OT: 2 Newark Firefighters Killed Battling Blaze on Cargo Vessel

[e5fdny]

Just found this interesting article from 1974: https://www.nytimes.com/1974/12/08/...-payments-offered.html?searchResultPosition=1

And check out this recommendation, something that seems to only now be somewhat considered 50 years later:
"According to a New York Fire Department spokesman, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey should establish a bistate or tristate firefighting agency. “The New York Fire Department spends a great deal of time fighting New Jersey shore fires,” he said."

As mentioned earlier in the thread before we had our own simulator at the Fire Academy (fyi, it’s much cooler looking now) we trained at SUNY Maritime in the Throgs Neck section of the Bronx.

And yes, like The NY Times article states, that’s what my Dad did as the incident commander at his pier fires along the Jersey City waterfront…”Division One to Central, make the call. I need Marine 1.”

 

[RU4Real]

As mentioned earlier in the thread before we had our own simulator at the Fire Academy (fyi, it’s much cooler looking now) we trained at SUNY Maritime in the Throgs Neck section of the Bronx.

And yes, like The NY Times article states, that’s what my Dad did as the incident commander at his pier fires along the Jersey City waterfront…”Division One to Central, make the call. I need Marine 1.”

Isn't ordering up expensive hardware the most fun thing ever?

I used to make a game out of how many different ways I could radio County to request a medevac.

 

[RU Diesel07110]

For those following along, from the news video and coverage, hopefully you all got to see this guy in action…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Fighter_II

This one, Firefighter II (Marine Company 9 - Staten Island) and the other one just like it, the 343 (Marine Company 1 - Manhattan) are for the lack of a better description truly bad ***.

It’s like having a water based Battlestar Galactica or Star Destroyer at your disposal.

My late Dad used to tell me stories about the power of the old boats when he had to special call them for piers fires in Jersey City in the late 70s and early 80s.

And I saw the pumping capabilities of an old one, the retired (at the time) John J. Harvey, up close and personal on 9/11.

Heard there was an issue with hose threads not matching.
Also why couldn’t they use helicopters to dump water like wildfires. Beats sending firefighters onto the ship.

 

[RU4Real]

Heard there was an issue with hose threads not matching.
Also why couldn’t they use helicopters to dump water like wildfires. Beats sending firefighters onto the ship.

Helicopters can only drop water on the deck.

The cars are in a parking structure that is fully enclosed.

 

[RUPete]

After reading today what FF were up against with this fire, I hope that some positive reforms can come out of this. Specifically what’s available on site for initial containment to additional training which would involve an evaluation of whether you send FF on board at all after a certain point. Also, what can be done differently in terms of the loading and storage of these vehicles? We can’t lose lives again. Need to learn from this.

 

[mikeinsec127]

So a Few things:

1. FDNY has had a fire boat on-scene since Wednesday night
2. The RO-RO section is enclosed, so there is little area for penetration into the fire
3. The RO-RO section is set up like a big parking garage W/O containment between decks
4. Ships have water hoses for fire suppression, but they are small in the 1-2 inch range and pump salt water
5. Most ships have additional waterless fire suppression systems - reason being salt water is a major corrosive
6. Waterless systems work by replacing oxygen with an inert gas, which kills the fire and any person in the area
7. Somebody breeched the role-up door, so the waterless system wouldn't work
8. Most fire fighting foams have been ruled to be known carcinogens so are no longer used
9. FDNY trains at for ship fires, but NJ Depts do not and no equivalent facility exists in NJ or Pa.

 

[Knight Shift]

Firefighters know "the Secret List," an e-mail list on line of duty deaths (LODDs).

Two excellent YouTube videos on shipboard firefighting and commentary on the Newark fire from a maritime historian at Campbell University, former merchant mariner - and active fire officer, discusses more about the differences between ship versus shore firefighting....and the initial efforts to suppress the fire on board the Grimaldi Lines Grande Costa d'Avorio.

He points out that Newark FD had not had shipboard firefighting training in over 6 years. He makes important distinctions between shipboard firefighting vs. structural firefighting (buildings).

@e5fdny - your fireboat is featured in video 2 below.



Second video from same person.

 

[Jm0513]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CunMlTssyQ3/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CunMlTssyQ3/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==