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jimlsumner

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No on Chappell.

The timeline is pretty narrow. The NBA forbade early entry until Spencer Haywood sued them on this issue and won.

In 1970.

The courts ruled that neither the NBA nor the NCAA could prohibit players from going to the NBA based on age unless the restriction was part of a Collective Bargaining Agreement between the NBA and the NBA Players Association, i.e. management and labor.
 
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This is a tough one.
Which is why I sat on it.

But it is not a trick question.

The player in question played for an ACC school. Played varsity. He declared for the NBA draft with eligibility left. He was not academically ineligible, he was not suspended, he was not arrested.

It was a basketball decision. He was drafted and did play in the NBA.

But you've likely never heard of him.

I have some errands to run. Be back in about an hour.
 
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Well, you got the team and the year.
Have no idea on the number.

Barry Yates is the answer.

Barry Who?

Obviously, a backstory. Yates was a member of Lefty's first UMD class, along with Jim O'Brien, Howard White and Bob Bodell.

After the obligatory year on the freshman team, O'Brien, White and Yates were the three leading scorers for Maryland in 1971.

Yates averaged 13.2 points and 8.6 rebounds per game.

Not shabby. But he was a sophomore and you think he would have improved.

But here's the rub. The class after him included Tom McMillen and our friend Len Elmore.

Now, Yates was no dummy. He was a power forward and he had no guard skills. He wasn't as good as O'Brien and he darn well knew he wasn't going to play over McMillen. And with Elmore around, McMillen wasn't going to play center.

So, he was facing two years of sitting on the bench, twiddling his thumbs.

Strike while the iron is hot. Or at least lukewarm.

So, Barry Yates was drafted in the eighth round of the 1971 NBA draft and played 24 games for the 76ers in 1972 before dropping off the radar screen.

McAdoo went early the next year and had a hall-of-fame-career.

Yates probably knew what he was doing. Classmate Howard White averaged 15.6 ppg as a sophomore, 9.0 as a junior and 1.9 as a senior, by which time John Lucas was around.

In modern parlance, Lefty recruited over these guys. And got some mighty good teams out of it.
 
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Jim O'Brien sort of resembled Bozo the Clown. :)

Tom McMillan sent perhaps the worst telegram ever to the basketball office at UNC. :) :)
 
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I don't know who's up. So, I'll go with an easy one.

Who was the last ACC player to average 30+ points per game for a season?
 
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BuckinElkin!! said:
Jim O'Brien sort of resembled Bozo the Clown. :)

Tom McMillan sent perhaps the worst telegram ever to the basketball office at UNC. :) :)
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McMillen committed to UNC but his mom really wanted him at Maryland...He was awesome, and was a thorn in Dean's side while at College Park...

Howard White, w/ "H" on back of his jersey where his name would go....
 
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McMillen committed to UNC but his mom really wanted him at Maryland...He was awesome, and was a thorn in Dean's side while at College Park...

Howard White, w/ "H" on back of his jersey where his name would go....
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McMillen actually signed an LOI with Carolina. But he wasn't 18 at the time and his parents didn't sign it, so it wasn't legally binding.

McMillen, Bill Walton, David Thompson, John Lucas and Mitch Kupchak all made official visits to Duke during Waters' tenure.

What might have been.
 
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harttochesson said:
Thompson got a sportcoat from a booster at Duke didn't he?
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Yep. For his interview at Duke.

The NCAA considered this an impermissible benefit and put Duke on a one-year probation, the only one in school history.

No one at Duke knew anything about this and I know people who are still PO'd at the NCAA over this.

And Duke didn't even get Thompson.

Thompson came from a desperately poor background, one where a nice sports coat would have been considered something of a luxury.
 
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Yeah...it was really a reach by the NCAA...Actually the NCSU probation on Thompson was pretty bush too, and origin of complaint allegedly came from a neighboring school...
 
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I think it'd be pretty slick if we were talking about David Thompson this whole time and he turned out to be the last 30-point scorer. So he's my guess :)
 
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skysdad

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jimlsumner said:
Well, you got the team and the year.
Have no idea on the number.

Barry Yates is the answer.

Barry Who?

Obviously, a backstory. Yates was a member of Lefty's first UMD class, along with Jim O'Brien, Howard White and Bob Bodell.

After the obligatory year on the freshman team, O'Brien, White and Yates were the three leading scorers for Maryland in 1971.

Yates averaged 13.2 points and 8.6 rebounds per game.

Not shabby. But he was a sophomore and you think he would have improved.

But here's the rub. The class after him included Tom McMillen and our friend Len Elmore.

Now, Yates was no dummy. He was a power forward and he had no guard skills. He wasn't as good as O'Brien and he darn well knew he wasn't going to play over McMillen. And with Elmore around, McMillen wasn't going to play center.

So, he was facing two years of sitting on the bench, twiddling his thumbs.

Strike while the iron is hot. Or at least lukewarm.

So, Barry Yates was drafted in the eighth round of the 1971 NBA draft and played 24 games for the 76ers in 1972 before dropping off the radar screen.

McAdoo went early the next year and had a hall-of-fame-career.

Yates probably knew what he was doing. Classmate Howard White averaged 15.6 ppg as a sophomore, 9.0 as a junior and 1.9 as a senior, by which time John Lucas was around.

In modern parlance, Lefty recruited over these guys. And got some mighty good teams out of it.
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Awesome question Jim. I went through all the players I could think of and googled them. I wasn't going to cheat, I just wanted to know. To be honest I don't even remember Yates and I'm pretty good at remembering many ACC players back then. OFC
 
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Let's give it an hour or so. It's an ACC player who averaged 30 points per game. We're not talking Barry Yates here. :)
 
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jimlsumner said:
I don't know who's up. So, I'll go with an easy one.

Who was the last ACC player to average 30+ points per game for a season?
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I'll go modern and say JJ. It's probably wrong, but it felt like he scored 30 a game his last 2 seasons, haha.
 
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skysdad

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Whoever it is he's gotta play before the 60's. I'm pretty much on those who played after 1960 and nothings coming. OFC
 
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Okay.

Len Chappell averaged 30.1 ppg in 1962 for Wake Forest's only Final Four team.

David Thompson averaged 29.9 in 1975. He actually was just over 30 ppg going into his last game. But he had leg cramps and scored 14 points as State lost to Carolina in the ACC Tournament title game.

But there's another angle. Thompson dunked in his last home game, pretty much for the heck of it. It was illegal then and he was T'd up and the points taken away.

Had he not dunked, he would have ended up at 30 ppg.
 
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Good story Jim, relating to the dunk- thats a remarkable stat on the way it ended up!! Fire away with another this fine Saturday!!

OFC
 
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What do Washington and Lee, Hartwick College and Elizabethtown College have in common?

And yes, it has something to do with Duke.
 
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