OT: 2023 Golf Thread

Knightmoves

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First time I played with a caddy it was weird and I did feel uncomfortable ( didn’t think I was worth his time). Then as white bus stated you become a team. He offers advice he tells you where the trouble is and how to avoid it.

If you haven’t used a caddy I highly recommend especially at a course you have never played and want a true experience. Not saying I’m taking a caddy at my local muni that I have played 100 times. But at a special course I will always spring for it.
I played a course in Las Vegas years ago with a caddie. He was a former PGA teaching pro, joined me for my range session and watched me hit each club before the round. During the round he handed me the club and gave advice for each shot, including putts. It made the round stress free and I played better than my handicap on a tough course. A caddie makes the round more enjoyable and more productive imo.
 
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RUBubba

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Played a couple of times with a real caddy. Several were real good dudes that kept things light and if they were a real caddy at the course, their green reading was outstanding. My score easily would have been 5-8 shots higher without their greens skills.

TPC Harding Park is CPO. Massive pain, but when I played it I still had some lingering effects of knee surgery, so I wasn't ok to walk it.

Played TPC Scottsdale years ago. On the first tee, our fore caddie rearranged the clubs in my bag. Really threw me off since he wasn't pulling clubs for me. Again though, green reading was fantastic.
 

kupuna133

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I played a course in Las Vegas years ago with a caddie. He was a former PGA teaching pro, joined me for my range session and watched me hit each club before the round. During the round he handed me the club and gave advice for each shot, including putts. It made the round stress free and I played better than my handicap on a tough course. A caddie makes the round more enjoyable and more productive imo.
That’s been my experience also. One you get past the unknown of the first time it is well worth it. Plus most caddies are low key comedians and make the walk much more enjoyable.
 

RUScrew85

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It's not that way with a good caddy. It's more like you're a team, he is your mentor. You are constantly asking him for advice.

First time I played with a caddy it was weird and I did feel uncomfortable ( didn’t think I was worth his time). Then as white bus stated you become a team. He offers advice he tells you where the trouble is and how to avoid it.

If you haven’t used a caddy I highly recommend especially at a course you have never played and want a true experience. Not saying I’m taking a caddy at my local muni that I have played 100 times. But at a special course I will always spring for it.
Yeah I know that conceptually but still fear I'd feel uncomfortable about them like a cleaning lady.

But yeah I'll have to hire one given the chance.
 

kupuna133

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I really want to play 17.
It’s a blast. It is unnerving standing on that tee box and the nerves start 2-3 holes in advance because you know it’s coming. Views come into play from the 16 tee box. It should be a manageable shot. Plays from 110-130 from white/blue tee boxes. But is anything but.

As I said earlier in this thread my first time playing there was no wind and the green was receptive all 4 hit the green (caddy was very impressed). Next time we didn't fair as well.
 

RUScrew85

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It’s a blast. It is unnerving standing on that tee box and the nerves start 2-3 holes in advance because you know it’s coming. Views come into play from the 16 tee box. It should be a manageable shot. Plays from 110-130 from white/blue tee boxes. But is anything but.

As I said earlier in this thread my first time playing there was no wind and the green was receptive all 4 hit the green (caddy was very impressed). Next time we didn't fair as well.

Yeah I figure it's a PW. How bad can it be? (LOL)
 

Knightmoves

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I really want to play 17.
Chad Ramey, leader by 2 strokes, dumps 2 in the water on 17 to make quad bogie. Steps up to 18 tee and flares the Driver right of the cart path. Anything to avoid the water on the left. He is probably done as a contender this weekend.

Rahm drops out with a stomach flu today.

Very windy today at TPC. Scores could go higher.
 

RUScrew85

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Nov 7, 2003
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Chad Ramey, leader by 2 strokes, dumps 2 in the water on 17 to make quad bogie. Steps up to 18 tee and flares the Driver right of the cart path. Anything to avoid the water on the left. He is probably done as a contender this weekend.

Rahm drops out with a stomach flu today.

Very windy today at TPC. Scores could go higher.
Watching now, delayed.
 

RU85inFla

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Aug 4, 2003
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Was there on Friday drinking like a sailor in a chalet on 17. Good times.

Played the course about 50 times. Experian client and they took us there quarterly for a decade. If you can hit it straight it’s a real reasonable course. If not, it’s a nightmare.
 

kupuna133

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Was there on Friday drinking like a sailor in a chalet on 17. Good times.

Played the course about 50 times. Experian client and they took us there quarterly for a decade. If you can hit it straight it’s a real reasonable course. If not, it’s a nightmare.
That was my experience(although only played twice). It’s a straightforward course. You can pretty much see from the tee all of your problems. The problem is steering clear of the problems because they can be severe.

I was able to play the country club and dyes valley. They are equally as good.
 

RU85inFla

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Aug 4, 2003
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That was my experience(although only played twice). It’s a straightforward course. You can pretty much see from the tee all of your problems. The problem is steering clear of the problems because they can be severe.

I was able to play the country club and dyes valley. They are equally as good.
Both real nice. Sawgrass country club (East/west) was the original home of the players and a bear when the wins is blowing.
 

Caliknight

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Sep 21, 2001
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Caddy’s are a must. I’m not sure how you can play without one, not seriously anyway.
 

WhiteBus

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Both real nice. Sawgrass country club (East/west) was the original home of the players and a bear when the wins is blowing.
Not the original home. First was Atlanta Country Club, then Colonial in Fort Worth then Inverrary replacing the Atlantic Claasic, the Colonial and the Jackie Gleason. After those 3 years it was at Sawgrass. Played there twice. Tough as anything I played back then but scored incredibly well. Fun course. I played all the other 3 as well. Loved Colonial. Inverrary was terrible. A perfect Pro-Am site.
 
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Interesting read on the changes with LIV. Saudis appear to be cutting back certain expenses, are treating this more like a business now, appear to be banking on selling their interests in the teams for big bucks and possibly going to more of the purses going to the teams instead of individuals (teams have to cover some of their own costs now).

 
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they have to slow the cash burn rate or they will be done by year 3.
As the article states, they are really trying to get this "franchise" model up and running fast. The Saudi's apparently are banking on selling these teams for big money to recoup some of their investment. So they need these teams to start acting like real sports franchises - generating their own revenues and paying their own expenses. Hence they LIV seems to be shifting more towards purse money going to the teams and not individual players.

Maybe I am way off but I am struggling to understand who or what would pay 9 figures for a 4 man golf team? But money talks, so if these franchises are actually generating real and significant cash flow, someone would buy them.
 

knightfan7

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Jul 30, 2003
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As the article states, they are really trying to get this "franchise" model up and running fast. The Saudi's apparently are banking on selling these teams for big money to recoup some of their investment. So they need these teams to start acting like real sports franchises - generating their own revenues and paying their own expenses. Hence they LIV seems to be shifting more towards purse money going to the teams and not individual players.

Maybe I am way off but I am struggling to understand who or what would pay 9 figures for a 4 man golf team? But money talks, so if these franchises are actually generating real and significant cash flow, someone would buy them.
But they'd still have to pay off the crazy contracts they gave DJ, Phil, Koepka, etc, right?
 

Jtung230

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Jun 30, 2005
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Great matches today at the WGC. Cam Young is legit. I was invited to attend but had to pass.
 

Knightmoves

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Semifinal matchups this morning:

Scottie Scheffler vs Sam Burns
Cam Young vs Rory McIlroy

A Scheffler vs McIlroy final would be special.

Seven rounds of golf in five days to win it.
 

Terry_2426

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Doesn't matter since this tournament is gone after this year anyway, but I always wished they did this Thurs-Mon of MDW. The Fri/Sat slate for this tournament is always incredible, and I think putting that on Sat/Sun of MDW would be fun.
 
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Jtung230

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Cam Young used up all his luck against Rory. Burns had a shaky stretch against Scottie but he right the ship and never looked back.
 

Lerxst72

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what's the reason behind the cancellation of the tournament? I missed any mention, not having been following closely.
 
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I would also like this information.

Appears partly due to new PGA Tour schedule that has new designated events (granted the WGC was a designated event but will be replaced by a regular tour stop as the PGA makes changes to the calendar).

Seems like mixed feedback from tour players. Some liked the change up and playing match play, others don't really seem to care one way or the other.
 
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chase07470

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As the article states, they are really trying to get this "franchise" model up and running fast. The Saudi's apparently are banking on selling these teams for big money to recoup some of their investment. So they need these teams to start acting like real sports franchises - generating their own revenues and paying their own expenses. Hence they LIV seems to be shifting more towards purse money going to the teams and not individual players.

Maybe I am way off but I am struggling to understand who or what would pay 9 figures for a 4 man golf team? But money talks, so if these franchises are actually generating real and significant cash flow, someone would buy them.
The franchise thing is crazy. What are you buying? Sounds like another whacky Phil idea that the Saudi's stupidly fell for. This has been the most ill-conceived, financial disaster in the history of sports.

But its been great for the Tour. So much better having all the top guys in the same trounaments. Somehow LIV took all the players most of us didn't like so its been addition by subtraction except for Cam and the Chilean's. PGAT should offer them a free return if they do it before LIV implodes. The rest of the guys can kick rocks.
 

knightfan7

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You are really bad at math.
Really, really bad.

Actually 20% or less depending on number of qualifiers. Last year there were 90 but it can reach close to 100 in a given year.

18 is around 1/3 of all players who made the cut. A quick check appears to show 1/2 of Liv golfers missed the cut so it'd be less than 20% of those who made it to Saturday
 

RUBubba

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Apparently the contract these guys signed with LIV calls for a 2 to 4 time penalty for resigning their LIV membership. Koepka would owe $400,000,000.

Wow.