One problem with ME refugges is the refusal to assimilate

[Airport]

It's been reported that the terrorist in France were 3rd generation muslims living in Europe. That they refuse to be assimilated into European customs. The women wear the head scarves, considered second class citizens and many of the areas practice their own form of law. This is going to be the problem that we will face in the generations to come. That is one problem that has not been discussed and probably not really known .

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

It's been reported that the terrorist in France were 3rd generation muslims living in Europe. That they refuse to be assimilated into European customs. The women wear the head scarves, considered second class citizens and many of the areas practice their own form of law. This is going to be the problem that we will face in the generations to come. That is one problem that has not been discussed and probably not really known .

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American ... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag ... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language ... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

I agree that if an immigrant comes to America, he should assimilate to our culture. that doesn't mean he ignores his culture of birth. I grew up in a small coal mining/lumber town where there was a big influx of Italians back in the 1910s-20s. Many didn't speak English. But they learned it. I knew many of these folks growing up with a thick Italian accent. They became American and fought for the US in WWII-some in Italy. But these folks kept their own heritage alive in the food they ate, the social activities they enjoyed and the religion they practiced. There was no Catholic Church (or hospital) until the Italians arrived.

Today we see the same thing with many of our mexican/latin immigrants. The US military is made up of a very large proportion of soldiers of Hispanic descent. They have brought their culture to the US but are willing to fight for their country. I'm sure there are many exceptions to immigrants assimilating. But the premise has always been the same-people come here looking for a better life. It's what we've always stood for. But today, thanks in large part for the wingnuts' hatred of our President, there is a wave of xenophobia sweeping the US-and fueled by the usual suspects. Granted, with the risk of terrorists disguising themselves as immigrants to enter the US, we need to do our due diligence. But the pants shitting by the wingnuts over this is unAmerican.

 

[rog1187]

Granted, with the risk of terrorists disguising themselves as immigrants to enter the US, we need to do our due diligence. But the pants shitting by the wingnuts over this is unAmerican.

LOL...you act like this is a first-time issue/experience...same thing happened with Jewish and German refugees in the late 1930's...in fact, I believe FDR turned away at least one ship of refugees because of security concerns. Americans have been cautious of and expressed concern of mass political refugees in the past...any rightfully so.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

LOL...you act like this is a first-time issue/experience...same thing happened with Jewish and German refugees in the late 1930's...in fact, I believe FDR turned away at least one ship of refugees because of security concerns. Americans have been cautious of and expressed concern of mass political refugees in the past...any rightfully so.

FDR also locked up a bunch of Americans of Japanese descent. He **** his pants too, at times.

 

[rog1187]

FDR also locked up a bunch of Americans of Japanese descent. He **** his pants too, at times.

So is it un-American...or is it what Americans have done in the past in the face of different/unique times and circumstances?

 

[bornaneer]

I agree that if an immigrant comes to America, he should assimilate to our culture. that doesn't mean he ignores his culture of birth. I grew up in a small coal mining/lumber town where there was a big influx of Italians back in the 1910s-20s. Many didn't speak English. But they learned it. I knew many of these folks growing up with a thick Italian accent. They became American and fought for the US in WWII-some in Italy. But these folks kept their own heritage alive in the food they ate, the social activities they enjoyed and the religion they practiced. There was no Catholic Church (or hospital) until the Italians arrived.

Are you one of those who calls them "I...talians" instead of "Italians"? Since I am half Italian, I know a little about those kind of folks. My other half is Austrian and I also know a little about the folks I grew up with who called my Austrian Grandparents (who raised me) "dem foreigners" because their last name was not Allen.Smith or Jones. I do remember one thing about all those idiots....they were all good Democrats.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

So is it un-American...or is it what Americans have done in the past in the face of different/unique times and circumstances?

I find it somewhat ironic and certainly hypocritical, that the wingnuts-many evangelical christians-have very little compassion for the people fleeing for their lives from Syria. I'm sure a lot of it is because most of these people are muslims. I heard a talking head -on Fox I think- make the statement that the only reason Obama wants to let them in is because most muslims are democrats and they'll vote democrat. I'm sure there is a lot of that sentiment among these kooks who often talk about our country's "judeo-Christian values" . Maybe these morons need to look at their WWJD bracelets and truly think about it.

 

[Keyser76]

The right doesn't like diversity, that is why they like to eat at The Olden Corral, whoops, I meant Golden, lol

 

[Airport]

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American ... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag ... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language ... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

I agree that if an immigrant comes to America, he should assimilate to our culture. that doesn't mean he ignores his culture of birth. I grew up in a small coal mining/lumber town where there was a big influx of Italians back in the 1910s-20s. Many didn't speak English. But they learned it. I knew many of these folks growing up with a thick Italian accent. They became American and fought for the US in WWII-some in Italy. But these folks kept their own heritage alive in the food they ate, the social activities they enjoyed and the religion they practiced. There was no Catholic Church (or hospital) until the Italians arrived.

Today we see the same thing with many of our mexican/latin immigrants. The US military is made up of a very large proportion of soldiers of Hispanic descent. They have brought their culture to the US but are willing to fight for their country. I'm sure there are many exceptions to immigrants assimilating. But the premise has always been the same-people come here looking for a better life. It's what we've always stood for. But today, thanks in large part for the wingnuts' hatred of our President, there is a wave of xenophobia sweeping the US-and fueled by the usual suspects. Granted, with the risk of terrorists disguising themselves as immigrants to enter the US, we need to do our due diligence. But the pants shitting by the wingnuts over this is unAmerican.

In the past, immigrants had to have sponsors who would take care of them. The immigrants needed to have a skill so they wouldn't be a burden on the tax payers of the US. That is not being adhered to now. I do not see the assimilation as a big problem with most ethnicities but the Muslims do not want to assimilate into becoming Americans or Europeans. For that reason alone, we need due diligence. No wanting due diligence is not un-American, asking the tax payers of the US to pay for all this welfare is un-American. It is not in the consititution that we have to take care of everybody.

 

[Airport]

I find it somewhat ironic and certainly hypocritical, that the wingnuts-many evangelical christians-have very little compassion for the people fleeing for their lives from Syria. I'm sure a lot of it is because most of these people are muslims. I heard a talking head -on Fox I think- make the statement that the only reason Obama wants to let them in is because most muslims are democrats and they'll vote democrat. I'm sure there is a lot of that sentiment among these kooks who often talk about our country's "judeo-Christian values" . Maybe these morons need to look at their WWJD bracelets and truly think about it.

It is not our fault that there are the problems in Syria and it is not our responsibility to resettle them here. Americans help, we need to find a way to help them over there. This type of mass exodus will bite the other countries in the ***. I'm all for creating some sort of safe zone over there, we need to convince arab countries to do their part, but bringing them here will cause long term problems that will not become evident for several generations.

 

[bornaneer]

The right doesn't like diversity, that is why they like to eat at The Olden Corral, whoops, I meant Golden, lol

Not so fast my friend...... I disagree. Many folks have gained some semblance of understanding a second language at the "Olden Corral".

 

[Airport]

The right doesn't like diversity, that is why they like to eat at The Olden Corral, whoops, I meant Golden, lol

How did diversity work out for the European countries? You are stupid if you think it is a positive experience over there. I have many friends who have traveled to paris, they are told time and again by taxi drivers and guides to stay out of the Muslim section. Wonder why? Too much fun for and individual to handle? WE need to limit how many are allowed to come here and where.

 

[rog1187]

I find it somewhat ironic and certainly hypocritical, that the wingnuts-many evangelical christians-have very little compassion for the people fleeing for their lives from Syria. I'm sure a lot of it is because most of these people are muslims. I heard a talking head -on Fox I think- make the statement that the only reason Obama wants to let them in is because most muslims are democrats and they'll vote democrat. I'm sure there is a lot of that sentiment among these kooks who often talk about our country's "judeo-Christian values" . Maybe these morons need to look at their WWJD bracelets and truly think about it.

So now you're changing course on the subject from un-American to un-Christian...maybe not a lot of Christians are making it because their heads have been separated from their bodys. Haven't heard the the "they'll vote democrat" reason...I just think he's making a knee jerk decision without thinking it through.

 

[bornaneer]

How did diversity work out for the European countries? You are stupid if you think it is a positive experience over there. I have many friends who have traveled to paris, they are told time and again by taxi drivers and guides to stay out of the Muslim section. Wonder why? Too much fun for and individual to handle? WE need to limit how many are allowed to come here and where.

How about that cesspool of a city...... Brussels?

 

[op2]

There's a big difference between how well Muslim assimilate in Europe and in the US. They assimilate a lot better here.

Some people always look for a way to say the US is better so they can chant "We're Number One!" Well here's your chance. US culture is far superior to European culture when it comes to assimilating different people, making them feel a part of American culture instead of separate from it and contributing parts of their own culture to American culture in the process, thereby enriching American culture.

 

[easy91_rivals]

The one female terrorist who blew herself up in France seemed to have assimilated pretty well; prior to killing herself, she liked to drink, smoke, had lots of casual boyfriends, never wore a head scarf until a month ago, liked to take selfies, loved facebook, wore cowboy hats, didn't read the Quran too much, and liked KFC.

 

[TarHeelEer]

I agree that if an immigrant comes to America, he should assimilate to our culture. that doesn't mean he ignores his culture of birth. I grew up in a small coal mining/lumber town where there was a big influx of Italians back in the 1910s-20s. Many didn't speak English. But they learned it. I knew many of these folks growing up with a thick Italian accent. They became American and fought for the US in WWII-some in Italy. But these folks kept their own heritage alive in the food they ate, the social activities they enjoyed and the religion they practiced. There was no Catholic Church (or hospital) until the Italians arrived.

51% of AMERICAN Muslims would trade Constitution for sharia law

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

51% of AMERICAN Muslims would trade Constitution for sharia law

I didn't look at the link or source. But I'd bet 100% of evangelicals in this country think scripture trumps our Constitution.

 

[TarHeelEer]

I didn't look at the link or source. But I'd bet 100% of evangelicals in this country think scripture trumps our Constitution.

I'm one of those. However, I wouldn't change our law to match scripture. Quite the opposite.

 

[Airport]

I didn't look at the link or source. But I'd bet 100% of evangelicals in this country think scripture trumps our Constitution.

You are full of it. Christians are not the problem in this world. ONLY FOR THOSE WHO THINK THAT THEY ARE BEING JUDGED BECAUSE OF THEIR LIFE STYLE. Christians don't care what you do as long as you don't force your beliefs on them.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

I'm one of those. However, I wouldn't change our law to match scripture. Quite the opposite.

So you'd change our laws to oppose scripture?

 

[Airport]

So you'd change our laws to oppose scripture?

Our country was founded on Judea Christian principles.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

. Christians don't care what you do as long as you don't force your beliefs on them.

I'm not sure where to start, the many examples of christians caring about what you do, or the fact that today's wingnuts want to force their religion on all of us in many facets of life.

If christians cared about these syrian kids who were washing up on beaches as much as they cared about a fetus, the world might be a better place.

 

[Airport]

You are compring apples to oranges. Church charities do far more good than all the tax money stolen by our govt. Christians do care about both. That's where you are wrong. We think that a fetus, at least one that is 20 weeks old as I do, deserve the change to make it to three years of age. We can't save the world. We owe to the world to stay viable to fight bad wherever it may be.

 

[Airport]

I'm not sure where to start, the many examples of christians caring about what you do, or the fact that today's wingnuts want to force their religion on all of us in many facets of life.

If christians cared about these syrian kids who were washing up on beaches as much as they cared about a fetus, the world might be a better place.

The Christians, as I do, think that marriage is a biblical term and should stay as it was intended, between a man and a woman. That doesn't mean that gays can't have a civil union for all the benefits that are given to married couples. It seems that atheists are only concerned with marriage. What else is there that seems to drive the needle?

 

[Keyser76]

You are compring apples to oranges. Church charities do far more good than all the tax money stolen by our govt. Christians do care about both. That's where you are wrong. We think that a fetus, at least one that is 20 weeks old as I do, deserve the change to make it to three years of age. We can't save the world. We owe to the world to stay viable to fight bad wherever it may be.

The good Churches, not the crazy ones, Lol. Make this a Christian Nation and watch the fights between the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians and Fundies fly. Christians are no more a homogenous group than are Muslims, but hey, ya gotta scare the rubes who have never had a Passport or ridden in a cab in New York City.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

You are compring apples to oranges. Church charities do far more good than all the tax money stolen by our govt. Christians do care about both. That's where you are wrong. We think that a fetus, at least one that is 20 weeks old as I do, deserve the change to make it to three years of age. We can't save the world. We owe to the world to stay viable to fight bad wherever it may be.

I agree many churches do great charity work. But I drive by several churches every day that look like a theme park with movie theatres, fitness centers, swimming pools, private schools, field turf football fields, grass practice fields,.....Imagine if these "churches" would put the tax-free millions they make and spend to impress potential new members (who will then give them more money to spend on these opulent accoutrements) toward charity. Imagine.

 

[Airport]

The good Churches, not the crazy ones, Lol. Make this a Christian Nation and watch the fights between the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians and Fundies fly. Christians are no more a homogenous group than are Muslims, but hey, ya gotta scare the rubes who have never had a Passport or ridden in a cab in New York City.

I've been a member of the Methodist Baptist and a not sure what type of church but they all believe in pretty much the same thing. Somebody to make that statement that you did tells me you are pretty much ignorant of church matters. Chritians don't ask you to recite the bible or they will kill you. In fact, they don't kill you at all. you are the real rube.

 

[Airport]

I agree many churches do great charity work. But I drive by several churches every day that look like a theme park with movie theatres, fitness centers, swimming pools, private schools, field turf football fields, grass practice fields,.....Imagine if these "churches" would put the tax-free millions they make and spend to impress potential new members (who will then give them more money to spend on these opulent accoutrements) toward charity. Imagine.

I'm for a tax on consumption, churches would not be exempt and neither would foeign nationals or anybody here. Everybody would pay.

 

[bornaneer]

The good Churches, not the crazy ones, Lol. Make this a Christian Nation and watch the fights between the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians and Fundies fly. Christians are no more a homogenous group than are Muslims, but hey, ya gotta scare the rubes who have never had a Passport or ridden in a cab in New York City.

Suggestion, next time in NYC, use the Black cars. Much better than the cabs.

 

[TarHeelEer]

So you'd change our laws to oppose scripture?

Didn't say that either. The United States isn't a Christian nation. Only way to change that is not to impose Christian law on US citizens, not the other way around.

 

[TarHeelEer]

I'm not sure where to start, the many examples of christians caring about what you do, or the fact that today's wingnuts want to force their religion on all of us in many facets of life.

If christians cared about these syrian kids who were washing up on beaches as much as they cared about a fetus, the world might be a better place.

Or if liberals cared about both equally.

 

[easy91_rivals]

Who is the model of your brand of conservatism? Who do you think is the ideal conservative?

 

[TarHeelEer]

Who is the model of your brand of conservatism? Who do you think is the ideal conservative?

If you're talking to me, I don't model myself after anyone, but Jesus. Now go and sin no more.

 

[Popeer]

Our country was founded on Judea Christian principles.

No, it wasn't, and anyone who says it was either doesn't understand American history or can't distinguish between the establishment of certain colonies such as Plymouth and Maryland, and the founding of the nation. This country was founded on the principle that your belief or non-belief was between you and your god, and no business of the government how, or even whether, you worshipped that god. The founders were men who knew the history of religious persecution in England, and the religious test to hold public office. They believed so strongly in what we now call separation of church and state that they made it the first sentence of the First Amendment.

 

[Airport]

No, it wasn't, and anyone who says it was either doesn't understand American history or can't distinguish between the establishment of certain colonies such as Plymouth and Maryland, and the founding of the nation. This country was founded on the principle that your belief or non-belief was between you and your god, and no business of the government how, or even whether, you worshipped that god. The founders were men who knew the history of religious persecution in England, and the religious test to hold public office. They believed so strongly in what we now call separation of church and state that they made it the first sentence of the First Amendment.

Again, it was the freedom from state sponsored religion. There is no separation of church and state as you have been led to believe. You are free to worship as you see fit, the state can not impose a religion on you. Unlike in Iran or some of the other muslim countries where there is only Islam, Sharia law, or death. There is no separation of church and state per se in the constitution.

 

[easy91_rivals]

So if the words "separation of church and state" are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution, then there is no protection of governmental interference with religion? Isn't the Supreme Court vested with interpreting the law?

 

[easy91_rivals]

It seems that to some people, if the words don't explicitly appear in the constitution then the idea they refer to isn't constitutionally guaranteed. Viewing it in these simplistic terms is meant to dismiss the entire argument; as if every decision based on the separation of church and state is somehow invalid because the term separation of church and state doesn't appear in the constitution.

Of course the problems with this assertion are many. First and most basic is the fact that the Supreme Court is the ultimate interpreter of federal constitutional law. This means that while the term "separation of Church and State" may never appear in the constitution itself, the Court ruling in the case of Everson v. Board of Education stated "the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'"

 

[easy91_rivals]

That would also mean that ownership of guns for self defense and a right to a public defender would also not be guaranteed by the Constitution.

 

[easy91_rivals]

Thomas Jefferson said "The constitution, on this hypothesis, is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist, and shape into any form they please." Over the past 200 years the Supreme Court has shaped the constitution to contain a clear separation of church and state that protects every religion equally.