OT: B1G additions

[JayDogSmooth]

Ah, so you basically devolve down to personal attacks.



More personal attacks.

All you have is what "may" happen - research funding "may" go up; they "may" get AAU status in the future.

Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland brought a TON of research dollars immediately along with already being AAU members. Rutgers and Maryland also brought immediate access to the east coast from Connecticut down to Virginia along with the urban corridor that stretches from NYC to DC. That's access to a helluva lot of political power, economic forces and research dollars.



Another personal attack and I will ban both of your ID's.

Personal attacks? Wow - I guess our definitions vastly differ on that term.

We’ve got an 11 page dissertation that started off on the merits of liberty versus Oregon that turned into a political disaster on page 2, and we’re thinking about banning me because I’m questioning you continuing to make fun of NIL?

My beef is you’re openly mocking the one main thing that will determine our success.

I do not love NIL and it’s current form as there is little to no regulation.

Additionally, I do not love the transfer portal as that is also a major issue.

However, Whether we like it, or not, neither is going away.

Additionally, John and Geo respectively are both doing Yeomans’s work to raise money in these difficult times, and I do not feel it is helping them, or the athletic department one bit by continuing to openly mock something that they have both worked extremely hard for, and again, whether we like it, or not, which will determine our future success in athletics on a whole.

If you’d like to take this off-line, I’m open to discussing any issues that you have with me.

But I am personally offended when somebody in your position continues to openly denigrate NIL, as we all consider ourselves true fans, love, Rutgers athletics, and want to see them succeed at the highest level, and Schiano amongst others has said that NIL is the key to our future.

If any of these facts deserve a banning, I’m not gonna argue as you are the one in charge.

But Nothing I’ve said is untrue, not factual, or can be disputed in anyway, shape or form.

NIL is here to stay. it existed illegally before, and will continue to evolve as time goes on.

I hope is a fan base can embrace it in order to see Rutgers athletics succeed at an elite level

 

[Hardslider33]

Ehhh I just can't see it happening. Massive fan base with large donor base, 3 natty's in the past 40 years and resorces to compete

You think they are in the position to add sports? B1G isn’t the SEC where 18 teams are competing. I believe 24 is a minimum, OSU has 35 & PSU has 32

 

[JayDogSmooth]

You think they are in the position to add sports? B1G isn’t the SEC where 18 teams are competing. I believe 24 is a minimum, OSU has 35 & PSU has 32

Clemson? I’m not privy to their ability to do add

 

[Hardslider33]

Clemson? I’m not privy to their ability to do add

How many teams does FSU have?

 

[JayDogSmooth]

18

How many teams does FSU have?

18 total
8 men’s
10 women’s

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

TY, that's the article I was referencing.

FSU Festivus article cites a couple of Tweets from JDS sock puppets.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

FSU Festivus article cites a couple of Tweets from JDS sock puppets.

Today would’ve been a good day to attend church and discover once, and for all, which religion is right (or more likely in your case, discover any kind of religion)

Anyway, the Democrat has never posted any relocation articles to my knowledge.

So the fact that the Hometown paper is going public with something like this has a lot of people doing a double take

Stay tuned as the BOT meeting on 1/31 could be significant

 

[matty666]

Honestly, I’m not sure they would get a full payout right away

I’m not privy to that type of information, just spitballing maybe they get a 75% payout off the jump and then work their way up.

They are not at the statue of Notre Dame, who can demand a full payout right off the bat

Why give ND a full payout? The are utterly useless except for Football. And they won't ever join the Big 10 willingly. They need the ACC to dissolve. Until then they will stay w what ever is left once FSU leaves. They want the easiest football schedule they can get.

Clemson should have left while they were good. Now there reverted back to the 9-3 team they always were. Maybe the SEC takes them. Big 10 would be better off w Miami and FSU. Adds the state of Fl. Both schools good enough in Bball too. Lacking in the Olympic sports but to this is about TV sets and revenue it makes sense.

I also think Carolina doesn't give a rats *** about football and are Big Easting the ACC

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Why give ND a full payout? The are utterly useless except for Football. And they won't ever join the Big 10 willingly. They need the ACC to dissolve. Until then they will stay w what ever is left once FSU leaves. They want the easiest football schedule they can get.

Clemson should have left while they were good. Now there reverted back to the 9-3 team they always were. Maybe the SEC takes them. Big 10 would be better off w Miami and FSU. Adds the state of Fl. Both schools good enough in Bball too. Lacking in the Olympic sports but to this is about TV sets and revenue it makes sense.

I also think Carolina doesn't give a rats *** about football and are Big Easting the ACC

Notre Dame has the cachet to demand a full payout, I don’t think that would be a sticking point for the Big Ten not to admit them

Two schools in the same state may be overkill in regard to FSU in Miami joining the B1G

Carolina always will be basketball centric, but after Notre Dame, they are the top target for the conferences for a variety of reasons

 

[bigmatt718]

Notre Dame has the cachet to demand a full payout, I don’t think that would be a sticking point for the Big Ten not to admit them

Two schools in the same state may be overkill in regard to FSU in Miami joining the B1G

Carolina always will be basketball centric, but after Notre Dame, they are the top target for the conferences for a variety of reasons

Clemson to me doesn't fit the B1G in any way shape or form. Give me FSU and one of Miami/UNC.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Clemson to me doesn't fit the B1G in any way shape or form. Give me FSU and one of Miami/UNC.

I think Clemson is definitely more SEC centric, and honestly do have somewhat of a hard time seeing him in the Big Ten culturally, but ultimately money talks

 

[kupuna133]

Clemson to me doesn't fit the B1G in any way shape or form. Give me FSU and one of Miami/UNC.

If Clemson doesn’t belong then Miami definitely doesn’t belong.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

If Clemson doesn’t belong then Miami definitely doesn’t belong.

Disagree on that, Miami is way more culturally aligned to the northeast.

Tons of North easterners live down there, their kids go there, and it is way more New York eccentric than Clemson

It’s essentially a Haven for private school kids to spend four years of their life at

Miami the SEC would be pretty weird

But admitelly, I wish nothing but mediocrity and misery in the water down big 12, but they fit more into the big 10 than Clemson does

 

[matty666]

If Clemson doesn’t belong then Miami definitely doesn’t belong.

Big 10 would be a Godsend for UM. In the ****** ACC their football stadium is empty except for FSU. They are a very well thought of research school and have a ton of money. Their only issue is small alumni and small private school situation. But their Miami/Dade Fl status would is NY Like. We have about 6 million people in Miami Dade/Broward/and Palm Beach counties.

Thst to me is worth as much as ND. Who's football team would be 8-4 most years in the Big 10 East.

I honestly dont think ND is truely worth more than a Miami or a Carolina to the Big 10. I get why the people in the NY NJ area think that. But no one in Florida is in awe of them. Other than to hate them for being the arrogant ******** they and their fans are

 

[Knight Shift]

Personal attacks? Wow - I guess our definitions vastly differ on that term.

We’ve got an 11 page dissertation that started off on the merits of liberty versus Oregon that turned into a political disaster on page 2, and we’re thinking about banning me because I’m questioning you continuing to make fun of NIL?

My beef is you’re openly mocking the one main thing that will determine our success.

I do not love NIL and it’s current form as there is little to no regulation.

Additionally, I do not love the transfer portal as that is also a major issue.

However, Whether we like it, or not, neither is going away.

Additionally, John and Geo respectively are both doing Yeomans’s work to raise money in these difficult times, and I do not feel it is helping them, or the athletic department one bit by continuing to openly mock something that they have both worked extremely hard for, and again, whether we like it, or not, which will determine our future success in athletics on a whole.

If you’d like to take this off-line, I’m open to discussing any issues that you have with me.

But I am personally offended when somebody in your position continues to openly denigrate NIL, as we all consider ourselves true fans, love, Rutgers athletics, and want to see them succeed at the highest level, and Schiano amongst others has said that NIL is the key to our future.

If any of these facts deserve a banning, I’m not gonna argue as you are the one in charge.

But Nothing I’ve said is untrue, not factual, or can be disputed in anyway, shape or form.

NIL is here to stay. it existed illegally before, and will continue to evolve as time goes on.

I hope is a fan base can embrace it in order to see Rutgers athletics succeed at an elite level

Maybe I missed it, but where/how has he openly "denigrated" NIL.

And I think you are misunderstanding the role of a moderator on this board. It is an unpaid, volunteer thing to moderate content, not to set a tone on any one topic. They are not board owners or in any way directly affiliated with Rutgers Athletics. Moderators are people too, and they are allowed to express their opinions on topics.

 

[T2Kplus20]

This is phony

No idea whether this report is true or not, but FSU definitely wants out of the ACC (and so does Clemson).

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Maybe I missed it, but where/how has he openly "denigrated" NIL.

And I think you are misunderstanding the role of a moderator on this board. It is an unpaid, volunteer thing to moderate content, not to set a tone on any one topic. They are not board owners or in any way directly affiliated with Rutgers Athletics. Moderators are people too, and they are allowed to express their opinions on topics.

He’s openly mocking it and has done it on multiple occasions

I understand it’s unpaid volunteer, and for that I give him credit and it’s not something I’d ever wanna do

But along with that, his opinion is valued by others, to the point or openly being against that NIL is not healthy in my opinion

Let me ask you this, what other major division, college football board with championship aspirations for their school has people in charge, mocking the one thing that can, and will, dictate their future success?

Everyone is entitled their opinion, but when you were in a position of power like that, I don’t believe it’s in the best interest to mock something that is at the forefront of every school from here on out, specially when John and Geo both post on here and are doing their best to raise money to succeed athletically

 

[Knight Shift]

He’s openly mocking it and has done it on multiple occasions

I understand it’s unpaid volunteer, and for that I give him credit and it’s not something I’d ever wanna do

But along with that, his opinion is valued by others, to the point or openly being against that NIL is not healthy in my opinion

Let me ask you this, what other major division, college football board with championship aspirations for their school has people in charge, mocking the one thing that can, and will, dictate their future success?

Everyone is entitled their opinion, but when you were in a position of power like that, I don’t believe it’s in the best interest to mock something that is at the forefront of every school from here on out, specially when John and Geo both post on here and are doing their best to raise money to succeed athletically

You are being a Pollyanna.
I value the moderators' opinions no more than anyone else's on these boards. As a matter of fact, on many points, I value their opinions less than others.

The board King is @beaced . Always has been, always will be. No question. Amirite @e5fdny

Next up is @gef21 - he is the prince of the board and King in waiting. His posts are invaluable.

A few others that post a lot of worthwhile thoughts because they have football knowledge are @RUskoolie , @kupuna133 and @yesrutgers01 . There are a lot more.

And of course the mods/writers, including @Richard Schnyderite , @mb5789 and @Craig Epstein - yeah, I'm an asskisser.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

You are being a Pollyanna.
I value the moderators' opinions no more than anyone else's on these boards. As a matter of fact, on many points, I value their opinions less than others.

The board King is @beaced . Always has been, always will be. No question. Amirite @e5fdny

Next up is @gef21 - he is the prince of the board and King in waiting. His posts are invaluable.

A few others that post a lot of worthwhile thoughts because they have football knowledge are @RUskoolie , @kupuna133 and @yesrutgers01 . There are a lot more.

And of course the mods/writers, including @Richard Schnyderite , @mb5789 and @Craig Epstein - yeah, I'm an asskisser.

I’m being honest

Someone in authority shouldn’t be degrading the main thing that’s going to determine our success

That’s not rocket science, it’s common sense

 

[Knight Shift]

I’m being honest

Someone in authority shouldn’t be degrading the main thing that’s going to determine our success

That’s not rocket science, it’s common sense

Here's where you may be wrong.

1. They are not in "authority". They are like mall cops (sorry mods, I love ya!), except they don't get paid.

2. The main thing that is going to determine our success is multifaceted. As always, solid recruiting and coaching and development will be important. We are not naive. We know that to get the top recruits out of high schools and the portal, NIL is a factor. But it is not the ONLY factor. And NIL as it stands now will change in the near future. I guarantee it.

We are fairly significant donors, and we have given zero to NIL, and it will stay that way for a while because we are in a multi year huge commitment to another fund that cannot be redirected. We only allot so much money to this folly called college athletics. We established an academic endowed scholarship and gave in other others, and there are other places we plan to donate to that contribute much more to society than a silly football team.

You be you. And that d-bag 365 whomever and his/her/their alter ego can STFU with their catcalling and name-calling of those that are not on board with NIL as it is now. They are actually doing more harm than good with their approach.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Here's where you may be wrong.

1. They are not in "authority". They are like mall cops (sorry mods, I love ya!), except they don't get paid.

2. The main thing that is going to determine our success is multifaceted. As always, solid recruiting and coaching and development will be important. We are not naive. We know that to get the top recruits out of high schools and the portal, NIL is a factor. But it is not the ONLY factor. And NIL as it stands now will change in the near future. I guarantee it.

We are fairly significant donors, and we have given zero to NIL, and it will stay that way for a while because we are in a multi year huge commitment to another fund that cannot be redirected. We only allot so much money to this folly called college athletics. We established an academic endowed scholarship and gave in other others, and there are other places we plan to donate to that contribute much more to society than a silly football team.

You be you. And that d-bag 365 whomever and his/her/their alter ego can STFU with their catcalling and name-calling of those that are not on board with NIL as it is now. They are actually doing more harm than good with their approach.

That’s fair

I agree, NIL needs to and will change
Regulation and some sort of structure is essential

I commend you for donating, and would never criticize anyone for not donating to NIL (whether there is against what they believe in, if they do not have the funds, if they do not want to, or unlike your case, if they have funds already alligator to Other Things)

It’s a personal decision that everyone has to make for themselves

I have no idea who 365 is. I’m merely stating my opinion on it, and I’ve never criticize, nor criticize, anyone who does not want to donate

The only thing I have said is that if you are not willing to donate to NL, then you have to expect moderate results and success

Absent of a whale donor or the fan buying in or the fambase buying in as a whole, we would need corporations and businesses to buy to succeed at a high-level in regard to NIL

The challenging, it absolutely can be done in my opinion

 

[Hardslider33]

18

18 total
8 men’s
10 women’s

See you would be required to add also. So FSU isn’t a slam dunk for admission

 

[ru109]

It's not a competitiveness thing, it's a money thing. Presidents are not going to vote someone in to take less. ESPN told the ACC to go for the competitiveness thing and see how that's worked out. UNC and UVA TV markets are coveted and will surely add to the pie. This is about how many eyeballs you can reach in an area, not how many fans or alumni a school has.

Would UNC or UVA really add more money to the pot than FSU?

 

[kupuna133]

Disagree on that, Miami is way more culturally aligned to the northeast.

Tons of North easterners live down there, their kids go there, and it is way more New York eccentric than Clemson

It’s essentially a Haven for private school kids to spend four years of their life at

Miami the SEC would be pretty weird

But admitelly, I wish nothing but mediocrity and misery in the water down big 12, but they fit more into the big 10 than Clemson does

Miami doesn’t fit into the B1G. Outside of Northwestern the B1G are all state mostly land grant highly respected academic institutions. And the B1G is not a Northeastern conference. There are 2 outliers in the conference. Maryland and Rutgers in the B1G. Pennsylvania as a as a state (outside of 2-3 counties outside of Phila) has more in common with Ohio and the midwest than other northeast states. I have family that are alumni and were athletes at Miami. They would all say the same the same thing.

Clemson has become just as sought after by Northeastern students. There are more Clemson flags flying near me in Monmouth County than Penn State and that is saying something in the Manasquan area.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

See you would be required to add also. So FSU isn’t a slam dunk for admission

Lax (men’s & women’s) are rumored to be the next ones added

Mens soccer & field hockey seem like slam dunks

Wrestling & men’s volleyball, or another women’s sport to comply with title 9 would be great

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Miami doesn’t fit into the B1G. Outside of Northwestern the B1G are all state mostly land grant highly respected academic institutions. And the B1G is not a Northeastern conference. There are 2 outliers in the conference. Maryland and Rutgers in the B1G. Pennsylvania as a as a state (outside of 2-3 counties outside of Phila) has more in common with Ohio and the midwest than other northeast states. I have family that are alumni and were athletes at Miami. They would all say the same the same thing.

Clemson has become just as sought after by Northeastern students. There are more Clemson flags flying near me in Monmouth County than Penn State and that is saying something in the Manasquan area.

They don’t fit the ideal Big Ten profile, but they are definitely more culturally aligned than Clemson is

Speaking of Clemson flags, I’m also Monmouth county and I’ve seen a ton of them flying in the last few years

I love it when I see people flying college flags, as hopefully college football becomes more popular up here

 

[Mr_Twister]

Notre Dame has the cachet to demand a full payout, I don’t think that would be a sticking point for the Big Ten not to admit them

Two schools in the same state may be overkill in regard to FSU in Miami joining the B1G

Carolina always will be basketball centric, but after Notre Dame, they are the top target for the conferences for a variety of reasons

Notre Dinero might want more than others!

 

[kupuna133]

They don’t fit the ideal Big Ten profile, but they are definitely more culturally aligned than Clemson is

Speaking of Clemson flags, I’m also Monmouth county and I’ve seen a ton of them flying in the last few years

I love it when I see people flying college flags, as hopefully college football becomes more popular up here

I would say Miami is probably 8th-9th on desired list of candidates for B1G 3-4 slots behind Clemson.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Notre Dinero might want more than others!

There is a lot of talk about unable revenue, sharing happening in the future, and nothing Notre Dame would do or request would surprise me

 

[Shelby65]

Miami doesn’t fit into the B1G. Outside of Northwestern the B1G are all state mostly land grant highly respected academic institutions. And the B1G is not a Northeastern conference. There are 2 outliers in the conference. Maryland and Rutgers in the B1G. Pennsylvania as a as a state (outside of 2-3 counties outside of Phila) has more in common with Ohio and the midwest than other northeast states. I have family that are alumni and were athletes at Miami. They would all say the same the same thing.

Clemson has become just as sought after by Northeastern students. There are more Clemson flags flying near me in Monmouth County than Penn State and that is saying something in the Manasquan area.

JFC….now it’s about land grant ? Stupidity abounds. Of the new 4, only UCLA is land grant and only marginally so since it’s the whole UC system. And USC is private. Same as the biggest fish, ND.

It is only about the money. If Miami brings in more money than other schools, Miami is the first invite. If not, they’re further down the list.

Rutgers being land grant or public had absolutely nothing to do with the invite.

 

[kupuna133]

JFC….now it’s about land grant ? Stupidity abounds. Of the new 4, only UCLA is land grant and only marginally so since it’s the whole UC system. And USC is private. Same as the biggest fish, ND.

It is only about the money. If Miami brings in more money than other schools, Miami is the first invite. If not, they’re further down the list.

Rutgers being land grant or public had absolutely nothing to do with the invite.

Do you have reading comprehension problems. I stated the make up and history of the B1G.

Mods. I don’t complain about posters but Why do we allow this ******* to exist on our forum. He admittedly is not a fan of the program, openly spews ignorance and is hostile to most of the posters on this site. Can we get rid of this guy already.

 

[Hardslider33]

Lax (men’s & women’s) are rumored to be the next ones added

Mens soccer & field hockey seem like slam dunks

Wrestling & men’s volleyball, or another women’s sport to comply with title 9 would be great

If that’s happening then it will help

 

[JayDogSmooth]

If that’s happening then it will help

There’s no money for that now, unfortunately, which is a reason number 58 by the need to leave the ACC is Urgent

 

[Knight Shift]

Miami doesn’t fit into the B1G. Outside of Northwestern the B1G are all state mostly land grant highly respected academic institutions. And the B1G is not a Northeastern conference. There are 2 outliers in the conference. Maryland and Rutgers in the B1G. Pennsylvania as a as a state (outside of 2-3 counties outside of Phila) has more in common with Ohio and the midwest than other northeast states. I have family that are alumni and were athletes at Miami. They would all say the same the same thing.

Clemson has become just as sought after by Northeastern students. There are more Clemson flags flying near me in Monmouth County than Penn State and that is saying something in the Manasquan area.

The Penn State flags keep disappearing . . . . .

 

[koleszar]

Would UNC or UVA really add more money to the pot than FSU?

Yes, through their TV markets. It's all in what the networks are willing to pay and commercials pay for that, everything else is peanuts. So, AD execs care about one thing, how many people are in the area their commercial will air. Its why Rutgers was so coveted. It wasn't their competitiveness or how many fans they had, but they were located right next to the #1 TV market in the US.

In ranking the TV markets Charlotte is #24/Raleigh-Durham is #26 for UNC. Washington DC is #9 for Virginia. Florida St. out in Tallahassee is #105. Will they carry Jacksonville #48, 170 miles away, maybe. But the jewel of Florida is Miami #16 some 490 miles away from Florida St. .

 

[kupuna133]

The Penn State flags keep disappearing . . . . .

Yep. Sorry to say I am friends with a couple both PSU grads. Daughter is a frosh at Clemson. They are all orange now. Paw flag and Peter Millar polos. Hahahaah

 

[Shelby65]

Do you have reading comprehension problems. I stated the make up and history of the B1G.

Mods. I don’t complain about posters but Why do we allow this ******* to exist on our forum. He admittedly is not a fan of the program, openly spews ignorance and is hostile to most of the posters on this site. Can we get rid of this guy already.

Look at your own words, Beavis. You spoke of FIT using land grant and public as criteria. Now you are refuting yourself. Joke.

And btw show me where ‘admittedly I’m not a fan of the program’. In an imaginary forum in your head ? Is that where I’m also a Cuse fan ?

 

[Knight Shift]

Yep. Sorry to say I am friends with a couple both PSU grads. Daughter is a frosh at Clemson. They are all orange now. Paw flag and Peter Millar polos. Hahahaah

The ones in my neck of the woods. . .. they keep blowing away!
There is one that I pass on my weekend mountain bike ride that I'd love to make disappear, but these darn Ring doorbell cameras ruin all that fun we used to have.

 

[kupuna133]

Look at your own words, Beavis. You spoke of FIT using land grant and public as criteria. Now you are refuting yourself. Joke.

You really are that stupid. At what point did I say criteria or necessary. I pointed out the make up of the conference. I’m done with this guy. And if the mods don’t start policing this place. You will have far fewer posters. We have already lost quite a few because of all the trolls.

 

[bigmatt718]

Big 10 would be a Godsend for UM. In the ****** ACC their football stadium is empty except for FSU. They are a very well thought of research school and have a ton of money. Their only issue is small alumni and small private school situation. But their Miami/Dade Fl status would is NY Like. We have about 6 million people in Miami Dade/Broward/and Palm Beach counties.

Thst to me is worth as much as ND. Who's football team would be 8-4 most years in the Big 10 East.

I honestly dont think ND is truely worth more than a Miami or a Carolina to the Big 10. I get why the people in the NY NJ area think that. But no one in Florida is in awe of them. Other than to hate them for being the arrogant ******** they and their fans are

Plus how many B1G alums live in the Miami area as retirees? I'm willing to bet FAR more than a remote part of South Carolina where Clemson is.