OT: Cannabis sales opening up in NJ

miketd1

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Last time I tried the stuff was college. Was good for a few laughs, but I just didn’t trust stuff sold out on the street to use with any sort of frequency.

I would be inclined to try it again if bought from a store. The yearly boys trip is a bit weird when everyone is baked and I’m nursing beers.
 
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Next up on the legalization path: hookers. Which is just another vice that everybody does despite it being illegal (in most places). Legalize it, regulate it, tax it. Spend the tax revenue on killing chasing down and prosecuting child-sex and/or sexual slavery rings.
 
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while I certainly agree about McDonalds (as an example of the obesity epidemic) and smoking, I am not sure about coffee. what societal ills are caused by coffee? I can only think of god things - eg., increased productivity and clearing the ole pipes ;)

I'm having some as I type but if I had to argue it, calories and jitters.
 
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Here we go with the name calling. In case you havent noticed, there's an ongoing drug problem here, nationally and globally. Oh, and a pretty unhealthy society as well. Judges are typically classier and smarter than how you are projecting yourself.

Good point on the dependence rates and I dont know the answer. But adding another damaging vice to the arsenal, just because "we dont ban those things", is piss poor rationale. And marijuana didnt make Colorado a healthy state, weren't they always healthy?

It didn't make them unhealthy would be my point, so it shouldn't make NJ unhealthy.

If we are truly a free country, and I like to think we are, people need to be able to use vices in their own discretion so long as they are not hurting others. Eg, not smoking weed or drinking beer on the playground, but if they're adults and not driving, we shouldn't worry about it.
 
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Next up on the legalization path: hookers. Which is just another vice that everybody does despite it being illegal (in most places). Legalize it, regulate it, tax it. Spend the tax revenue on killing chasing down and prosecuting child-sex and/or sexual slavery rings.

This. Would love to see AC have an Amsterdam style red light. End the sex trafficking and generate revenue.

Another issue where consenting adults need to be allowed to make their own choices.
 
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It didn't make them unhealthy would be my point, so it shouldn't make NJ unhealthy.

If we are truly a free country, and I like to think we are, people need to be able to use vices in their own discretion so long as they are not hurting others. Eg, not smoking weed or drinking beer on the playground, but if they're adults and not driving, we shouldn't worry about it.
When it comes to vices, there's always collateral damage eventually.

Just imagine if you lost control of your habit. The loss of a properly functioning @NotInRHouse would affect many people, for sure.

Happens all the time with alcohol, gambling, etc.

I don't smoke, so I'd prefer the status quo. But I'm also a realist and understand change is inevitable.
 

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When it comes to vices, there's always collateral damage eventually.

Just imagine if you lost control of your habit. The loss of a properly functioning @NotInRHouse would affect many people, for sure.

Happens all the time with alcohol, gambling, etc.

I don't smoke, so I'd prefer the status quo. But I'm also a realist and understand change is inevitable.
Yeah, but that's no different from the collateral damage from alcoholism. Or from smoking cigarettes. Or from having an unhealthy diet. Or even from working three jobs, not getting enough sleep, and having one of the jobs involve lots of driving.

There's a balancing point to be determined where the needs of society legitimately outweigh the rights of individuals. It's very, very hard to determine that balancing point in any generalized way (e.g. balance for certain issues in a low population density place is different than balance in a very high population density place).

I tend to lean hard in the direction of individual rights over societal protections even though I know that doing so means more chance of collateral damage. Freedom is hard, as the saying goes, and requires individual responsibility. But I'm not a fan of government being our daddy and mommy and treating us all like children.

And the fact that a particular piece of individual-vs-society legislation makes perfect sense for Manhattan but no sense at all for Akhiok, Alaska means that legislation dealing with that sort of balancing probably ought to be left to the individual cities or towns as much as is possible.

I think the federal government should legalize a bunch of stuff. And that states and counties should try to do the same. Then let individual towns be "dry" or otherwise create legislation that prohibits stuff because it makes sense for them. That way, we get as much freedom as we can without limiting the right of a localized society to strike a different balancing point.
 
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When it comes to vices, there's always collateral damage eventually.

Just imagine if you lost control of your habit. The loss of a properly functioning @NotInRHouse would affect many people, for sure.

Happens all the time with alcohol, gambling, etc.

I don't smoke, so I'd prefer the status quo. But I'm also a realist and understand change is inevitable.

Of course. But I think for the most part we have a society where we teach those consequences and most people can avoid them.
 

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Next up on the legalization path: hookers. Which is just another vice that everybody does despite it being illegal (in most places). Legalize it, regulate it, tax it. Spend the tax revenue on killing chasing down and prosecuting child-sex and/or sexual slavery rings.
I can't believe people have to pay for sex.
Although back in my youth I knew a hooker who always said that the difference between her and married women is that she has many customers while they only have one....mostly.
 
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mildone_rivals

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I can't believe people have to pay for sex.
Although back in my youth I knew a hooker who always said that the difference between her and married women is that she has many customers while they only have one....mosttly.
It's the oldest profession. I think lots of people (men and women) prefer to pay for sex rather than deal with the baggage of a relationship. Or for other reasons, like a spouse who ain't into sex.

I never have paid for it (despite my H&B spiel). But I have nothing against it at all. Legalize it. Regulate it to prevent the kind of ugliness associated with it (i.e. kids, slavery, disease).

It's not like people ain't doing it. Having laws that nobody follows seems dumb to me.
 

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It's the oldest profession. I think lots of people (men and women) prefer to pay for sex rather than deal with the baggage of a relationship. Or for other reasons, like a spouse who ain't into sex.

I never have paid for it (despite my H&B spiel). But I have nothing against it at all. Legalize it. Regulate it to prevent the kind of ugliness associated with it (i.e. kids, slavery, disease).

It's not like people ain't doing it. Having laws that nobody follows seems dumb to me.
Sheep are cheap/free. Just feed them.
 

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Next up on the legalization path: hookers. Which is just another vice that everybody does despite it being illegal (in most places). Legalize it, regulate it, tax it. Spend the tax revenue on killing chasing down and prosecuting child-sex and/or sexual slavery rings.
...then all that would remain is blow
It didn't make them unhealthy would be my point, so it shouldn't make NJ unhealthy.

If we are truly a free country, and I like to think we are, people need to be able to use vices in their own discretion so long as they are not hurting others. Eg, not smoking weed or drinking beer on the playground, but if they're adults and not driving, we shouldn't worry about it.
Understood, but there can be detrimental, long term effects. Also, a quick search on the healthiest states shows Colorado not as high on the list as some might think.
Yeah, but that's no different from the collateral damage from alcoholism. Or from smoking cigarettes. Or from having an unhealthy diet. Or even from working three jobs, not getting enough sleep, and having one of the jobs involve lots of driving.
Ahhh, modifiable risk factors. Now we are talking. Absolutely cut down, limit and eliminate them for better health. But legalizing weed gives the appearance the state is ok with adding another one to the mix.
 

MADHAT1

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hard to smoke a doobie with one of those on
ditch the mask and try this
 

mildone_rivals

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Just a guess.....NJ is going to royally f this up. :)
Perhaps NJ will.

But at least NJ is all about the individual freedoms that define America. As opposed to all those big government, dictatorial, socialist, freedom-hating, anti-American states, like Texas for example, where government wants to tell their citizens what they can and cannot do with their own bodies.

🙂
 

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It didn't make them unhealthy would be my point, so it shouldn't make NJ unhealthy.

If we are truly a free country, and I like to think we are, people need to be able to use vices in their own discretion so long as they are not hurting others. Eg, not smoking weed or drinking beer on the playground, but if they're adults and not driving, we shouldn't worry about it.
Lol what country are you in now?
 

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Perhaps NJ will.

But at least NJ is all about the individual freedoms that define America. As opposed to all those big government, dictatorial, socialist, freedom-hating, anti-American states, like Texas for example, where government wants to tell their citizens what they can and cannot do with their own bodies.

🙂
Freedom of choice is fine but what happens if/when health declines from those choices? And I'm not implying this tips the scales, but it's an additional risk factor to the already unhealthy mass numbers in the state/country. Well, insurance and tax payers will be on the hook in the future for unhealthy choices made now.
 

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Freedom of choice is fine but what happens if/when health declines from those choices? And I'm not implying this tips the scales, but it's an additional risk factor to the already unhealthy mass numbers in the state/country. Well, insurance and tax payers will be on the hook in the future for unhealthy choices made now.
Insurance costs would surely be lower, and tax payers better off, if government prohibited us from leaving our houses at all. Government could also mandate an hour of exercise per day and imprison people who fail to comply.

Freedom is hard. But it’s worth it, increased costs and taxes and all.
 

RUBOB72

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Will the extra income then lead to lower state taxes? At least it should lead to getting rid of the tolls on the parkway and turnpike.

Almost typed that without laughing.
How would you do that exactly ? You spend countless hours wasting time poking at a keyboard. I thought I was bad but mildone you are surely the winner on this board. See you at the spring game …right you are going I hope?
 

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Interesting that some of you distrust and are mocking the CDC. Out of curiosity, where (specifically) are you getting better information?
Can’t resist this…you actually have TRUST in the CDC , a known politically controlled entity the past 3 years during Covid 19 . A disjointed composite of what it once was to people in the USA it no longer has the faith of most people. $$$$$ grabbers get that way over time and the CDC is no different. Tell me why we should have this faith in them? Did they do anything other than vacillate causing confusion and mistrust to this country and the world.. except where it started. HA HA HA HA HA HA… enjoy your day poking that keyboard .GO RU!!!!!!!
 
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...then all that would remain is blow

Understood, but there can be detrimental, long term effects. Also, a quick search on the healthiest states shows Colorado not as high on the list as some might think.

Ahhh, modifiable risk factors. Now we are talking. Absolutely cut down, limit and eliminate them for better health. But legalizing weed gives the appearance the state is ok with adding another one to the mix.

9 is pretty good. Also, 7 of the top 10 are legal states

 
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Next up on the legalization path: hookers. Which is just another vice that everybody does despite it being illegal (in most places). Legalize it, regulate it, tax it. Spend the tax revenue on killing chasing down and prosecuting child-sex and/or sexual slavery rings.
Everybody does “hookers” is that what you just posted? HA HA HA HA HA…EVERYBODY. . HA HA HA HA …
 

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Everybody does “hookers” is that what you just posted? HA HA HA HA HA…EVERYBODY. . HA HA HA HA …
Reading comprehension not working today? I wrote "everybody does despite it being illegal" which means the folks who do it are ALL doing so despite it being illegal, not that everybody does it. Same as pot - all the folks doing it did so despite it being illegal.

The point is, we have (or had) laws against this stuff but people who do it are clearly not dissuaded by those laws. And lots and lots of people are doing both things.

Get it now? I'll try to use smaller words for you next time. 🙂
 
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Reading comprehension not working today? I wrote "everybody does despite it being illegal" which means the folks who do it are ALL doing so despite it being illegal, not that everybody does it. Same as pot - all the folks doing it did so despite it being illegal.

The point is, we have (or had) laws against this stuff but people who do it are clearly not dissuaded by those laws. And lots and lots of people are doing both things.

Get it now? I'll try to use smaller words for you next time. 🙂
Exactly … you first say EVERYBODY and then next saying it’s illegal and then 3rd saying though not EVERYBODY does it. So simply this implies ( in your mind ) EVERYBODY goes to hookers. Perhaps you had to resort to hookers? My take is some have due to having relationship or intimacy issues. The fact the majority don’t. You must be hard up or afraid of having a solid male / female (guess that’s ok here) interaction. Sad… really sad mildone.HA HA HA HA HA HA… Hope you enjoy the innocent mocking in my fu posting.HA HA HA HA
 

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Insurance costs would surely be lower, and tax payers better off, if government prohibited us from leaving our houses at all. Government could also mandate an hour of exercise per day and imprison people who fail to comply.

Freedom is hard. But it’s worth it, increased costs and taxes and all.
Forced exercise for everyone by the government would be highly beneficial for many. I'm all for it. Legalizing a harmful substance, more detrimental than beneficial from an overall, health standpoint. Big difference.
 
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Forced exercise for everyone by the government would be highly beneficial for many. I'm all for it. Legalizing a potentially harmful substance, not as beneficial.
Is that part of the GND or BBB? Let them enjoy the final years of their lives for goodness sakes. Always has to be a party pooper in threads like this.
 
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Strange that none of the dopes that railed against the CDC responded to your question.
I'm guessing that means they aren't super-confident in where they're getting, or if they're getting, better information.

The CDC has a lot of good people working there, like all the federal agencies (like CIA, FBI, NSA, DOD). But the prior POTUS liked to disparage them all publicly eventually leading to it becoming a popular thing to do for some. As if any organization charged with handling such immensely complex problems is never gonna make mistakes, especially, in CDC's case, in the face of a rapidly evolving new pandemic. Add in all the disinformation campaigns from Russia and others, aimed at sowing dissention and distrust of the government, and it's not wonder it's so popular to bash those agencies.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe people have identified better, more reputable, more qualified sources of information about everything the CDC does. If so, I sure hope people will share those great sources.

I'm guessing the only responses will be yet more populist criticism of CDC with no evidence of anything better.
 

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Forced exercise for everyone by the government would be highly beneficial for many. I'm all for it. Legalizing a harmful substance, more detrimental than beneficial from an overall, health standpoint. Big difference.
I'm all for people exercising. I'm 100% opposed to my government forcing it on ordinary citizens. That would be more fit for a totalitarian regime than any freedom loving country.
 
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