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pitinoshairplugs

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Andy admitted today that the state isn't vaccinating fast enough. Lot's of doses going unused. Again, every time we run into a predictable issue, we aren't prepared..

A. Testing - fails miserably
B. Unemployment (He made it worse by his draconian and unnecessary shutdown) - fails miserably
C. Vaccine deployment - fails miserably.

Talked to a health department official today who said they asked for permission to start phase 1b last Monday and they had not heard back from the state as of this morning.

Two questions.
A. Why do they have to ask for permission in the first place.
B. Why does it take a week to respond.

Turn the deployment of the vaccine over to the local health departments. Let them move as quickly as they can. Stop playing "lord of the rings".

What's even more pathetic is that the distribution of the vaccine should be the easiest in the country considering we are the hub for UPS and we are within a days drive from FEDEX.
 
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Get the vaccine into arms.

Stop trying to establish a pecking order as that will just delay things with the burden of trying to run it. People will naturally select themselves based on need. You can get the hospital workers and nursing homes by directly shipping them their own doses, but get everything else in the hands of Walgreens and CVS or wherever with orders to vaccinate everyone as fast as they walk in.

Get the shots in arms as fast as possible, period. When you need to vaccinate 330 million people you don't put some kind of nutty screening process on top of that or you wind up with something impossible to manage. Just get the shots in arms.
 
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nom de plume said:
Get the vaccine into arms.

Stop trying to establish a pecking order as that will just delay things with the burden of trying to run it. People will naturally select themselves based on need. You can get the hospital workers and nursing homes by directly shipping them their own doses, but get everything else in the hands of Walgreens and CVS or wherever with orders to vaccinate everyone as fast as they walk in.

Get the shots in arms as fast as possible, period. When you need to vaccinate 330 million people you don't put some kind of nutty screening process on top of that or you wind up with something impossible to manage. Just get the shots in arms.
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There isn’t enough supply yet to do that roll out plan.
 
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Sullivan Co , TN is a clusterf**k. They are taking 75+ year old now. My MIL was on the phone trying to get through to the health department to schedule an appointment, hitting redial for nearly 5 hours before finally getting a recording to leave her name and number for a callback that she still hasn't gotten.
 
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goukcatsgo said:
That's not true. 20,000,000 doses are in the hands of providers right now that haven't been given. Some health departments are ignoring the state's micromanaging and opening it up to anybody over 70 years ago. Good for them.
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20,000,000 isn’t 330,000,000. 20,000,000 is only enough to cover 10,000,000 people since it’s a two-dose vaccine
 
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wildcatsboston1984 said:
20,000,000 isn’t 330,000,000. 20,000,000 is only enough to cover 10,000,000 people since it’s a two-dose vaccine
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No ****. Why hasn't it been deployed yet? Because of the freaking government has it's clamps on it.

We have the supply to vaccinate 2,000,000 a day on the first round of shots right now. Then we can go to 1,000,000 new and 1,000,000 second shots a day after that.

Watch the Gotlieb comment. It's 35,000,000 doses on shelves right now with 50,000,000 more in January hitting the shelves. That's 85,000,000 doses that we could give between now the end of this month. We should be injecting 2,000,00 a day. By January 15th I'd just open it up to anybody over 40.
 
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Crankdatmustard said:
Johnson and Johnson will apply for EAU first of Feb. That will be the game changer to end the pandemic. 1 shot dosage and they can MFG doses like no other company in the world.
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Yep, even more reason to not be choking these 2 dose shots off. People are going to want the jnj version because it's one dose from a name everybody trusts.
 
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Crankdatmustard said:
Johnson and Johnson will apply for EAU first of Feb. That will be the game changer to end the pandemic. 1 shot dosage and they can MFG doses like no other company in the world.
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Great news! So that means likely by end of February the J&J vaccine is going to start being given out, I would think.
 
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Also the JJ vaccine does not need to be stored at ridiculous temps which have caused logistical nightmares.

It can be stored at -4 F, or very close to that of anything that is in your freezer currently.
 
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Crankdatmustard said:
Also the JJ vaccine does not need to be stored at ridiculous temps which have caused logistical nightmares.

It can be stored at -4 F, or very close to that of anything that is in your freezer currently.
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the logistics really haven't been that much of a nightmare. The doses are sitting in spots right now where they can be given. It's just that they thought the demand would be much greater.
 
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goukcatsgo said:
the logistics really haven't been that much of a nightmare. The doses are sitting in spots right now where they can be given. It's just that they thought the demand would be much greater.
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It was a nightmare as they spent several weeks game planning how they would transport and maintain good product doses.

The EUA could have been asked for earlier if not for these obstacles and testing "mock shipments"
 
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goukcatsgo said:
That's not true. 20,000,000 doses are in the hands of providers right now that haven't been given. Some health departments are ignoring the state's micromanaging and opening it up to anybody over 70 years ago. Good for them.
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I listened to a report on why the vaccine rollout has been slow. It mostly pointed toward a strained health system that is bogged down with testing, tracing, phone calls, etc... It seems clear that micromanaging the vaccine is slowing everything down.

I know that providers are trying to hold back the second dose. That seems unnecessary if you know that more is coming.
 
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UKGrad93 said:
I listened to a report on why the vaccine rollout has been slow. It mostly pointed toward a strained health system that is bogged down with testing, tracing, phone calls, etc... It seems clear that micromanaging the vaccine is slowing everything down.

I know that providers are trying to hold back the second dose. That seems unnecessary if you know that more is coming.
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The issue with the shots not getting out has nothing to do with holding back second doses. It has to do with the government putting so much constraint on how to issue it. Some health departments are pushing aside these constraints and going ahead and saying "anybody over 70 years old can get the vaccine at a first come/first serve basis". That's that how we need to do it...
 
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Crankdatmustard said:
Johnson and Johnson will apply for EAU first of Feb. That will be the game changer to end the pandemic. 1 shot dosage and they can MFG doses like no other company in the world.
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Where did you see this, by the way? I haven't been able to find anything official on this.
 
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UKGrad93 said:
I listened to a report on why the vaccine rollout has been slow. It mostly pointed toward a strained health system that is bogged down with testing, tracing, phone calls, etc... It seems clear that micromanaging the vaccine is slowing everything down.

I know that providers are trying to hold back the second dose. That seems unnecessary if you know that more is coming.
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How is testing people for it and working towards informing others they have been in contact with someone who tested for it micromanaging?
 
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Hundreds of thousands of dosages sitting there while people try to figure out how to organize who gets shots first. Dumb move that lacks a practical understanding of the situation. Stop trying to orderly line up 330 million people. Get shots in arms immediately. No doses should be sitting around. Better to vaccinate someone cutting ahead since everyone has to be vaccinated anyway. People that need it the most will get in line the most on average so just start rolling them out as fast as they are in your hands. There should be zero reason for vials to be sitting in warehouses.
 
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Our small rural hospital was given 100 doses to start out. They were administered to our local emergency personnel, hospital employees, doctors offices, etc until they were all gone. The only issue was only about 25-35% of the folks eligible wanted to take it. Some of the ones who I have spoken with who didn't take it said it was just due to the fact there is no way it could have been tested to the same standards most other medicines reach and therefor no way to know all the short or long term side effects.
 
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Creed Bratton said:
Our small rural hospital was given 100 doses to start out. They were administered to our local emergency personnel, hospital employees, doctors offices, etc until they were all gone. The only issue was only about 25-35% of the folks eligible wanted to take it. Some of the ones who I have spoken with who didn't take it said it was just due to the fact there is no way it could have been tested to the same standards most other medicines reach and therefor no way to know all the short or long term side effects.
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While Trump rushed everyone and hindered them in doing their jobs properly and turned a simple "put a mask on until we get a handle on this" into a national tragedy of epic proportions, I think we lucked out when Joe took office and assured the Pharmacy companies he was in control so go ahead and talk to your friends and neighbors and tell them to have full confidence in the new Biden vaccine instead of the old risky Trump version that was bungled from the start due to a scheduling conflict with his 300+ golf vacations.
 
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nom de plume said:
While Trump rushed everyone and hindered them in doing their jobs properly and turned a simple "put a mask on until we get a handle on this" into a national tragedy of epic proportions, I think we lucked out when Joe took office and assured the Pharmacy companies he was in control so go ahead and talk to your friends and neighbors and tell them to have full confidence in the new Biden vaccine instead of the old risky Trump version that was bungled from the start due to a scheduling conflict with his 300+ golf vacations.
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What in the hell are you talking about?
 
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Creed Bratton said:
Our small rural hospital was given 100 doses to start out. They were administered to our local emergency personnel, hospital employees, doctors offices, etc until they were all gone. The only issue was only about 25-35% of the folks eligible wanted to take it. Some of the ones who I have spoken with who didn't take it said it was just due to the fact there is no way it could have been tested to the same standards most other medicines reach and therefor no way to know all the short or long term side effects.
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"Due to the fact".

That's hilarious. Because, it's "Not a fact". It's actually a lie.
 
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What is a lie?
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here is no way it could have been tested to the same standards most other medicines reach and therefor no way to know all the short or long term side effects.

This entire sentence is a lie. The development was shorter due to the new technology, but the clinical trials were the same in terms of the length of time the trials take. They mashed phase 2&3 together, but that is irrelevant.
 
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Past vaccine disasters show why rushing a coronavirus vaccine now would be 'colossally stupid'

goukcatsgo said:
here is no way it could have been tested to the same standards most other medicines reach and therefor no way to know all the short or long term side effects.

This entire sentence is a lie. The development was shorter due to the new technology, but the clinical trials were the same in terms of the length of time the trials take. They mashed phase 2&3 together, but that is irrelevant.
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Creed Bratton said:
Our small rural hospital was given 100 doses to start out. They were administered to our local emergency personnel, hospital employees, doctors offices, etc until they were all gone. The only issue was only about 25-35% of the folks eligible wanted to take it. Some of the ones who I have spoken with who didn't take it said it was just due to the fact there is no way it could have been tested to the same standards most other medicines reach and therefor no way to know all the short or long term side effects.
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We're well past short-term for the test subjects & well into short-term for 5M injectees. So the short-term effects are known by now.

You can define long-term however you like - 3 mo/6 mo/10 years. People were injected 9 months ago with no life changing effects. Good enough that any longer-term event risks are low enough for me to take those risks. And I will come Feb. Go on fear-mongering all you like.
 
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nom de plume said:
While Trump rushed everyone and hindered them in doing their jobs properly and turned a simple "put a mask on until we get a handle on this" into a national tragedy of epic proportions, I think we lucked out when Joe took office and assured the Pharmacy companies he was in control so go ahead and talk to your friends and neighbors and tell them to have full confidence in the new Biden vaccine instead of the old risky Trump version that was bungled from the start due to a scheduling conflict with his 300+ golf vacations.
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One of your funniest. LOL.
 
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Creed Bratton said:
Our small rural hospital was given 100 doses to start out. They were administered to our local emergency personnel, hospital employees, doctors offices, etc until they were all gone. The only issue was only about 25-35% of the folks eligible wanted to take it. Some of the ones who I have spoken with who didn't take it said it was just due to the fact there is no way it could have been tested to the same standards most other medicines reach and therefor no way to know all the short or long term side effects.
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That's really stupid on their part. We know what the side effects of covid are, DEATH. Now compare that side effect to any of the scary side effects that anyone has dreamed up for vaccines and ask yourself which one is worse.
 
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Death is a "side effect" for a very small percentage and how do you know for certain that a side effect of the vaccine isn't death in the short, intermediate or long term? It seems you want to have your opinion on if it should be taken or trusted but nobody else can have a differing opinion. What part of the medical field are you in? I trust you are since your opinion is that much more valuable than doctors and nurses who work in a hospital.

JohnBlue_ said:
That's really stupid on their part. We know what the side effects of covid are, DEATH. Now compare that side effect to any of the scary side effects that anyone has dreamed up for vaccines and ask yourself which one is worse.
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