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brgRC90

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Nope. Anyone who was violent should be punished. Some have certainly been overpunished, but one has to keep themselves under control. However, it wasn’t an insurrection. Anyone who was serious about something like that would bring firearms, especially right wingers in a gun happy country, right?
It was an insurrection, an attempt to change an election through violence. Their stated goal was to thwart the transfer of presidential power from Trump to Biden. And they tried to achieve it by forcing their way in to the Capitol. That's insurrection.
 

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It was an insurrection, an attempt to change an election through violence. Their stated goal was to thwart the transfer of presidential power from Trump to Biden. And they tried to achieve it by forcing their way in to the Capitol. That's insurrection.
Why has no one been charged with that, then? Hundreds of prosecutions. How did they miss that, but yet stellar you picked right up on it. You better get on the horn to Washington--there is an election coming up.
 

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It was an insurrection, an attempt to change an election through violence. Their stated goal was to thwart the transfer of presidential power from Trump to Biden. And they tried to achieve it by forcing their way in to the Capitol. That's insurrection.
I'll call it an insurrection when you call it an invasion on the southern border.
 

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It was an insurrection, an attempt to change an election through violence. Their stated goal was to thwart the transfer of presidential power from Trump to Biden. And they tried to achieve it by forcing their way in to the Capitol. That's insurrection.
But what about the bomber? He could have taken out the VP-elect. Curious how she said she was at the Capitol at the time, but was really at the DNC. Also curious how the bomb there wasn't found before the VP went in the building, yet it was sitting next to a bench in front of the building with a lot of foot traffic and cars for like 17 hours. Wouldn't someone intent on destruction and death, place it in some of the plants right next to the building, so as not to be seen and possibly take down all or part of the building. Really interesting. Is it possible it wasn't there for 17 hours and it was known not to be live or a threat, therefore, no need for urgency to cordone off the area frantically once discovered? instead, they waited for someone to take a picture of it first. Something seems off.
 
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But what about the bomber? He could have taken out the VP-elect. Curious how she said she was at the Capitol at the time, but was really at the DNC. Also curious how the bomb there wasn't found before the VP went in the building, yet it was sitting next to a bench in front of the building with a lot of foot traffic and cars for like 17 hours. Wouldn't someone intent on destruction and death, place it in some of the plants right next to the building, so as not to be seen and possibly take down all or part of the building. Really interesting. Is it possible it wasn't there for 17 hours and it was known not to be live or a threat, therefore, no need for urgency to cordone off the area frantically once discovered? instead, they waited for someone to take a picture of it first. Something seems off.
Do you really believe your information sources, whoever they are, have informed you as well as the people investigating crimes? You haven't learned yet that the internet doesn't always provide average people with accurate information, or all of it, huh? I don't know the details. I leave it to professionals, those people conservatives usually support implicitly, to figure it out. You should, too.
 

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Hah. Precisely why it wasn't an insurrection. You walked right into that. Unforced error.
Lol no. An insurrection doesn't have to be organized. It just has to be an attempt to change government through force. There are these things called dictionaries...
 

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Do you really believe your information sources, whoever they are, have informed you as well as the people investigating crimes? You haven't learned yet that the internet doesn't always provide average people with accurate information, or all of it, huh? I don't know the details. I leave it to professionals, those people conservatives usually support implicitly, to figure it out. You should, too.
I watched the video--I like to focus on real information
 

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Lol no. An insurrection doesn't have to be organized. It just has to be an attempt to change government through force. There are these things called dictionaries...
Again, why no charges of insurrection? There have been hundreds of opportunities. Again, you must be much more brilliant than those conducting these prosecutions.
 

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Again, why no charges of insurrection? There have been hundreds of opportunities. Again, you must be much more brilliant than those conducting these prosecutions.
The legal definition of insurrection is probably a little different from the textbook definition. Not many people besides apologists would argue that a huge mob storming the Capitol during a transfer of power doesn't qualify as using violence to change the government. Your desire to argue around this shows you have sympathy for the rioters, though this is of course well known. "Party of law and order lolololol..." You are an enemy of democracy and a danger to America.
 

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Oh and you're sure that's everything?
Enough for me. You can see what's happening with time stamps. You can see the Secret Service. You can see where the bomb is. You can see someone telling them it's there (in plain sight). You can see people continuing to walk around the area after that, including children. The someone takes a picture, then people start to move with urgency. If I were the VP and they missed that on the way in, I'd fire them all. But I actually have more confidence, not complete, in the Secret Service. So I think it wasn't there when they did their pre sweep, because it would be the most rookie mistake.
 

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The legal definition of insurrection is probably a little different from the textbook definition. Not many people besides apologists would argue that a huge mob storming the Capitol during a transfer of power doesn't qualify as using violence to change the government. Your desire to argue around this shows you have sympathy for the rioters, though this is of course well known. "Party of law and order lolololol..." You are an enemy of democracy and a danger to America.
You can refer back to my comments on the violence if you want. It was crystal clear.
 

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Enough for me. You can see what's happening with time stamps. You can see the Secret Service. You can see where the bomb is. You can see someone telling them it's there (in plain sight). You can see people continuing to walk around the area after that, including children. The someone takes a picture, then people start to move with urgency. If I were the VP and they missed that on the way in, I'd fire them all. But I actually have more confidence, not complete, in the Secret Service. So I think it wasn't there when they did their pre sweep, because it would be the most rookie mistake.
Well if it's enough for you, Inspector Clouseau, that's all that matters. Just curious, have you ever been a detective before? Or are you also talking out of your a** like you did with the subject of fascism?
 

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The legal definition of insurrection is probably a little different from the textbook definition. Not many people besides apologists would argue that a huge mob storming the Capitol during a transfer of power doesn't qualify as using violence to change the government. Your desire to argue around this shows you have sympathy for the rioters, though this is of course well known. "Party of law and order lolololol..." You are an enemy of democracy and a danger to America.
You are trying to thread a needle in the first part of this, and typical left hyperbole and making **** up in the second half.
 

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Well if it's enough for you, Inspector Clouseau, that's all that matters. Just curious, have you ever been a detective before? Or are you also talking out of your a** like you did with the subject of fascism?
I will make a reasonable response on fascism when I focus on it for 30 minutes. I won't need the 30 years you have devoted to it. But on the matter of the bomber, every person should be concerned why this dangerous person has not been found.
 

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I will make a reasonable response on fascism when I focus on it for 30 minutes. I won't need the 30 years you have devoted to it. But on the matter of the bomber, every person should be concerned why this dangerous person has not been found.
Lol yes 30 minutes of research is all it takes for a conservative to be an expert on ANY subject! Messenger RNA vaccines, anti-virals, climate, gender dysphoria, criminal investigations, etc. You're all savants!
 
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Well if it's enough for you, Inspector Clouseau, that's all that matters. Just curious, have you ever been a detective before? Or are you also talking out of your a** like you did with the subject of fascism?
But on fascism, doesn't it really require a regime that is the government?
 

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But on fascism, doesn't it really require a regime that is the government?
No. There were fascist movements all over Europe. Even Britain had a fascist party, the British Union of Fascists, led by Oswald Mosley, with 100,000 members. Belgium had the Rexists, clerico-fascists who wanted to meld Catholic theocracy with fascism, which existed in Austria but which was not Nazis. Fascists tried a violent takeover in Finland, but failed.
 
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Lol yes 30 minutes of research is all it takes for a conservative to be an expert on ANY subject! Messenger RNA vaccines, anti-virals, climate, gender dysphoria, criminal investigations, etc. You're all savants!
Forget about being an expert--THERE IS A BOMBER ON THE LOOSE! That much is not in dispute. If they had found this person and they had right leanings of any sort it would be televised 24/7. They are good investigators. Good investigators don't wait three years to pounce--not on a bomber. So someone should just level with us--there likely was never a threat, and therefore there is no need to have a war room or to lock down a city like they did with the Boston bombers.
 

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No. There were fascist movements all over Europe. Even Britain had a fascist party, the British Union of Fascists, led by Oswald Mosley, with 100,000 members. Belgium had the Rexists, clerico-fascists who wanted to meld Catholic theocracy with fascism, which existed in Austria but which was not Nazis. Fascists tried a violent takeover in Finland, but failed.
Don't they need control of the government to be really dangerous?
 

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No. There were fascist movements all over Europe. Even Britain had a fascist party, the British Union of Fascists, led by Oswald Mosley, with 100,000 members. Belgium had the Rexists, clerico-fascists who wanted to meld Catholic theocracy with fascism, which existed in Austria but which was not Nazis. Fascists tried a violent takeover in Finland, but failed.
And is there an reputable organization that tracks fascists and fascist threats?
 
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