OT: 2023 Rock and Roll HOF Nominations and Billboard's Handicapping of Chances to Make It

[RU848789]

Didn't see a thread on this - the nominees came out today and include the following, while the link below is Billboard's effort to handicap the odds of each nominee to make it. Who you got? My top votes go to The White Stripes, Joy Division/New Order, The Spinners, Rage Against the Machine, and maybe Soundgarden or Sheryl Crow.

• Kate Bush
• Sheryl Crow
• Missy Elliott
• Iron Maiden
• Joy Division/New Order
• Cyndi Lauper
• George Michael
• Willie Nelson
• Rage Against the Machine
• Soundgarden
• The Spinners
• A Tribe Called Quest
• The White Stripes
• Warren Zevon

https://www.billboard.com/lists/rock-hall-fame-nominees-2023-odds-predictions/the-white-stripes/

 

[mdk02]

Willie Nelson belongs in a Hall of Fame, but I'm not sure it's the R&R HOF

 

[WhiteBus]

Cindi Lauper
Soundgarden
Sheryl Crow
Warren Zevon
Willie Nelson ??

 

[bac2therac]

lol is this list for real

Sheryl Crow does not have the body or work or impact to be on this list, Numbers I am shocked you would pick her

I think Kate Bush may make it this time because of the Stranger Things resurgance

The way the Corporate world rolls now is that it bends overboard for inclusion. Peeps keep talking about the lack of female artists.

I think Cyndi Lauper does get in along with Missy Elliot to placate the hip hoppers

I see Willie Nelson getting in because its a nod to country

Iorn Maiden gets in because its the metal nod

New Order gets in for the electronic nod

Honestly I dont think White Stripes deserve to be in certainly not over the likes of Alice in Chains who are not even nominated again.

George Michael definitely deserves it...look for him or Cyndi to get fan vote

 

[Knight Shift]

lol is this list for real

Sheryl Crow does not have the body or work or impact to be on this list, Numbers I am shocked you would pick her

I think Kate Bush may make it this time because of the Stranger Things resurgance

The way the Corporate world rolls now is that it bends overboard for inclusion. Peeps keep talking about the lack of female artists.

I think Cyndi Lauper does get in along with Missy Elliot to placate the hip hoppers

I see Willie Nelson getting in because its a nod to country

Iorn Maiden gets in because its the metal nod

New Order gets in for the electronic nod

Honestly I dont think White Stripes deserve to be in certainly not over the likes of Alice in Chains who are not even nominated again.

George Michael definitely deserves it...look for him or Cyndi to get fan vote

For once we agree. Can you straighten @RU848789 out with the title of this thread "Grammys?"

My votes, in order:

The Spinners
Warren Zevon
Soundgarden
Iron Maiden (not a fan, but they have earned it)
George Michael
Kate Bush
The White Stripes (short shelf life and light catalog)
Rage Against the Machine (pretty light catalog though, like Sheryl Crow)

Sheryl Crow is a joke of an artist and a light catalog.
Don't really think Willie Nelson, Missy Elliot, Cyndi Lauper or A Tribe Called Quest fit in, but Cyndie Lauper will be the PC choice. Love A Tribe Called Quest, but again, thin catalog, and not really rock and roll.

 

[bac2therac]

For once we agree. Can you straighten @RU848789 out with the title of this thread "Grammys?"

My votes, in order:

The Spinners
Warren Zevon
Soundgarden
Iron Maiden (not a fan, but they have earned it)
George Michael
Kate Bush
The White Stripes (short shelf life and light catalog)
Rage Against the Machine (pretty light catalog though, like Sheryl Crow)

Sheryl Crow is a joke of an artist and a light catalog.
Don't really think Willie Nelson, Missy Elliot, Cyndi Lauper or A Tribe Called Quest fit in, but Cyndie Lauper will be the PC choice. Love A Tribe Called Quest, but again, thin catalog, and not really rock and roll.

most artists that get in have some sort of masterpiece in their repertoire...what is Crow's All I Wanna Do Is Have Some Fun or Soak Up the Sun...have those songs stood the test of time like say Cyndi Laupers ubiquitous Girls Just Wanna Have Fun or Time After Time.

For Zevon....just not enough impact for most people

How can Soundgarden get in over Alice In Chains????!!!!

agree with the short life on White Stripes...one big song but not much else that most care about.

Rage definitely had an impact and eventually they might get in but that was a pretty short time period

 

[mdk02]

most artists that get in have some sort of masterpiece in their repertoire...what is Crow's All I Wanna Do Is Have Some Fun or Soak Up the Sun...have those songs stood the test of time like say Cyndi Laupers ubiquitous Girls Ju
st Wanna Have Fun or Time After Time.

For Zevon....just not enough impact for most people

How can Soundgarden get in over Alice In Chains????!!!!

agree with the short life on White Stripes...one big song but not much else that most care about.

Rage definitely had an impact and eventually they might get in but that was a pretty short time period

Add "You're My Favorite Mistake" to Crow's catalog.

 

[bac2therac]

is that really a song that transcends generations

I do like Crow, I actually have 2 of her cds but I just dont think she is at that level...

for petes sake Pat Bentar just got in last year and Pat's impact dwarfs Crow...ditto for Stevie Nicks who just got in a couple years back

it figures though the industry loves her so she gets in

i expect similar to happen with Pink in a decade

PJ Harvey and the Pointer Sisters should be in

 

[Knight Shift]

most artists that get in have some sort of masterpiece in their repertoire...what is Crow's All I Wanna Do Is Have Some Fun or Soak Up the Sun...have those songs stood the test of time like say Cyndi Laupers ubiquitous Girls Just Wanna Have Fun or Time After Time.

For Zevon....just not enough impact for most people

How can Soundgarden get in over Alice In Chains????!!!!

agree with the short life on White Stripes...one big song but not much else that most care about.

Rage definitely had an impact and eventually they might get in but that was a pretty short time period

Think you are underestimating Warren Zevon- While his catalog is light--Werewolves of London, Excitable Boy, Lawyers, Guns and Money, he was fairly influential and collaborated with a lot of top stars and RRHOF inductees.


His final appearance on Letterman was epic:

He noted, "I might have made a tactical error in not going to a physician for 20 years." It was during this broadcast that, when asked by Letterman if he knew something more about life and death now, he first offered his oft-quoted insight that people need to "enjoy every sandwich."

Can't it be both AIC and Soundgarden?

White Stripes had more than one big song.

Rage has not released any new music and seriously need to change their band name.

 

[T2Kplus20]

lol is this list for real

Sheryl Crow does not have the body or work or impact to be on this list, Numbers I am shocked you would pick her

I think Kate Bush may make it this time because of the Stranger Things resurgance

The way the Corporate world rolls now is that it bends overboard for inclusion. Peeps keep talking about the lack of female artists.

I think Cyndi Lauper does get in along with Missy Elliot to placate the hip hoppers

I see Willie Nelson getting in because its a nod to country

Iorn Maiden gets in because its the metal nod

New Order gets in for the electronic nod

Honestly I dont think White Stripes deserve to be in certainly not over the likes of Alice in Chains who are not even nominated again.

George Michael definitely deserves it...look for him or Cyndi to get fan vote

Watch out, he may start posting Taylor Swift videos. LOL!

 

[RUGuitarMan1]

The Spinners are one of my all time favorite R&B / Soul groups and I hope they get in. “ I’ll Be Around” is one my favorite songs and is a flat out rock tune, vocals are great:

 

[Colbert17!]

Add "You're My Favorite Mistake" to Crow's catalog.

A song written about Eric Clapton

 

[Knight Shift]

The Spinners are one of my all time favorite R&B / Soul groups and I hope they get in. “ I’ll Be Around” is one my favorite songs and is a flat out rock tune, vocals are great:

I was surprised they were not in already, but then again not really surprised when you consider non-rock artists who are already in.

 

[RU848789]

lol is this list for real

Sheryl Crow does not have the body or work or impact to be on this list, Numbers I am shocked you would pick her

I think Kate Bush may make it this time because of the Stranger Things resurgance

The way the Corporate world rolls now is that it bends overboard for inclusion. Peeps keep talking about the lack of female artists.

I think Cyndi Lauper does get in along with Missy Elliot to placate the hip hoppers

I see Willie Nelson getting in because its a nod to country

Iorn Maiden gets in because its the metal nod

New Order gets in for the electronic nod

Honestly I dont think White Stripes deserve to be in certainly not over the likes of Alice in Chains who are not even nominated again.

George Michael definitely deserves it...look for him or Cyndi to get fan vote

I said maybe on Crow...what I forgot to add is that for me I have the White Stripes and JD/NO way above the other artists. WS would be way ahead of Alice in Chains for me. Their first 3 or 4 albums epitomize the best of rock and roll and are some of the best reviewed and revered albums ever and they had quite a bit of commercial success too.

Also, given how so many on this board decry the lack of great, true rock and roll bands since 2000, I'm a bit surprised that you and @Knight Shift and others aren't huge fans. Some accolades for the WS below from the wiki page. They're far more than "Seven Nation Army" although that is one of the greatest rock songs ever, IMO, even if it is way overplayed. They were also a phenomenal live band.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Stripes

• Here's what AllMusic had to say about their first album, The White Stripes, in 1999: "Jack White's voice is a singular, evocative combination of punk, metal, blues, and backwoods while his guitar work is grand and banging with just enough lyrical touches of slide and subtle solo work... Meg White balances out the fretwork and the fretting with methodical, spare, and booming cymbal, bass drum, and snare... All D.I.Y. punk-country-blues-metal singer-songwriting duos should sound this good."
• Here are some comments about their 2001 album, White Blood Cells: "the Daily Mirror called them "the greatest band since The Sex Pistols." In 2002, Q magazine listed the White Stripes as one of "50 Bands to See Before You Die". After their first appearance on network TV (a live set on The Late Late Show With Craig Kilborn), Joe Hagan of The New York Times declared, "They have made rock rock again by returning to its origins as a simple, primitive sound full of unfettered zeal.
• Their 2003 album, Elephant, garnered critical acclaim upon its release. It received a perfect five-out-of-five-star rating from Rolling Stone magazine, and enjoys a 92-percent positive rating on Metacritic. Allmusic said the album "sounds even more pissed-off, paranoid, and stunning than its predecessor... That same year, Elephant was ranked number 390 on the magazine's list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time. In 2009, the album came in at number 18 in NME's "Top 100 Greatest Albums of the decade".
• Their last three albums each won the Grammy Award for Best Alternative Music Album.
• In 2015, Rolling Stone named them the sixth greatest duo of all time

 

[bac2therac]

Overrated

 

[RU848789]

Overrated.

Given some of the drek music you've posted about (especially being such a big Yacht Rock fan), I think we can ignore your opinion of the White Stripes. They certainly rock harder (and creatively so) than anyone else on the list, except maybe the metal bands on the list, although metal isn't quite my cup of tea (but I don't question whether they can bring the noise).

 

[bac2therac]

they are not better than Soundgarden and Iron Maiden has a more lasting impact on the genre of rock and roll

 

[bac2therac]

the yacht rock has some of the best production in rock and many yacht rock artists are already in the Hall of Fame

 

[29PAS]

Hope the Spinners and Warren Zevon get in. And I'm ok with Cyndi Lauper.

But please, please not Cheryl Crow. "All I wanna do" and "Soak up the sun" make me reach immediatley for the volume control, mute button or the off switch.

 

[Kbee3]

Hope the Spinners and Warren Zevon get in. And I'm ok with Cyndi Lauper.

But please, please not Cheryl Crow. "All I wanna do" and "Soak up the sun" make me reach immediatley for the volume control, mute button or the off switch.

So true.
I can't believe that she actually has a catalogue. IMO she's stupid and boring.
I always wondered what she was doing on the Crossroads Guitar Festivals that Eric Clapton used to run every three years. I recorded them and watch them often. They're interesting collections of some of the greatest guitarists around...and for some reason Sheryl Crow.
I didn't know she was doing Clapton.....should have figured.

 

[Kbee3]

Didn't see a thread on this - the nominees came out today and include the following, while the link below is Billboard's effort to handicap the odds of each nominee to make it. Who you got? My top votes go to The White Stripes, Joy Division/New Order, The Spinners, Rage Against the Machine, and maybe Soundgarden or Sheryl Crow.

• Kate Bush
• Sheryl Crow
• Missy Elliott
• Iron Maiden
• Joy Division/New Order
• Cyndi Lauper
• George Michael
• Willie Nelson
• Rage Against the Machine
• Soundgarden
• The Spinners
• A Tribe Called Quest
• The White Stripes
• Warren Zevon

https://www.billboard.com/lists/rock-hall-fame-nominees-2023-odds-predictions/the-white-stripes/

I gotta question the judgment of anyone who could look at the list of those enshrined in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and still take it seriously.

 

[DJ Spanky]

This whole process is a sham: until they start nominating Minnie Riperton they shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

[bitnez]

Love AIC (maybe my favorite band of all time) but Soundgarden deserves it more. True forefathers of the Seattle sound even though Nirvana have been incorrectly given credit for it.

BTW, Lane and Chris were both iconic front men and Chris’ voice was otherworldly.

 

[Scarlet_Monster]

Warren Zevon should have been in there decades ago.

 

[Knight Shift]

Given some of the drek music you've posted about (especially being such a big Yacht Rock fan), I think we can ignore your opinion of the White Stripes. They certainly rock harder (and creatively so) than anyone else on the list, except maybe the metal bands on the list, although metal isn't quite my cup of tea (but I don't question whether they can bring the noise).

That's not really a fair basis to discount his opinion. I agree with bac on this, and you are showing your bias with your comment on metal.

they are not better than Soundgarden and Iron Maiden has a more lasting impact on the genre of rock and roll

I would be OK with Jack White for his entire body of work. @RU848789 is correct about their first several albums, but have they weathered the test of time? I don't think so. Jack White has done so much other great work with solo work, The Raconteurs, The Dead Weather and other projects that he should be in as a solo artist. But that crappy drummer in The White Stripes? Bwa, ha, ha.

Love AIC (maybe my favorite band of all time) but Soundgarden deserves it more. True forefathers of the Seattle sound even though Nirvana have been incorrectly given credit for it.

BTW, Lane and Chris were both iconic front men and Chris’ voice was otherworldly.

I'm kind of with you here. It's a shame what happened to Layne in the end. The real musical genius of that band is Jerry Cantrell. Like Jack White, perhaps he should be in as a solo artist, not for his solo work, but for his body of work. Don't think they look at it that way though. Both bands are worthy. So are some fringe Washington/Seattle bands if the White Stripes are in such as The Screaming Trees, Mark Lanegan as a solo artist, The Melvins, Mudhoney, and maybe a couple of others.

 

[RU4Real]

The only slam dunk on this list is Warren Zevon.

 

[bitnez]

That's not really a fair basis to discount his opinion. I agree with bac on this, and you are showing your bias with your comment on metal.

I would be OK with Jack White for his entire body of work. @RU848789 is correct about their first several albums, but have they weathered the test of time? I don't think so. Jack White has done so much other great work with solo work, The Raconteurs, The Dead Weather and other projects that he should be in as a solo artist. But that crappy drummer in The White Stripes? Bwa, ha, ha.

I'm kind of with you here. It's a shame what happened to Layne in the end. The real musical genius of that band is Jerry Cantrell. Like Jack White, perhaps he should be in as a solo artist, not for his solo work, but for his body of work. Don't think they look at it that way though. Both bands are worthy. So are some fringe Washington/Seattle bands if the White Stripes are in such as The Screaming Trees, Mark Lanegan as a solo artist, The Melvins, Mudhoney, and maybe a couple of others.

I saw the Melvins at the Stone Pony a few months back. Still very solid band.

 

[RU848789]

they are not better than Soundgarden and Iron Maiden has a more lasting impact on the genre of rock and roll

Uhhh, no.

 

[RU848789]

That's not really a fair basis to discount his opinion. I agree with bac on this, and you are showing your bias with your comment on metal.

I would be OK with Jack White for his entire body of work. @RU848789 is correct about their first several albums, but have they weathered the test of time? I don't think so. Jack White has done so much other great work with solo work, The Raconteurs, The Dead Weather and other projects that he should be in as a solo artist. But that crappy drummer in The White Stripes? Bwa, ha, ha.

I'm kind of with you here. It's a shame what happened to Layne in the end. The real musical genius of that band is Jerry Cantrell. Like Jack White, perhaps he should be in as a solo artist, not for his solo work, but for his body of work. Don't think they look at it that way though. Both bands are worthy. So are some fringe Washington/Seattle bands if the White Stripes are in such as The Screaming Trees, Mark Lanegan as a solo artist, The Melvins, Mudhoney, and maybe a couple of others.

We disagree 110% on the White Stripes, so not worth arguing any more, as it's impossible to change someone's mind about something subjective, like music. For me, the WS blow away every other nominee - I also think calling the WS "fringe" is way off (that's not a music opinion, per se), as their level of "success" (sales, grammys, etc.) is not "fringe."

And of course, I'm biased about metal, but that wasn't the point of that part of the post - all I was saying is the WS and the metal bands all seriously rock as compared to most of the other nominees (and Yacht Rock).

 

[Knight Shift]

Uhhh, no.

:YesNo

 

[RU848789]

The only slam dunk on this list is Warren Zevon.

This is where that whole subjectivity thing comes in. He'd be near the bottom of my list.

 

[Rhuarc]

I think the AIC vs. Soundgarden rock and roll hall of fame argument is a toss up. Very similar discographies, same time period, etc. I prefer Alice in Chains and totally agree with whoever said that Cantrell is the true genius of the group. They also hit a home run by adding Duvall as the new singer. They are as good now as they were in the 90's in my opinion.

I just resurrected the guitar player thread with a Black Crowes concert from the 90's. Tell me how this band isn't in the rock and roll hall of fame? They were literally one of the last and most famous Rock and roll bands in the last few decades. Go check that concert I posted and tell me you disagree.

 

[DJ Spanky]

#FreeMinnie

 

[RUGuitarMan1]

I think the AIC vs. Soundgarden rock and roll hall of fame argument is a toss up. Very similar discographies, same time period, etc. I prefer Alice in Chains and totally agree with whoever said that Cantrell is the true genius of the group. They also hit a home run by adding Duvall as the new singer. They are as good now as they were in the 90's in my opinion.

I just resurrected the guitar player thread with a Black Crowes concert from the 90's. Tell me how this band isn't in the rock and roll hall of fame? They were literally one of the last and most famous Rock and roll bands in the last few decades. Go check that concert I posted and tell me you disagree.

The Black Crowes are my favorite rock band that emerged in that very late 80s through mid 90s period, which had numerous notable rock bands ascend and was probably the last great period for new rock music. I don’t think it is near the mid 60s through mid 70s period however. In my opinion that is the gold standard for rock music.

 

[wisr01]

Iron Maiden has sold over 130 million records for good reason. Fantastic band that is more than worthy.

FYI, the White Stripes have sold about 6 million , no?

 

[bac2therac]

Uhhh, no.

Uhhh yes

 

[bac2therac]

This is where that whole subjectivity thing comes in. He'd be near the bottom of my list.

Agree here

 

[RUhasarrived]

Next year,they should have the induction ceremony in early April.
Cleveland is going all out for the Women's Final Four on April 5th and 7th and the almost 4 minute total solar eclipse on April 8th.
Maybe MLB will schedule an afternoon game on the 8th with the Guardians playing the Twins who can pitch Sonny Gray.

 

[Knight Shift]

This is where that whole subjectivity thing comes in. He'd be near the bottom of my list.

IDK if it is subjectivity or respect. Many consider Warren Zevon a legend, with a career that spanned nearly 40 years.
But some consider a band that had a short run of 8 years with a mediocre drummer as deserving to be in over a legend. Memories are short.

 

[RU4Real]

The Black Crowes are my favorite rock band that emerged in that very late 80s through mid 90s period, which had numerous notable rock bands ascend and was probably the last great period for new rock music. I don’t think it is near the mid 60s through mid 70s period however. In my opinion that is the gold standard for rock music.

I love their music.

I'm not wild about the tuning.