And dummies like @Gimmy and @RU Cheese thought we would be better off in the dying ACC rather than a Power 2 conference with a 100mm payout and the number 1 basketball recruiting class.
You can't teach stupid.
You can't teach stupid.
Oregon, Washington to Big Ten!
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Big 10 was predatory when it swooped USC and UCLA. That killed the Pac 12 in essence.
Would be similar if SEC swooped Ohio State and Michigan. Big 10 conference would still exist but for the most part - it lost its heart and soul.
Big 10 jumped at Oregon and Washington due to monopoly on late TV game slot for Friday / Saturday night games and both schools would have went to big 12 if big 10 invite didn’t happen.
Oh, no doubt at all. When they announced Was/Ore yesterday I half expected them to say they were paying for it by taking it from our share. Maybe Maryland too, since they had the misfortune of coming in with us.
I read on one outlet that the Ducks and Huskies were on the fence and leaning toward keeping the PAC alive until they saw how horrible the media rights deal was. That $20mm streaming only package sent everyone scrambling for the exits.
Say what? #1 recruiting class wow…I don’t pay attention to MBB as much anymore.
Is there such a thing as reverse bandwagon jumper lol. I paid a lot more attention to MBB when we weren’t good and now that we’re much better I’m out of touch haha.
Nonetheless, it’s always nice to see positive news and gives hope that football can become respectable too in the future.
Don't know if it has been said before (don't have enough time to read all 7 pages of this thread), but adding late night (Eastern) / prime time (Western) TV content was always key to the "next" teams to join the B1G. All of this talk about UNC, Miami or UVA simply didn't make any sense for the B1G network. Yes great schools that fit the mold (mostly), but not from a TV content perspective and for those of you who don't think it matters Google what Gene Smith the OSU AD said recently about expansion. It IS about TV content and yes of course you need to be AAU, big research U, yada yada yada, but the last thing the B1G needs are more teams in the Eastern or even Central time zones.
I think a more accurate way to describe it is the B1G was opportunistic when it grabbed USC and UCLA. USC wanted out for years, and if the B1G didn’t grab them, the SEC or B12 would have.
USC had an agreement with BIG that no other PAC12 schools were coming for a specified time period. No one expected the PAC12 to disintegrate with Big12 doing what they're doing thus changing some things obviously. I'd think even you could see that dynamic. This was not optimal for BIG but if those two go to Big12 and sign a GOR and the ACC holds, BIG loses here so they pivoted; smart move
UW makes less sense than RU for a variety of reasons but we're all smart enough to understand that
ND rumblings too as BIG talked to them too....shhh
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I don't think so either but my point was in response that if they do start cutting away, it's going to be about money. Most of the relationships that made the BIG the BIG are gone now
I'm more concerned with NIL, rev distribution rumblings around conferences, and now what FSU is doing as that could be the game changer to a lot of schools over the horizon. What the BIG is doing is briliant and akin to NFL lite and the league should command the most money. The key is to capture the right schools and markets such that no school will make as much going another route.
ND is not getting 70+mm from NBC, I said years ago that BIG is going to 20 at minimum
ND is not getting 70+mm from NBC, I said years ago that BIG is going to 20 at minimum
These Pike teams are a lot of fun to watch! And the talent Pike and staff are recruiting keeps getting better. This is a program you want to watch!
They added 5 or 6 schools this year, they a will add a bunch more next year and the year after that, soon enough u want be able to find a big university that isn’t AAU. And now that they have added South Florida, I am sure Florida Gulf Coast won’t be far behind . . .
I’m sure it is and I have tuned in a little here and there but bad things seem to happen when I do. Superstitious nut that I am when it comes to sports I’m like let them do better without me “cursing” them haha…so I pay attention a little from afar but not “too close” to keep the bad juju away lol.
Part of is that crazy reason and the other part is just life as I’ve gotten older and interest in a lot of sports has become non existent and CFB is mostly all I pay attention to now.
Another piggyback to this and creating a national unassailable super premium sports property is with regards to FSU and I’d guess whomever.
If the FSU PE news does come to fruition, which conference offers the most opportunity for returns to pay back any loans to their PE investors? Also as the PE firm which conference might you nudge FSU to in order to make sure you get the most returns from their media rights and commercial opportunities? I think the answer would be the B10 over the SEC.
Math doesn’t work, media partners don’t want them, they are out of luck.
B1G now has full content starting from pregame at 10 am EST and running until 1 am EST every Saturday. Throw in Friday nights — it is a dominant TV partner
For those not reading through the whole thread and not up on acronyms (me, but I got this one!), PE is "private equity," and this is a wild move by FSU. Screams of desperation to GTFO (I ASSume everyone knows that one) of the ACC ASAP, PDQ.
Florida State considering partnership with private equity firm in effort to raise capital, per report
The Seminoles are exploring all pathways to leave the ACC as revenue gaps grow
www.cbssports.com
I’m not a financial type so this is just a reaction, but this seems super risky…as in “if not fails, it will be a spectacular failure”
Well we need to win and win now so we can prove we belong. Basketball and our other sports are doing well but Football drives the bus
I'd spend your time worrying about Northwestern or Indiana.
Nah. If we win, great. If we don’t, B1G schools have a place to come to see their teams play in the biggest market in the world.
Rutgers winning or losing. Is irrelevant. It’s always the market.
Rutgers winning or losing. Is irrelevant. It’s always the market.
When Dylan commits we will have the #1 and #2 overall commits in the nation for 2024. Will actually be one of the top recruiting classes ever.
Time to get on board.
My memory is too long to forget how the ACC killed the Big East with raids on Miami, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Pitt and Syracuse. And how the BE's inept leadership let it happen while protecting its Catholic mid-majors. I hope the ACC gets pillaged by the B10 and SEC dies a slow painful death. They can join the Big East and play basketball with each other.
For those not reading through the whole thread and not up on acronyms (me, but I got this one!), PE is "private equity," and this is a wild move by FSU. Screams of desperation to GTFO (I ASSume everyone knows that one) of the ACC ASAP, PDQ.
Florida State considering partnership with private equity firm in effort to raise capital, per report
The Seminoles are exploring all pathways to leave the ACC as revenue gaps grow
Looks to me like that would be some up front cash from a long term rent seeker. Not sure it's a smart move.
It's interesting the main risk of breaking the GOR is FSU really doesn't know the downside. And that's not workable. But if there's a certain threshold - Say 100MM where they would jump to the BIG or SEC - partnering with an entity that can take that downside risk on with FSU giving up a decent return makes some sense. It's almost like litigation financing but in reverse - where it's plausible the ultimate payout to the ACC ends up not that sizable.For those not reading through the whole thread and not up on acronyms (me, but I got this one!), PE is "private equity," and this is a wild move by FSU. Screams of desperation to GTFO (I ASSume everyone knows that one) of the ACC ASAP, PDQ.
Florida State considering partnership with private equity firm in effort to raise capital, per report
The Seminoles are exploring all pathways to leave the ACC as revenue gaps grow
Yeah, it screams of desperation.
FSU had a great run under Bowden, then Fisher before he tanked, then they really tanked, and apparently, they are back on track.
Each of the 3 Thursday games were Labor Day opening weekend conference games, so the impact wasn’t the same as a typical Thursday.
PSU’s Friday games were September conference games. tOSU played NW.
After giving it a little thought, I would not expect a game involving tOSU, UM, or PSU at any of the 4 currently invited west coast teams to “fall” to whatever pecking order pick a potential late night Saturday game would have.
With the additional games added, I do wonder how things will shake out as far as how all the games will be broadcast. The marque games like tOSU/USC are mentioned, but what happens to a broadcast of PSU at Indiana or wave of early season OOC home games? The conference schedule is likely going to need to be more spread out.
GTFO.
It was their TV deal, ding dong.
If they were making more money, none of this is even being talked about.
The BIG was just there to benefit
This is nothing new for FSU
They've been the underdog for as long as I can remember, not being co-ed until 1947
Brief recap
UF refuses to play them - governor steps in, mandates they play every year (first 7 game in Hogtown)
Money from state - UF reps would hold it up in legislature to FSU even though capital is stones throw from FSU's campus, recently it's gotten split more even
FB scholarships aren't endowed yet - UF's were when Benny Hill gave $ 30 years ago
Expand Doak - don't have money, get it from state by building classrooms in stadium
SEC >>> ACC - speaks for itself w/prestige, money, etc.
Smallest campus in state - buy land, expand campus out that way
Tallahassee is the most remote city in regard to population X hours away out of all P5 programs
FB program doesn't have any money and nearly shuts down - Bowden comes in, installs crazy new offense, takes recruiting to another level, and plays "anyone, anywhere, anytime' earning the monkier the "road warriors" and his personal nickname the "riverboat gambler"
*** Hence, when this issue came up, people put their heads together and figured out a way (s) around it. FSU is used to being the underdog, doing "more with less" because they were forced to that and adapt while building their brand
They don't have generations of doctors/lawyers/successful business people. TLH is a massive pain in the *** to fly into and very expensive. Campus is remote.
Point is they're used to thinking outside the box. They've had to do that to survive and thrive from the late 70's - present day.
Can we stop the bullshyt about us getting thrown out . It serves no purpose other than to give ammo to our detractors. And its absolutely ludicrous
and not all are fans, trolls love to cause trouble
Why would we get kicked out, makes no sense. We weren't brought in based on our accomplishments on the field of play in any particular sport. We all know why we are in the B1G, and the same reason holds true today as it did at the time. Also, the conference needs some programs and fans that are satisfied with being also rans and bottom feeders. The four programs they just brought in actually are invested in winning, they are going to need to have some less competitive conference games each year, they all can't be Ohio State vs. USC every week.
I believe that will happen , but now think it will be in a couple of years
Before today I felt both would be added to the B1G a little after Oregon and Washington were announced as new members..
But now I think the B1G is looking for revenue justification for adding them and checking out deals that could help make their membership profitable to B1G besides just making sure the B1G controlled all of the West Coast and didn't leave an opening for the B1G 12 to gain a little territory of their own on it