OT: Big Layoffs at ESPN

Roy_Faulker

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Look at it this way if that's the case - we won't have budgets to cut and holes to fill with subsidies from the school.
 

WhiteBus

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ScarletDave

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Exactly. No more talking head shows analyzing LeBron or Tim Tebow's new car etc. ESPN used to be a cool place to go watch weird sports that you don't normally see, like boat racing, the strong man competitions, lumberjack, etc. Now they got rid of a lot of that so they could have 5 people argue over Steph Curry's new hairdo. Hopefully this makes them go back to the original model they were meant for instead of trying to be sports' TMZ.
 

Scarlet_Scourge

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Hopefully they will now focus on sports instead of a bunch of shows with a bunch of idiots recreating message board trolls yelling at each other about stupid stuff that no one cares about.
 

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Exactly. No more talking head shows analyzing LeBron or Tim Tebow's new car etc. ESPN used to be a cool place to go watch weird sports that you don't normally see, like boat racing, the strong man competitions, lumberjack, etc. Now they got rid of a lot of that so they could have 5 people argue over Steph Curry's new hairdo. Hopefully this makes them go back to the original model they were meant for instead of trying to be sports' TMZ.
Agree and I also miss the weird sports - don't forget bass fishing and bowling. Who was that lumberjack that used to win all of the competitions and get checks for like $8,000? They screwed up not getting soccer - lot of live content. If they were smart (remains to be seen), they would focus on sports that kids are playing more (soccer, lax, hockey) and target the next generation of viewers.
 

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God, ESPN use to be the single most talked about "thing" in Jr High and HS halls every single morning and water cooler talk.

"Dude, did you see that highlight from last's night game!?"

"Totally."

30min Sport Center was a religion.

Who actually turns on ESPN anymore?

(You needed the 30min Sport Center because sports greed with 8pm starts, 11+pm finishes were the norm even back in the 90s)
 

RUJohnny99

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The simple fact that ESPN HAS 40 "on air personalities" to cut shows the problem. If they each only worked one day, that works out to 5.7 per day.

Agree with the others, use that savings on oddball sports. I miss Australian rules football & sobering up on Sunday morning to fishing shows.
 

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ESPN has 4 channels (ESPN, 2, U, News). That means they have 672 hours of airtime to fill every week.

If it's not live sports, it is either talking heads or repeats. Unless they go the route of airing reality shows and movies, there's not much other choice.
 

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Agree and I also miss the weird sports - don't forget bass fishing and bowling. Who was that lumberjack that used to win all of the competitions and get checks for like $8,000? They screwed up not getting soccer - lot of live content. If they were smart (remains to be seen), they would focus on sports that kids are playing more (soccer, lax, hockey) and target the next generation of viewers.

I am old enough to remember when bowling championships were regularly televised events. Bowling was hot in the 1950s and early 1960s.
 

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Exactly. No more talking head shows analyzing LeBron or Tim Tebow's new car etc. ESPN used to be a cool place to go watch weird sports that you don't normally see, like boat racing, the strong man competitions, lumberjack, etc. Now they got rid of a lot of that so they could have 5 people argue over Steph Curry's new hairdo. Hopefully this makes them go back to the original model they were meant for instead of trying to be sports' TMZ.

That is only one of ESPN's problems. The bigger problem is that they are really unable to cut costs for their rights fees so they have nowhere else to turn (since they've already gutted the rest of their staff) but to cut all of their "talent."

Take for example how much they increased their pay for the NBA. In 2014, even with 3 years to go on their then-current contract, they agreed to increase the annual rights fee for NBA to 1.4 billion. They had previously been paying ~500 million.

This is probably the biggest example of extremely poor business thinking. At that time it was already obvious that ESPN was and would continue to lose subscribers, yet they entered into a deal for another decade that depended on maintaining subscriber fees from 100M. Now that there are under 90M subscribers, they are getting crushed by this deal and others.

Cutting all of their on-air talent over the last year has been like rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. It is small potatoes compared to the fees they pay.
 

knightinaz

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The simple fact that ESPN HAS 40 "on air personalities" to cut shows the problem. If they each only worked one day, that works out to 5.7 per day.

Agree with the others, use that savings on oddball sports. I miss Australian rules football & sobering up on Sunday morning to fishing shows.

My roomates & I, albeit under some "influences" were up til all hours of the night watching Denis Connor beat the Aussies for the America's Cup. Those were good times
 

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My roomates & I, albeit under some "influences" were up til all hours of the night watching Denis Connor beat the Aussies for the America's Cup. Those were good times
We would watch on Friday Poker night. Last hand was the end of the races. We all became great fans, albeit really tired guys on Saturdays!
 

koleszar

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Take for example how much they increased their pay for the NBA. In 2014, even with 3 years to go on their then-current contract, they agreed to increase the annual rights fee for NBA to 1.4 billion. They had previously been paying ~500 million.
Does anybody even watch the NBA anymore, except for the playoffs? I tried watching a game about a week back, I made it through 5 mins.. It was horrible, guys jogging down the court, no one played defense, no passing, immediate shot then proceed the other way. Hell a couple guys didn't even make it down court. It was an absolutely pathetic display of basketball.
 
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I think ESPN is doing just fine, if you look inside the numbers. They may pay too much for rights and talent, but so does every other network. Problem is more that their curve has flattened from high growth to more flat. Cable is going to change in the new digital era. ESPN seems to be astute in assessing changes. Programming will be key. Sportscenter used to be an information source. No longer. I think Comcast is more vulnerable in the digital age.
 

Zak57

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ESPN has been purging talent for awhile now. I wish I could purge them from covering sports.
 

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I think ESPN is doing just fine, if you look inside the numbers. They may pay too much for rights and talent, but so does every other network. Problem is more that their curve has flattened from high growth to more flat. Cable is going to change in the new digital era. ESPN seems to be astute in assessing changes. Programming will be key. Sportscenter used to be an information source. No longer. I think Comcast is more vulnerable in the digital age.

Comcast is well prepared to compete in the digital age. They own content, own delivery methods, and own the internet access that digital users need to have to access content. They are now going to provide cellular/wireless services after buying up airwaves from VZW as well. They know where this is going, and they're going to try to own all of it.
 

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Kenny So with all the blond blue-eyed Fox looking cuties on ESPN who know absolutely nothing about sports you have a huge problem with the one woman who does?

i don't want to hear their opinions and their "knowledge". They should show highlights and give previews, not debate or discuss things. There are stupid debate shows for that.
 

RUfromSoCal?

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They should call it "retro" not cost-cutting........


 

Beancounter88

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Here's how I would fix ESPN. Get rights to non-US sports that have content during mornings and afternoons, like cricket, rugby, curling and Aussie rules football (liked that idea on the board). Buy the rights to some old sports game shows - Home Run Derby, Superstars, Bowling for Dollars, World's Strongest Man, etc. I recently watched Home Run Derby with Mickey Mantle vs Willie Mays - that's crazy. How much could all those rights cost in the US - $100? Can't speak for everyone, but I would definitely watch more.
 

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Sports Center in the morning is now a joke. It's two dorky guys and two pretty good looking women sitting at a small table and talking about sports. It's lame.
 

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Chris Schenkel (sp?) was the announcer.

That sounds right to me. My father watched pro bowling and I think it was his favorite sport -- certainly to participate in (we had several bowling trophies in the house) and I think to watch as well. He had been the manager of a successful bowling team at his job.
 

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No they will need live content even more to keep the channel relavant and on air. Beside live content they will have nothing anymore.

It's going to affect how much money they have to pay out for rights.

People are letting their opinions of ESPN cloud their judgment. ESPN isn't losing subscribers because people don't like the product. ESPN is losing money because the internet is changing the entire cable model. ESPN was making so much money because basically everyone who had cable (or satellite) was paying for ESPN, whether they watched it or not. Now with the internet, people who don't like sports don't have to subsidize ESPN anymore. Now ESPN can't piggyback off those people anymore, and that's why their revenues are falling.

This idea of showing bowling or lacrosse or soccer isn't the answer. Those sports typically bring in low ratings. Many times, these talking head shows get higher ratings than these alternative sports. The underlying problem is simply that the business model is changing.
 

Wolv RU

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It's going to affect how much money they have to pay out for rights.

People are letting their opinions of ESPN cloud their judgment. ESPN isn't losing subscribers because people don't like the product. ESPN is losing money because the internet is changing the entire cable model. ESPN was making so much money because basically everyone who had cable (or satellite) was paying for ESPN, whether they watched it or not. Now with the internet, people who don't like sports don't have to subsidize ESPN anymore. Now ESPN can't piggyback off those people anymore, and that's why their revenues are falling.

This idea of showing bowling or lacrosse or soccer isn't the answer. Those sports typically bring in low ratings. Many times, these talking head shows get higher ratings than these alternative sports. The underlying problem is simply that the business model is changing.

That's the immediate reason ESPN is realizing less revenue than they were previously, but it was certainly foreseeable that this would happen. They made no effort to control their expenses to prepare for it such that they could still be profitable in leaner times.

Also, it is no secret that ESPN ratings are down as well. This is not due to fewer subscribers but because people that were once watching ESPN's programming (like SC) no longer are.

So yes, the business model is changing. However this is not new in 2017, and ESPN did not prepare effectively for it. Moreover, they have done themselves no favors with their content, whose declining popularity certainly gives no reason for someone who may cancel their subscription not to, and which also results in lower advertising revenues.
 

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ESPN is bloated. MEGO @ the tedious topics and over analyzation. They should have held it to Stuart Scott and Boo-Ya!
 

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I think ESPN is doing just fine, if you look inside the numbers. They may pay too much for rights and talent, but so does every other network. Problem is more that their curve has flattened from high growth to more flat. Cable is going to change in the new digital era. ESPN seems to be astute in assessing changes. Programming will be key. Sportscenter used to be an information source. No longer. I think Comcast is more vulnerable in the digital age.

people assuming loss of subs therefore equates to loss of revenue, fail to factor in increases in fee per sub.

as for Comcast being more vulnerable, you mean the Comcast that has more control over the internet in the US than any other entity?

Google, Facebook, and Amazon, could go away tomorrow, and the internet wouldn't miss a beat.

the infrastructure guys are the real power brokers, and Comcast could care less if your 400 channels are delivered in a traditional format or IP or over the top.

and who's to say Comcast couldn't require you rent your modem from them in the future for $30 mo, or whatever rate they wish? (like they now require you to rent your "tuners" and DVRs from them now).

if you think "competition" will protect you from that, does it protect you now from having to rent "tuners" and DVRs from whomever your cable or satellite provider is, for ridiculous amounts?

good thing "collusion" was never invented, or that duopolies and oligopolies would never think of resorting to it, even if it had been.

on the programming front, bundling is the real villain for the consumer in today's cable set up.

wasn't always the case, but it is now.