OT: Barkley considering sitting out this season

[DJ Spanky]

Perhaps he should talk to Le'Veon Bell about how well that worked out for him.

Saquon Barkley considering sitting out 2023 season in 'f--- you' to Giants after failed contract negotiations

 

[Jtung230]

Think it’s the right move. Different story then Bell.

 

[WhiteBus]

Think it’s the right move. Different story then Bell.

How is it different?

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

I’ll never understand why the NFLPA allows DP tags. I’m sympathetic to Barkley up to a point. However, RBs don’t get big bags in the NFL. The Giants should either pay him or trade him. I suspect this mess will end up ruining the Giants season.

 

[Plum Street]

I’ll never understand why the NFLPA allows DP tags. I’m sympathetic to Barkley up to a point. However, RBs don’t get big bags in the NFL. The Giants should either pay him or trade him. I suspect this mess will end up ruining the Giants season.

They don’t just “allow” it . It’s something they collectively bargained

 

[DJ Spanky]

How is it different?

That's what I'd like to know.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Never thought I would see the day where Evan Engram gets a better deal than Barkley

 

[RUDiddy777]

Love Barkley, but he seems to think he’s playing in a different decade. Giants offered him a very fair deal.

 

[Shelby65]

We all know, and Saquan knows, RB isn't as relevant in today's NFL. Rules and metrics favor passing. There is nothing unfair about it.

And this relates to my major beef with the Schiano philosophy, hire and playcalling (yes HIS playcalling, vis-a-vis HIS playbook).

Even in the NFL with roughly equal talent on all teams via the draft, trades and free-agency, a run-heavy offense is a recipe for losing. Passing wins. It's obvious; it's why teams don't emphasize running anymore.

In our case, obviously undertalented and undersized compared to the teams in our conference, a run-oriented offense is certain to fail. Heck, it's not even working at Nebraska or Wisconsin anymore. UW hired a guy who had an explosive offense at Cinci and not status-quo Leonhard. Don't forget OSU hired Ryan Day (the OC), not Schiano (the DC) despite Day having much less experience.

Perhaps at LSU, Michigan and Texas, almost always with a talent and size advantage, running works. But not here. We need imagination and unpredictability, two critical things Schiano isn't capable of.

2.O was destined to be a bust....and we see it already not even halfway through his contract. Running the ball and playing D won't ever work with equal or less talent, which is our position in the conference. And with the predestined losing, it will continue to be. 8 years of our lives and $32M of RU money better spent on someone else completely wasted.

 

[RUDiddy777]

I’ll never understand why the NFLPA allows DP tags. I’m sympathetic to Barkley up to a point. However, RBs don’t get big bags in the NFL. The Giants should either pay him or trade him. I suspect this mess will end up ruining the Giants season.

Only reason it’s even a tough decision is because he’s a great guy and the fans love him. It’s a no brainer from a business perspective.

 

[T2Kplus20]

How is it different?

It's not.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

They don’t just “allow” it . It’s something they collectively bargained

My bad - I should have posted that I’m shocked the PA ever agreed to the Franchise Tag.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

Only reason it’s even a tough decision is because he’s a great guy and the fans love him. It’s a no brainer from a business perspective.

Yeah - this is true. RBs are more easily replaced than a QB.

 

[Zak57]

Barkley only hurts himself if he ends up sitting out.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Barkley only hurts himself if he ends up sitting out.

Any money lost will never be recovered. And he risks a younger RB coming in and doing well.

 

[WhiteBus]

My bad - I should have posted that I’m shocked the PA ever agreed to the Franchise Tag.

Seriously? It's a gold mine for them. Barkley isn't worth $10 million on the open market. Pollard is getting the same. Will make 3x his career salary. He is thrilled!

 

[Jtung230]

How is it different?

SB is the offense for the Giants. Giants fan can just take the year off too. Bell was a nice compliment but they had a passing game and can plug RB. Giants don’t have that luxury. It’s a lose lose situation.

 

[T2Kplus20]

SB is the offense for the Giants. Giants fan can just take the year off too. Bell was a nice compliment but they had a passing game and can plug RB. Giants don’t have that luxury. It’s a lose lose situation.

LOL! Bell had more yards from scrimmage and touchdowns than SB (and back to back excellent seasons).

 

[WhiteBus]

SB is the offense for the Giants. Giants fan can just take the year off too. Bell was a nice compliment but they had a passing game and can plug RB. Giants don’t have that luxury. It’s a lose lose situation.

SB had a good year last year. He wasn't good for most of his career. Nobody is going to give him a long term contract after missing a year for a 28 year old running back. He had a total of 593 yards the year before! The big difference now is no one pays a running back anymore.

 

[Jtung230]

LOL! Bell had more yards from scrimmage and touchdowns than SB (and back to back excellent seasons).

Pitt had Big Ben, Brown and Juju. Who does the Giants have?

 

[Jtung230]

SB had a good year last year. He wasn't good for most of his career. Nobody is going to give him a long term contract after missing a year for a 28 year old running back. He had a total of 593 yards the year before! The big difference now is no one pays a running back anymore.

No one is disputing that. RB just doesn’t have the same value anymore. But the Giants doesn’t have anything else.

 

[WhiteBus]

Pitt had Big Ben, Brown and Juju. Who does the Giants have?

Here is a lesson for you. Go look at what happened to the Cowboys after signing Ezekiel to his second contract. Barkley was never good as Elliot in their first few years. It a passing game if you haven't noticed. You pay receivers and tight ends. Running backs are a dime a dozen. If you are counting on your running back to lead the team you will never win in the playoffs.

 

[Jtung230]

Here is a lesson for you. Go look at what happened to the Cowboys after signing Ezekiel to his second contract. Barkley was never good as Elliot in their first few years. It a passing game if you haven't noticed. You pay receivers and tight ends. Running backs are a dime a dozen. If you are counting on your running back to lead the team you will never win in the playoffs.

You actually quoted me listing QB and WRs as the difference between Bell vs SB. Again, I agree with you about RBs value. BUT the Giants O w/o SB is going to be like watching Rutgers O last year. RB is not as valuable unless you don’t have a QB or WRs.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Love Barkley, but he seems to think he’s playing in a different decade. Giants offered him a very fair deal.

The funny things is that the Steelers did the very same thing with Le'Veon Bell, yet he declined their offer and, in the long run, earned a helluva lot less money.

 

[DJ Spanky]

We all know, and Saquan knows, RB isn't as relevant in today's NFL. Rules and metrics favor passing. There is nothing unfair about it.

And this relates to my major beef with the Schiano philosophy, hire and playcalling (yes HIS playcalling, vis-a-vis HIS playbook).

Geeze, talk about hijacking a thread to continue to grind your axe for your Schiano hate!

 

[WhiteBus]

You actually quoted me listing QB and WRs as the difference between Bell vs SB. Again, I agree with you about RBs value. BUT the Giants O w/o SB is going to be like watching Rutgers O last year. RB is not as valuable unless you don’t have a QB or WRs.

You don't sink money into losing proportions. And Bell was better the SB. To say that 593 yards is because of no WR is laughable! You don't pay older RB $10 mill for 593 yards. You can get the same guy for a lot less.

 

[RUDiddy777]

LOL! Bell had more yards from scrimmage and touchdowns than SB (and back to back excellent seasons).

LB had the benefit of a QB, WR, TE and offensive line. SB is a much better player and person.

But is he worth 15x what the Chiefs are paying Pop?

 

[WhiteBus]

But is he worth 15x what the Chiefs are paying Pop?

No!

 

[DJ Spanky]

LB had the benefit of a QB, WR, TE and offensive line. SB is a much better player and person.

A better person? No question. A better player.......I don't know, Bell's flexibility is really what made him so great in the Steelers' O. I think Barkley's a better runner, but overall I'd lean towards Bell in his prime.

 

[Jtung230]

Let’s see how the fans feel about this after the season starts. I think it’s a lose lose. Maybe they can’t compete with Eagles no matter what so why not just save the money.

 

[cicero grimes]

So in essence Barkley is de-committing from the Giants. Seems like a habit for the guy. I am joking but i still have not forgiven him for leaving us for Pedd St.

 

[RU Cheese]

Sitting out would be terrible move by SB. However, in his position, the only real leverage he has is threatening to sit out. So it's a fine statement provided it helps get a deal and doesn't come to anything.

 

[koleszar]

Think it’s the right move. Different story then Bell.

Then he'd be doubling up on bad advice. No one's going to pay him close to the $16 mil. he's asking especially after sitting out a year. He'd be costing himself over $10 mil. by not playing this year and no one's paying him the $13 mil. he'd get next year under the franchise tag.

 

[RUInsanityToo]

Let’s see how the fans feel about this after the season starts. I think it’s a lose lose. Maybe they can’t compete with Eagles no matter what so why not just save the money.

Intelligent fans will understand it's not about saving money....it's about cap management. Gettleman left a cap mess, RB's have been devalued and Barkley has already missed about a year and a half with injuries. Any astute GM can't sink too much money into this situation. If Barkley sits out he will pretty much be hurting himself. RBs decline after 28 years old and he will likely never get that money back.

 

[Jtung230]

Then he'd be doubling up on bad advice. No one's going to pay him close to the $16 mil. he's asking especially after sitting out a year. He'd be costing himself well over $10 mil. by not playing this year.

That’s not what I read. The deal breaker is 3mm in guaranteed money. SB was 30% of the O by yds. He is not worth that much to other teams but to the Giants, pay the man the extra 3mm in guaranteed money.

 

[T2Kplus20]

A better person? No question.

He did choose to attend PSU and join that scandal ridden community.

 

[Rutgers85_rivals]

Love Barkley, but he seems to think he’s playing in a different decade. Giants offered him a very fair deal.

What did the Giants offer?

 

[WhiteBus]

What did the Giants offer?

A job for $10 million for 6 months work!

 

[RUPete]

Here is a lesson for you. Go look at what happened to the Cowboys after signing Ezekiel to his second contract. Barkley was never good as Elliot in their first few years. It a passing game if you haven't noticed. You pay receivers and tight ends. Running backs are a dime a dozen. If you are counting on your running back to lead the team you will never win in the playoffs.

You also pay OLs to protect the passer and open holes for an average group of affordable running backs to complement the passing game.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Barkley is far and away the Jints' biggest offensive threat, and showed last year that he is healthy. 1300 yds rushing and 57 receptions. Let's see what the next best RB for the Giants could do. And this doesn't take into account the degree to which opposing teams have to focus on him, which enhances the passing game.

To nickel and dime him on the salary is just stupid.