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Oh so waiting until the day after the election to announce it was ready made a difference? You are shifting all over the place when things are presented to make you look foolish.

dear god, the context of that was when trump was pushing for an October approval... he didn’t get it.
 

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Very proud of our Governor. Andy Beshear is a tremendous ambassador for our state and maintains a strong overwhelming approval rating within the state where he will clearly sweep his way into an easy reelection.

Here's a picture of our Governor setting an appropriate example for our people instead of the reckless way the Republicans have disregarded CDC guidelines with their risky behavior:



It's okay if you want to print that picture and hang it on your wall at home or place it in other high visibility areas to set a good example for your family, coworkers, and people you care about. Perhaps your neighbors would also like to look at the picture for inspiration so I encourage you to share it as a sign of hope for the New Year. With the Biden vaccine rolling out, I think we all will have a much better year ahead.
Why aren’t cases going down? They have been going up with the mask mandate in place.
 
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First off I haven't even been offered the vaccine so why are you saying I am fear mongering? I was talking about medical workers at our local hospital. I work in a line of work that isn't considered an "essential worker" even though if those in my industry didn't show up for work the economy would have crashed. I have had to go to work every day since the virus started but will be one of the last given the choice to take it.

Second, it is quite comical that you would call people who don't want to take the vaccine fear mongering when some have hid in their basement for 9 months afraid to stick their head out because of a virus that a large percentage of people recover from. As a matter of a fact less people, even among the elderly or those with underlying conditions, are dying because Doctors are figuring out how to treat it according to this article.

If you want to take it more power to you and when it is offered to me I may or may not take it. However it is my choice and your opinion of what I choose matters none to me just like my opinion of what you choose does to you. I don't get why people think their opinion is the right one and anyone who doesn't think like they do are wrong or fear mongering.

We're well past short-term for the test subjects & well into short-term for 5M injectees. So the short-term effects are known by now.

You can define long-term however you like - 3 mo/6 mo/10 years. People were injected 9 months ago with no life changing effects. Good enough that any longer-term event risks are low enough for me to take those risks. And I will come Feb. Go on fear-mongering all you like.
 
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Death is a "side effect" for a very small percentage and how do you know for certain that a side effect of the vaccine isn't death in the short, intermediate or long term? It seems you want to have your opinion on if it should be taken or trusted but nobody else can have a differing opinion. What part of the medical field are you in? I trust you are since your opinion is that much more valuable than doctors and nurses who work in a hospital.

I'm sorry, please show me where vaccines given today kill anybody?
 
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Please show me where I said it does. I only stated that those I have spoken to didn't take it because they felt we don't know the intermediate or long term effects of any vaccine that has been created and rushed out so quickly and may not know for years. Ranitidine was prescribed to millions who were taking it daily for years only for it to be determined it caused cancer and taken off the shelf recently.

I'm sorry, please show me where vaccines given today kill anybody?
 
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Why aren’t cases going down? They have been going up with the mask mandate in place.
I work in a medcall facility. Part of my job is screening people who come in. Half don’t wear the mask right, rendering it pointless to even wear. Mandate is only as good as the compliance.

Most want to get right on top of you instead of standing at least six feet back, which further reduces effectiveness of wearing a mask.

At least once a day I have to turn away a person who tested positive and is ignoring quarantine protocols.

Additionally at least once a day I have to turn away someone who has been in close contact with a person who tested positive, instead of getting tested and quarantining like a responsible adult, the just continue on with their life as usual.

Several times a day I turn back a patient who has several COVID symptoms but they haven’t gone anywhere to be tested until we refer them to the hospital to get tested. Lord knows how many people they had given COVID too because they are acting irresponsibly.

Cases are going to continue to spread as long as people keep acting selfish, irresponsible, and with no regard for anyone’s life.
 
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My mother in-law got hers this AM. She had a 3 1/2 hour wait at the Bristol Motor Speedway. They shifted it to there and the Kingsport Civic Center after the Sullivan Co Health Department was overwhelmed earlier this week. So far, my in-laws, niece and daughter who work in health care have gotten them and had no side effects. We'll get ours as soon as we are eligible.
 
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I will be in the Elizabethton area Saturday for a wedding. Hopefully all those COVID shots haven't turned it into a Walking Dead episode. I am just joking but I am really hoping they don't get a huge snow so I can make it down.

My mother in-law got hers this AM. She had a 3 1/2 hour wait at the Bristol Motor Speedway. They shifted it to there and the Kingsport Civic Center after the Sullivan Co Health Department was overwhelmed earlier this week. So far, my in-laws, niece and daughter who work in health care have gotten them and had no side effects. We'll get ours as soon as we are eligible.
 
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Why aren’t cases going down? They have been going up with the mask mandate in place.

Anybody who follows this stuff knows that most of the new cases are coming from family spread and social gathering spread where protocols aren't followed. We (people in general) just had two straight weeks of family and social gatherings. it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know that is what accelerated the current spread. As we get back into our normal routines and do less family gatherings and social gatherings cases will drop and they'll drop pretty quickly.
 
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First off I haven't even been offered the vaccine so why are you saying I am fear mongering? I was talking about medical workers at our local hospital. I work in a line of work that isn't considered an "essential worker" even though if those in my industry didn't show up for work the economy would have crashed. I have had to go to work every day since the virus started but will be one of the last given the choice to take it.

Second, it is quite comical that you would call people who don't want to take the vaccine fear mongering when some have hid in their basement for 9 months afraid to stick their head out because of a virus that a large percentage of people recover from. As a matter of a fact less people, even among the elderly or those with underlying conditions, are dying because Doctors are figuring out how to treat it according to this article.

If you want to take it more power to you and when it is offered to me I may or may not take it. However it is my choice and your opinion of what I choose matters none to me just like my opinion of what you choose does to you. I don't get why people think their opinion is the right one and anyone who doesn't think like they do are wrong or fear mongering.
Here's the fear-mongering; i.e., highlight all those that are refusing to take one while ignoring its benefits:

"The only issue was only about 25-35% of the folks eligible wanted to take it. Some of the ones who I have spoken with who didn't take it said it was just due to the fact there is no way it could have been tested to the same standards most other medicines reach and therefor no way to know all the short or long term side effects."

Repeating myself since you didn't get the message the first time, it's past time to know all the short time effects because short-term is long over. At this point, the only reason to make that statement is to scare or from fear.

And of course you can't know all long-term effects until long term is here, but it's been long enough now to know they're low & not nearly as bad as the those of the virus itself for a higher number by far. The " large percentage of people recover from" is a way smaller than the those permanently impacted by the vaccine. The media would be all over any quantity of adverse vaccine effects. Net, the cure isn't nearly as bad as the disease.

Hiding from the virus is way the opposite of hiding from the vaccine. No reason to compare the two.

I agree anyone can agree to take it or not. That's way different than highlighting irrational behaviors.
 

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Please show me where I said it does. I only stated that those I have spoken to didn't take it because they felt we don't know the intermediate or long term effects of any vaccine that has been created and rushed out so quickly and may not know for years. Ranitidine was prescribed to millions who were taking it daily for years only for it to be determined it caused cancer and taken off the shelf recently.
Here: "Death is a "side effect" for a very small percentage and how do you know for certain that a side effect of the vaccine isn't death in the short, intermediate or long term? "

For crap sakes, it's too late for the vaccines' effect to be death in the short term. Short term is past. And somehow 9 months of data for some test subjects isn't good enough for you to think it's not a problem into the future, especially when the virus is known to be not only for those it kills but for more who have long-term health effects from it. I mean it's 100% certain the virus kills or hurts some people.

You're an irrational trip.
 

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I will be in the Elizabethton area Saturday for a wedding. Hopefully all those COVID shots haven't turned it into a Walking Dead episode. I am just joking but I am really hoping they don't get a huge snow so I can make it down.

We got back home to Florida yesterday evening. It was 76 here today and 38 in Kingsport. They are supposed to get 6-10 inches of snow on Roan Mtn tonight and tomorrow. Elizabethton is supposed to get 2-5 inches. I don't know what your definition of huge snow is, but 2-5 inches there can be a fairly big deal, depending on if you live in the county or city.
 

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Death is a "side effect" for a very small percentage and how do you know for certain that a side effect of the vaccine isn't death in the short, intermediate or long term? It seems you want to have your opinion on if it should be taken or trusted but nobody else can have a differing opinion. What part of the medical field are you in? I trust you are since your opinion is that much more valuable than doctors and nurses who work in a hospital.

Dude, that is a ****** response no matter how you look at it. I didn't question you much less your opinion.

The vaccine is for the small percentage and those that come into contact with that small percentage. Those people refusing to take it are putting the high risk in danger.
 
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We got back home to Florida yesterday evening. It was 76 here today and 38 in Kingsport. They are supposed to get 6-10 inches of snow on Roan Mtn tonight and tomorrow. Elizabethton is supposed to get 2-5 inches. I don't know what your definition of huge snow is, but 2-5 inches there can be a fairly big deal, depending on if you live in the county or city.

2-5 inches in elizabethtown, kY? What forecast are you looking at?
 
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CDC today; Vaccines risk of anaphylactic shock is 1/90K injections or 0.0011%. And no one has died of it.

Risk of Covid: about 1 in 3 people so far in US. Number of deaths (unless you want to start into the tired routine of over-counts): 375K or 375K/110M infections = 0.3%. So covid death risk is about 300x of AS risk. Net, keep telling yourself you don't want to risk the vaccine & thus be irrational.
 
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I can't wait for Biden to take over so you can then blame him for people still dying under his watch or will all deaths after that still be Trumps fault? I mean Joe does have a plan and should have it turned around in no time right?
Come on man............he isn't going to tell us about his plan that he has bragged about till he gets sworn in........if he had such a great F'king plan why didn't he share his idea when he first said he had it..............back in August........that says that every one that has died since he made this statement......then their deaths are on his hands....
 

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Our small rural hospital was given 100 doses to start out. They were administered to our local emergency personnel, hospital employees, doctors offices, etc until they were all gone. The only issue was only about 25-35% of the folks eligible wanted to take it. Some of the ones who I have spoken with who didn't take it said it was just due to the fact there is no way it could have been tested to the same standards most other medicines reach and therefor no way to know all the short or long term side effects.
and they would know about the testing procedures how...........what was eliminated in the process was the information sitting on someone's desk for weeks waiting for a signature........the beuracats were made to do their job in real time........not the usual two year path to approval.....the old hurry up and wait government approach......
 

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I'm sorry, please show me where vaccines given today kill anybody?
I had two friends who had Gillian-Barre from getting the flu shot......on died from the paralysis.......the second got test treatments of blood cleansing and is back about 90% pre-flu shot.......the federal government has a $250K limit on lawsuits stemming from this...
 
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I had two friends who had Gillian-Barre from getting the flu shot......on died from the paralysis.......the second got test treatments of blood cleansing and is back about 90% pre-flu shot.......the federal government has a $250K limit on lawsuits stemming from this...

uh huh. 100,000 peopleget Gillian barre. Rarely are cases attributable to vaccines. No way you have two friends who’ve had it.
 
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Here: "Death is a "side effect" for a very small percentage and how do you know for certain that a side effect of the vaccine isn't death in the short, intermediate or long term? "

For crap sakes, it's too late for the vaccines' effect to be death in the short term. Short term is past. And somehow 9 months of data for some test subjects isn't good enough for you to think it's not a problem into the future, especially when the virus is known to be not only for those it kills but for more who have long-term health effects from it. I mean it's 100% certain the virus kills or hurts some people.

You're an irrational trip.

Again where did I say it did kill people? I said in the very quote you included "how do you know for certain that a side effect of the vaccine isn't death in the short, intermediate or long term". I guess if 9 months from beginning to rolling it out the door isn't short term for you then you must be going to live forever. For me 9 months is pretty short. Man some of you guys either have selective comprehension or no comprehension skills at all.
 

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uh huh. 100,000 peopleget Gillian barre. Rarely are cases attributable to vaccines. No way you have two friends who’ve had it.
You are right......Sam died from the Gillian Barre.......so I don't have two friends......I have one friend that is alive and the other passed......*******
 

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Not saying Biden is going to be doing right thing or not, but he says he's going to release all doses in inventory immediately vs. holding half to assure a 2nd shot is available to those who got one shot as is being done now - as I understand. He believes there will be enough ongoing production now to assure that. OK.

BUT, only 7M doses of 22M released so far have been injected according to the data sources I see. So how is releasing more doses going to increase the rate of injections? Seems focus needs to be on injection rates vs. doses release to me. Also, will the refrigeration/freezer space & quality be available to handle the extra doses received by users but not injected?
 
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Not saying Biden is going to be doing right thing or not, but he says he's going to release all doses in inventory immediately vs. holding half to assure a 2nd shot is available to those who got one shot as is being done now - as I understand. He believes there will be enough ongoing production now to assure that. OK.

BUT, only 7M doses of 22M released so far have been injected according to the data sources I see. So how is releasing more doses going to increase the rate of injections? Seems focus needs to be on injection rates vs. doses release to me. Also, will the refrigeration/freezer space & quality be available to handle the extra doses received by users but not injected?

Only reason you release all the doses is if
You open it up to a much larger group
 

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Only reason you release all the doses is if
You open it up to a much larger group
I think that's what he's saying, still BUT, WTF good does it do if you don't inject more folks faster? We could have enough for 2 shots for everyone right now & what would it matter?
 
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I think that's what he's saying, still BUT, WTF good does it do if you don't inject more folks faster? We could have enough for 2 shots for everyone right now & what would it matter?

The reason they’re going out so slow is because the groups eligible are so narrow and of those groups fewer are willing to take it than anticipated. That’s why it’s going so slow. If you open it up to more groups you don’t have to search for people to take it
 
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The reason they’re going out so slow is because the groups eligible are so narrow and of those groups fewer are willing to take it than anticipated. That’s why it’s going so slow. If you open it up to more groups you don’t have to search for people to take it
Disagree. I don't think injectors are standing around with needles in their hand waiting to inject anything that comes by.

More so I think, states weren't prepared with locations & high numbers of injectors when the vaccines came out. If true, it's an issue I can't understand other than that government is involved. They knew it was coming.
 
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Disagree. I don't think injectors are standing around with needles in their hand waiting to inject anything that comes by.

More so I think, states weren't prepared with locations & high numbers of injectors when the vaccines came out. If true, it's an issue I can't understand other than that government is involved. They knew it was coming.

I am correct. Our health department and hospital is spending a significant amount of time trying to convince first responders, nursing home workers etc.. to take it. Have heard this from multiple people and it’s not unique to here.
Do we need to allow veterinarians, md offices and others to give it? Yes, but the bigger issue is that the groups allowed to take it are too narrow.

several counties in west Ky went against dr. Stack’s threats and opened it up to anybody over 70 and distributed all of their excess doses in 3 hours. Proof of what I’m saying.

two people, one doing paperwork and one giving the shot can administer 20 -30 Doses an hour. One every two- three minutes. 8 hour day... 200 per day. Two shifts. 50 people giving shots in Lexington. One group 7-3. Second group 3-11. You do the math. This isn’t the nightmare undertaking we’ve been led to believe. Once we get the nursing homes and healthcare workers we need to open it up to everybody .
 
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Had a tip on vaccine shot available today in Boone Cty. Rushed over but last ones had just been given. Glad they were all used.
That’s a good sign. We need to hear more about how you can’t get one (with supplies increasing) instead of “doses on shelves”
 

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You know (once more) how screwed up Gov is when Bloomberg knows that more doses have been injected (over 8M) than the CDC does (under 7m).
 

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It's time to by-pass the first responders first route, all that is doing is slowing things down and wasting doses. Open it to whoever wants to get the shot, that's the quickest way to treat the most people and slow this down.
 

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If you’re a giant ***** and scared of it, get out of the way and let me get it. It’s going to be late Spring or summer for me at this rate.
 
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