Fast food restaurants are already wage based and not tip based. They don't close early or open late. Why would you think that would be any different if the practice were to spread?
OT: America's Fight Over Tipping at Restaurants Comes to Its Biggest Battleground Yet
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I mean the one where I grab a bottle of water and a snack and scan it myself lol.
I am a generous tipper and will continue to be whatever the system. Waiters, baristas, the counter guy/gal at a bodega are barely making a livable wage. I assume most here actually graduated from Rutgers with a degree and everything, right? Mods please delete this thread as I feel it makes Rutgers alumni look bad. Its one thing to be the worst donating fanbase in the country, it is another level to not want to tip your waiter.
Is our degree devalued to the point where we have become this scene from Bridesmaids.
Is our degree devalued to the point where we have become this scene from Bridesmaids.
Those weren't tips. They were donations for your rehab program.
Management was wise to hold onto them and pay the center directly when dropping you off.
Probably different in the country, but never had a problem in city finding bars open to 2,3,4 ...
Not sure where you mean, but many places a gratuity for the server is on the bill already. That could be the reason.
I would always tip more in cash if I felt it wasn't sufficient. My wife was a server through college so we are OVER tippers for the most part. Unless the service is garbage. I would never hold a good server responsible for bad food as suggested in another post. We just would not come back again.
Actually, many of them do pretty well. Of all the part-time jobs I had, waiting tables was by far the best-paying. I can remember a New Year's Eve where I worked my a** off but made $200, almost $500 for a night of unskilled work in today's dollars. I was the food runner at that same restaurant on Friday and Saturday: came in late, left early and made the equivalent of $250 per night. And servers get 18% or 20% now. I got 15%. Lots of other part-time/service workers make just a wage and make much less money. They need help a lot more.I am a generous tipper and will continue to be whatever the system. Waiters, baristas, the counter guy/gal at a bodega are barely making a livable wage. I assume most here actually graduated from Rutgers with a degree and everything, right? Mods please delete this thread as I feel it makes Rutgers alumni look bad. Its one thing to be the worst donating fanbase in the country, it is another level to not want to tip your waiter.
Is our degree devalued to the point where we have become this scene from Bridesmaids.
Bad comparison. I don't know where you live but by me the restaurants (diners included & fast food) are not open super early anymore and close early. Even if open, it's minimal staff/ drive through only. All the 24 hour diners by me maybe open at 7 AM and close by 10 PM. Fast food restaurants don't have high quality staff either.
After having a tip culture, do you really think bar / high end steak house employees will work for minimum/decent wage on weekends when they know how much they pulled in via tips prior? From the owners perspective what is the waiters incentive to sell cocktails and expensive bottles of wine? Sure waiters may do better on off nights but the real money is Thursday - Saturday (even Sunday). What is the incentive to work when the crowds are there? Service will only get much worse.
And everyone getting minimum wage is a bad idea, because it is bad for the restaurant and its employees
Tips will certainly suffer
Friday & Saturday nights usually not an issue. More the result of the owners forcing them to work the hours to get hours. The rest of the days, was tough to keep them open.
Nope. My daughter works as a waitress at a boardwalk restaurant with no AC and pulls in about $200-300 for breakfast! 7-8 hours of work that’s better than minimum wage
That's fine with me. Not everyone wants to drink all night! BTW most restaurants are closing early as they can't get enough help. Most places I've seen that would serve lunch at then close at 2am no longer do that. Many places have gone to a one shift business. Opening at 4pm and closing at midnight or 1am. Just become a day drinker. You'll feel better in the morning. The European model is better then the tipping model X 1000. Although I still tip over there but have to carry Euros.
its a lot less stressful if the servers knew how much they are going to take home every week. and not every restaurant server works at a high end steakhouse. i worked at a medium to high end steakhouse, and a buddy worked at Outback. like I said, it was a tourist town, and some weeks were great, some were terrible. it would have been a lot easier if we knew what we were taking home after every shift.
How hotels get away with “facilities fees” , “resort fees” and fees that let you use the gym, pool, park your car, etc. has always blown my mind. ALL OF THAT CRAP should be included in your stay.
Most Euros are actually insulted if you tip them. It took our bartenders a while in the UK to take them (and it was a Marriot they worked at). Euro model is better for the customer. However, tips are based on service level so you are incentivized in the US. Depending where you work that could be much better.
Miami has the biggest racket in the US where they bang you for a service charge + a separate tip. I got suckered a few times until I did some research. Apparently it became a thing because so many foreigners/tourists go to Miami and would stiff the wait staff.
Yes so true. As soon as I tried to tip most said "where in America are you from?" even at places that I gave the greetings in Flemish (Belgium Dutch) they knew I was American because we are the only ones that insist on tipping.
Most relented but one. A part owner of Het Waterhuis aan de Bierhant in Ghent. Refused to take money. We came to and agreement. I suggested let's give my tip to an older couple sitting at a near by table. His response was awesome. They just celebrated their 55th anniversary a week earlier. Word got around and everyone chipped in and we covered everything. The owner threw in a free celebration meal/drinks for another day.
6 months later I returned. Order a Delirium and the bartender said this is on your friend, the owner. Cool stuff!
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While so many look at europe for standards.. wait help is not tipped. Why doesn't anyone talk about shifting to that standard?
(and, yeah, I tip within the norms.. but I am old enough to know the standard used to be 15%.. so what happened when it went to 20%.. was that so the restaurant owner did not have to pay them more?.. what's next.. 50%?)
I have a lot of restaurant owner/worker friends.
A lot of waitresses are single mums who like cash pay and flexible schedules.
There are also some older women who have been working for decades at same place.
Good looking women bartenders do the best - guys overtip like crazy.
When I lived in the Hamptons my local joint had a dude with a degree from London School of Economics and he was cleaning-up.
I knew a girl paying her way through law school and a whole gang of us used to to out when she was working.
It was a lot of fun and worked good for her.
Tip jars don't bother me because local rents doubled in a few years due to illegals swarming the housing.
A 1k apartment became 2,150 (illegals overfill and split exorbitant rents).
Working people cant even get interest on their savings while the stock market was converted into a taxpayer funded boomer slush fund for overpaid office workers.
"You have socialism in this country for the very wealthy and for the very poor. And you have a brutal form of Darwinian capitalism for everybody else. You’re one paycheck away from oblivion."
A lot of waitresses are single mums who like cash pay and flexible schedules.
There are also some older women who have been working for decades at same place.
Good looking women bartenders do the best - guys overtip like crazy.
When I lived in the Hamptons my local joint had a dude with a degree from London School of Economics and he was cleaning-up.
I knew a girl paying her way through law school and a whole gang of us used to to out when she was working.
It was a lot of fun and worked good for her.
Tip jars don't bother me because local rents doubled in a few years due to illegals swarming the housing.
A 1k apartment became 2,150 (illegals overfill and split exorbitant rents).
Working people cant even get interest on their savings while the stock market was converted into a taxpayer funded boomer slush fund for overpaid office workers.
"You have socialism in this country for the very wealthy and for the very poor. And you have a brutal form of Darwinian capitalism for everybody else. You’re one paycheck away from oblivion."
Give them minimum wage or fair market value, get rid of tipping.
I don't want to tip my waiter. It's a stupid system and our country is the only one that seems to use it for some reason. And in general, waiter service has gotten worse over the last decade, not better.
This thread reminded me of this recent story ...
The creators of South Park recently renovated and re-opened Casa Bonita in Denver. They didn't want tipping in the restaurant, so they prohibited it and instead upped waiter salaries to $30/hour. Well, the waiters are bitching and moaning because they want to go back to minimum wage and tipping.
The creators of South Park recently renovated and re-opened Casa Bonita in Denver. They didn't want tipping in the restaurant, so they prohibited it and instead upped waiter salaries to $30/hour. Well, the waiters are bitching and moaning because they want to go back to minimum wage and tipping.
Thanks... good story.
Response to the workers: Maybe Casa Bonita is not the right place for you. Thank you and goodbye.
Of course, I'd make sure there is demand for that $30/hr no-tips service job to replace them first.
My rule is you come to my table, take my order, bring my order you get a tip.
For someone who regularly waits on us and gives us very good service, I will hand them the tip. Otherwise, the tip goes on my credit card.
Tonight at dinner, I'm going to ask our waiter if they would rather have a set higher hourly wage or receive tips and their current low hourly wage.
For someone who regularly waits on us and gives us very good service, I will hand them the tip. Otherwise, the tip goes on my credit card.
Tonight at dinner, I'm going to ask our waiter if they would rather have a set higher hourly wage or receive tips and their current low hourly wage.
My daughter waitresses at a restaurant for the summer and makes between $200-400 depending on the customers. The owner has them pay 18% out of their tips for the bus boys. I find that over the top since the bus boys are being paid minimum wage, not the waitresses.
Lots of anonymous input here re: tipping "generosity." Big spenders. LOL. Wonder what the reality is? Consumer and credit card debt at all-time highs. Folks spending what they don't have. And sheepishly supporting a restaurant dynamic of mismanagement and unsustainable menu price increases, while escalated tipping as a percentage goes to an under-salaried staff. All in all, the industry needs a reset. Any likely economic downturn will accelerate that.
I worked in the industry as a bartender in grad school, at a higher-end establishment. Made good $. Management looked the other way re: cash tips. But I did see behind the curtain as to how the place was run. Also, the whole bar waitstaff and bartender culture had its own community and afterhours social scene (Raleigh-Durm-Chapel Hell). Pretty wild at times (mid-80s). Incredibly short-sighted in terms of money management and personal responsibility. Management was not too far removed from it. Actually many were part of it.
I worked in the industry as a bartender in grad school, at a higher-end establishment. Made good $. Management looked the other way re: cash tips. But I did see behind the curtain as to how the place was run. Also, the whole bar waitstaff and bartender culture had its own community and afterhours social scene (Raleigh-Durm-Chapel Hell). Pretty wild at times (mid-80s). Incredibly short-sighted in terms of money management and personal responsibility. Management was not too far removed from it. Actually many were part of it.
$30/hour sounds like a decent pay for many looking for a job, even if it is a traditional tip job
The existing staff might not like it but there should be applicants just based on salary
Went out to have dinner in Red Bank last weekend, they added 4% to the bill if you paid by card versus cash. The bill actually showed 2 different totals depending upon which way you were paying. Crazy!
Oh god... Sarcasm or stupidity. I usually charge my Sarcasm Meter on Saturday so I can't tell.
I've never had someone insulted for me giving them extra money. Finding that one hard to believe.
Why is that crazy? Are they supposed to eat 3+ % of your bill for your convenience? I don't blame them one bit.
Take the L buddy. I’ve never experienced restaurants closing early and the service seems to be about the same.
I always found that service workers, like waitstaff and bartenders and all, really like it a lot when I pinch their bottoms while sliding a twenty into the front of their pants. Guys and girls alike. I do it every time they visit the table or bring a drink or whatever.
Highly recommended approach.
Highly recommended approach.