OT: Barkley considering sitting out this season
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would love if they did that too! I think the contracts ought to be guaranteed for set number of years with renegotiation after each. you are worth your effort and peformance as I see it
I would guess.. wild-assed guess.. it might have been possible to put a clause in his contract that said he could not be slapped with the franchise tag. Would have cost him something in how the Giants valued said contract. Although I suppose it is entirely possibly that the clause would not be valid because of the CBA.. not a lawyer.
Moot now, of course, but, looking back, I think this is kinda lame/crafty by the Giants. They exercised a contract extension clause last year and this year they used the franchise tag to, essentially, give make them the sole option for SB this season. I have found that players have had a no-franchise tag clause.. not sure about rookies though. But since there was a contract extension.. I'd guess it could have been a condition for that extension clause. SB lawyers could have said.. ok to the extension clause as long as you add in a clause that negates future use of the franchise tag. Otherwise, no-thank-you on the extension option clause.
Still.. that $10+M deal is a nice increase for one year... and an NFL in his 6th year? I dunno.. The RB Grim Reaper is moving down to the front row for a better look....
JUL 25 2023 Signed a 1-year $10.091 million contract extension with New York (NYG), including $909,000 of incentives
MAR 7 2023 Offered a 1-year $10.091 million franchise tag by New York (NYG)
APR 28 2021 New York (NYG) exercised a $7.2 million option for 2022
JUL 22 2018 Signed a 4-year $31.19 million contract with New York (NYG)
APR 26 2018Drafted by New York (NYG): Round 1 (#2 overall)
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Sounds like you never played the game. I did. Attitude is everything. There's a world of difference between going for the extra couple of yards and safely running out of bounds. Had the Giants played hardball and Saquon couldn't get a face-saving deal and caved to the tag deal, you would have seen a different Saquon Barkley. Maybe it would have motivated him to play harder, but more likely it would have motivated him not to take chances on an injury.
Jones is actually tied for tenth right now, which I suspect you know, and the people ahead of him are all highly accomplished QBs. Many of the guys behind him are ones that Giant fans would love to have as QB. The guy who sticks out as only have one (9-6-1) winning season is DJ. The Giants got played. But, as I have said, I like Jones and hope he has a breakout year. He now has a much better chance with SB in the fold.
Also, you were dead wrong on the Giants and Barkley not being able to continue to negotiate. They simply could not do more than a one-year deal. But negotiate they did and came up with a different deal than the tag deal.
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Those are high end targets. Bark's was just shy on each of those individual stats this past season. He's never hit all 3 in a season. Only in his rookie year did he reach any of those levels, when he hit on 2 of the 3(missed on the rushing yards).
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Sure Jones had a good RB behind him, but he had a terrible receiving group to work with. Having the former helps, but I'd say the latter is more important for a QB.
Can you imagine if SB "quiet quits" on the season?
Would anyone pay him next year? Would anyone take a chance?
I think his smartest move would be to play his *** off or die trying. Worst case, the fans in the biggest TV market in the land would love him forever, that's worth something. But going the other way? nah.. he cannot do that.. that would go against everything he's been since high school.
Would anyone pay him next year? Would anyone take a chance?
I think his smartest move would be to play his *** off or die trying. Worst case, the fans in the biggest TV market in the land would love him forever, that's worth something. But going the other way? nah.. he cannot do that.. that would go against everything he's been since high school.
* If he does the former, he's Tiki Barber to those fans.
+ Does the latter and he's Mark Bavaro.
To be fair.. Tiki Barber left for national network job... a Today Show host. Pretty big deal. If he were a different kind of person he'd might have been as big as Mike Strahan today. That Olympics C-word banding of Jenna Wolfe.. deserved or not... Strahan would never have failed that test.
I cannot believe he tried to come back 5 years after retiring. He was no Sproles. There have been 36+ year-old RBs.. but not Tiki.
Maybe Saquan could manage it... maybe we'll see.
If you truly played you would likely know that playing softer or in a preventative way often leads to injury. You play to read, react, go all out and hit on every play.
Dad was was a HS teacher with advanced degrees in math and also baseball / football coach.
3 year letter earner in different HS. Was a RB, CB, returned punts and on kickoff team. Grew up playing without pads and kill the guy with the ball. I loved contact and especially trying to run over guys like you who were worried about other things off the field besides hitting something as hard as you fvcking can and running someone over when I played.
Jones is 13th in guaranteed salary. Thats what matters most in NFL salaries.
You really need to study up on your negotiation situational awareness. You claim the Giants got played.....name the alternatives at the time that were preferable and fit under the cap situation that was inherited. Try to pay attention and follow the situation from Gettleman that lead up to Jones new contract instead of thinking in a one dimensional simplistic way. Also think about the constant churn in coaching staff and questionable front office moves by the previous management team.
How 'bout you name all the "MANY" numerous QBs behind Jones in salary that Giants fans would want. Note that Burrows is about to get a huge extension.
Sounds like you didn't make it to the college level. I did. Offers from B1G (which was only 10 at the time!), ACC, and the academies. Played with/against guys who ended up playing on Sunday. Always gave 100% and never worried about injuries. But if you think there aren't guys at all levels "tanking it" at various times you know nothing about football. A disaffected athlete is not an effective athlete. And if the Giants pushed this to the beginning of the season, every reason to believe that that is what SB would be.
Glad to see your dad is smart. Not sure what it has to do with this discussion.
Jones is 9th in fully guaranteed (again, I supsect you're glossing over that.) And the people behind him threw a ton more TD passes than he did last year. Hell, Mahomes is behind him in fully guaranteed. Is he better than Mahomes, Stafford, Goff, Lawrence, Young? The list goes on. He threw 15 TD passes in the regular season last year. Not even 1 per game.
And now you go into, "Well, their hands were tied by Gettleman; you don't understand the situation; they had to do this...." Yada yada yada. If that were true, why were there any negotiations? Why did it take until the last minute to get it done? What could they possibly be negotiating if it were all cut and dried? Why did NFL gurus rip the deal? Total BS. See here: https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/05/nfl-execs-rip-new-york-giants-for-daniel-jones-contract/
And again, you didn't know what you were talking about with all your blustering about having to take the tag.
Well from my seats in Giants Stadium those weren’t cheers whenever his name or likeness was shown on the scoreboard.
And that has nothing to do with the TV thing.
Good for you. I was unfortunatley not gifted enough athletically to make it further.
Disagree on all counts with SB tanking it. Especially since it would hurt any contract future beyond this year. Do you not think potential suitors don't watch every touch in the film room?
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Not sure where you are getting your incorrect facts from. Without any backup or link makes you seem like you're lying. Jones is 13th on the list of guaranteed money.....Mahomes was guaranteed over $140M and Jones at $92M. Are you also unable to grasp where QB salaries are trending and how Jones will end up even lower on the list?
In terms of Jones value are you counting his running skillset and are you discounting the WR/TE situation last year? Seems you pick and choose what you want to meet your existing bias.
Mahomes, Stafford and Goff all made much higher guaranteed money. Stafford and Goff will likely be available in a few years if the Giants want them. Young hasn't even completed an NFL pass yet. Lawrence is still on his slotted rookie contract (maybe try to study up on what that means).....has thrown 25 int's in 2 seasons and lead his team to a 12-22 record in that time. He may turn out to be great.....and in his 2nd contract will make a lot more guaranteed than Jones. You said "the list goes on".....aside from hyperbole who else you got on your "MANY" list?
I guess you're looking for shallow answers to satisfy your bias and don't need to study and review a situation from different sides in denigrating the situational history and providing a link about competing NFL execs ripping the deal.....perhaps look for a deeper understanding. Thought that was what
professors did instead of just mailing it in. Look at the Giants cap situation, available QBs at the time and salaries they commanded, amount of guaranteed money and how it was layed out, dead cap money in the last year to give the Giants an out if they need, first year cap hit etc. Thought you were some type of prodigy super smart PhD guy......silly stupid me shouldn't have to do all this mental machinations for you.
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I thought Tiki was booed after he retired because of the comments he made on NBC national broadcast about Eli. Can't recall anything he did before that except the fumbling thing which was corrected.
I thought Tiki was booed after he retired because of the comments he made on NBC national broadcast about Eli. Can't recall anything he did before that except the fumbling thing which was corrected.
I remember a play late in his career where it looked like Tiki got KO'd by a hit and fell limply to the turf. He might have fumbled on the play but I don't really remember.
I never thought he "quiet quit", but I always thought he was rattled by that play, and a season or two after that, he retired.
Definitely retired with me wanting to see him continue, he was still very good, but I can certainly understand why any player would retire for health considerations. It's a brutal game.
You're at it again. If you don't want to get personal, don't do it yourself. And before you accuse people of lying, take into consideration that it could be you who is wrong, or that the other person is simply mistaken. Calling a person a liar is no way to conduct a civil discussion. Up your game if you want to continue the discussion.
Apparently you don't understand the difference between total guaranteed and fully guaranteed (or in the parlance of the site you provided, "guaranteed at signing"). It is the fully guaranteed, or guaranteed at signing, that is what matters here, and is what I used. The rest is only guaranteed if he is still with the club down the road. If you sort your site on "guaranteed at signing" you will magically see that Jones is 9th, not 13th. Or you can use the one I was using (instead of lying): https://overthecap.com/player/bryce-young/10825
All of the guys above him have clearly better records, as do a number below him. NFL.com ranks him as the 18th best starting QB in the league and their rankings have Stafford, Watson, and Carr below him.
I'm not cherry-picking or looking for shallow answers. My point here is simple and has been consistent: The Giants overpaid for Jones and cheaped out on Barkley, and those were two dumb moves, one influencing the other. You have provided absolutely zero to counter that argument. Instead you shuck and jive, and move the goalposts. Any objective look at the record to date clearly indicates that the Giants overpaid for Jones, which put them behind the eight ball to a degree in negotiations with their star player, Barkley. Will it cause Barkley to change his attitude? I hope not, and I think not as he doesn't seem to be that kind of individual. But it surely would for a lot of guys in the NFL. To think otherwise is incredibly naive.
Look, I'm a Giants fan for 47 years. I hope Jones becomes the best QB in the league and I see aspects of his game that lead me to believe he could become an elite QB. But he sure as heck isn't there right now. And he took the Giants to the bank in those negotiations.
It's that simple.
he's never been a 'A' back by the numbers swhat his agent is askingo hard to say. He certainly doesn't warrant
Eli sucked, only Giants fans think he was any good
I don't think any Ex-Giant ever tarnished their reputation after their career like Tiki Barber did. Guy was loved by Giants fans and then he did everything you could possibly do to make them hate him. None of the Giants fans I know hold him in high regard.
Oh, I don't know, maybe it was leaving his pregnant with twins wife for some other woman? Maybe?
Do you practice being a nitwit or does it just come naturally?
Oh look. Jacobs won’t miss any games.
Turns out I was right. Luckily I made it public on TKR - because that’s so important.
Although I guess I wasn’t definitive enough since I said “likely”.
Why would anyone be definitive about something they likely have no actual knowledge over?
https://www.fox5vegas.com/2023/08/2...ENDERSON, Nev.,deal told The Associated Press.
I think he did it during career as well
Fans and media suspected it was Tiki and Shockey going to owner and media about Coughlin being too strict. People were calling him "Tiki Tumor" for being a team cancer.
I like him on WFAN but I wasn't sorry when he left Giants.
Strahan too. He complained to the Union about coughlin . Kinda amazing he’s become such a mainstream media star since he was kind of a jerk to the media when he was as playing .
Tiki was an *** the last couple years . After the playoff debacle against Carolina he said they were outcoached
Shockey was a major problem too. That playoff run in 2008 was without him
Shockey set the stage for Beckham.
Giants let Shockey become a bigger idiot as time went on.
He was one of Wellington Mara's favorite players
An excuse was that coaches didn't want to "kill his fire."
You could see he would run off the rails
Beckham was the same story - Coughlin was at a loss about handling Beckham and - he became Shockey 2.0. People blamed Beckham but I saw the Giants let him go to immature. Parcells/Belichick type coach would have been a different story.
I forget if it was Shockey or Tiki who said Eli "wasn't a leader."
Eli was a much better player after Tiki and Shockey left
Shockey suffered from Nuke LaLoosh Syndrome. I think Tiki was after audiences, eyeballs and clicks and didn't care how he got them.
It was tiki . Ironically in all of this , it was tiki in his last regular season game as a giant, who saved coughlin’s job in 2006. Tiki put the team on his back at Washington and got the giants to 8-8 and into the playoffs with the tiebreakers . Tiki was phenomenal that night. Giants lose that game at 7-9, all signs were to coughlin getting canned. Barber rushed for a franchise record 234 yards !!
Coughlin kept his job …Then tiki retired after the playoff loss to Philly…said Eli wasn’t a leader on NBC the following September…and we know the rest of the story.
Think you will see young player start moving to another position. If they have a chance to play RB,WR or DB, they should definitely choose something other then RB
Talented 7ft big men make NBA rosters if they can make threes, protect the rim, and finish.
The devaluing of the RB position stated with the late Alex Gibbs, the OL coach who revolutionized the modern NFL running game with Denver and other teams. His zone blocking system routinely turned RBs who weren't big name stars into 1,500 yard rushers. It took NFL teams awhile to realize that paying RBs big money was a losing proposition.
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