OT: carrying guns

[jb1020]

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned here yet as many gun topics that pop up from time to time.

Gun gets fired at pinelake church yesterday, accidental discharge when some guy sits down.

http://www.clarionledger.com/articl...5002/Gun-discharges-during-church-man-charged

I don't own a pistol much less carry one, but I'm completely for people being able to carry them but when stuff like this happens I'm damn near speechless. While I guess it's Not likely, this guy could have killed someone. This church can hold well over 2500 people and is regularly full. We usually attend but the kids were sleeping so we skipped it.

Responsible gun carriers have to be livid at this guy, and people totally against them now have a pretty good example for their argument.

I don't intend for this to be political but feel free to lock if it gets that way. Just curious what the gun guys here think about this.

 

[AlSwearengen]

this is the problem that us gun owners have. People use worn out holsters or aren't careful holstering their weapon (they shouldn't have it out, but i digress) or do some other stupid **** and have an accidental discharge. Basically there are a lot of dumbasses walking around and they 17 things up for everyone else.

There is no way in hell I would carry a gun with a worn out or cracked holster and that is probably 99% of the reason that a gun would go off from someone sitting down.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

The problem to me:

Some people don't think they need a safety...It's in the way.

Many carry a round in the chamber...Like everything revolves around them.

I'm for concealed carry, and open carry, but we seem to have way too many cowboys.

If this offends you, I really don't give a ****.

 

[starkvegasdawg]

What kind of church are they going to where he feels the need to pack heat? He scared of a pew jacking?

 

[Shmuley]

Somebody might start dancing.

 

[Lee Corso]

Here's your sign.

 

[jwbigcreek]

Actually my old co-op roommate's church had a robber once (Pontotoc county). He tackled the sumbitch & another guy got his gun (or vice-versa). And for Karl, a safety will get you killed (or so my bro says). I agree with Al. A dubmass is usually involved with an accidental discharge.

 

[PBRME]

I know a guy that was asked by his pastor to start carrying a few years back. They were concerned after a few nationwide church shootings.

 

[KurtRambis4]

This guy

is just 100% a complete dubmass. That shows exactly no discipline whatsoever. Seriously. How does a disciplined, responsible gun owner have an "accidental" discharge? Answer: they don't. I hate rednecks. They are always 17ing **** up.

 

[jb1020]

There are plenty of off duty/ undercover guys at pinelake for that very reason.

 

[SkullCandy.sixpack]

I never understood the "safety gets in the way" argument." In the time it takes to level your weapon, the safety can easily be thumbed off. At a minimum, you would think you could engage it when you are in a "low threat" environment (church!) and take if off, if you want, when in enemy territory (walking through an empty parking lot at night).

 

[mcdawg22]

Really, "low threat", and "enemy territory", we are not in 17'n Kandahar. It amazes me more of you don't have aneurysms thinking of all the boogie men out there waiting to get you. If I ever run in to a situation where I regret not having a gun, I'll print this page up and eat it on the drill field at high noon the day of the Egg Bowl. Until then, I'll sleep well knowing that not every person I don't know is trying to break into my house. And if they do, they'll promptly be met with a 12 Gauge being racked.

 

[deadheaddawg]

I have no problem with safeties on guns, but people have been carrying revolvers with "one in the chamber" for a long time. Proper holster and proper handling prevents these things.

An idiot that would allow a gun to go off in a church probably isn't smart enough to make sure a safety is on

 

[DerHntr]

Morans everywhere. I am a firm believer in the right to have my gun on my side but I am just as big of a believer in being a responsible gun owner.

 

[Sutterkane]

The first time I read this, I read the last two words with flipped first letters. It had a completely different comedic effect.

 

[Truereb13.sixpack]

Carry to church

Just a personal preference, but when I leave the house, my gun leaves with me. People don't usually go to gun shows, NRA meetings, and firing ranges to commit these crimes we are seeing today. More times than not, they are in places that ban firearms. We have not seen mass shootings at churches like we have schools yet, but it would not surprise me if it happens soon for the reason you mentioned.

 

[stinkfoot]

In a high stress environment, you are going to forget...

Some people don't think they need a safety...It's in the way.

Many carry a round in the chamber...Like everything revolves around them.

I'm for concealed carry, and open carry, but we seem to have way too many cowboys.

If this offends you, I really don't give a ****.

to flip the safety off and find out its on by failing to discharge a round. having to rack the slide to put one in the chamber also takes time. That will be bad news for you. Also, safeties tend to give people a false sense of security. the glock model is a perfectly safe firearm w/ no real safety (has that trigger safety though). I would bet that most accidental discharges are caused by someone being careless because he thought the safety was on. This idiot probably wasn't using a holster. I wish the article had stated the type firearm.

 

[coach66]

Isn't PineLake kind of a cult?* I heard they have ATM's in the lobby outside

the sanctuary, probably not true.

 

[rem101]

This is exactly why my boss carries his. To church and everywhere else.

Just a personal preference, but when I leave the house, my gun leaves with me. People don't usually go to gun shows, NRA meetings, and firing ranges to commit these crimes we are seeing today. More times than not, they are in places that ban firearms. We have not seen mass shootings at churches like we have schools yet, but it would not surprise me if it happens soon for the reason you mentioned.

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[Hail State]

I have no problem with safeties on guns, but people have been carrying revolvers with "one in the chamber" for a long time. Proper holster and proper handling prevents these things.

An idiot that would allow a gun to go off in a church probably isn't smart enough to make sure a safety is on

It's like my old dead granddaddy used to say when someone would ask him if his gun was loaded, "How the hell is it going to go off it's not loaded?"

 

[horshack.sixpack]

THAT explains why they made me shave my head...***

 

[dawg1]

I carry my glock daily with one in the chamber and would not have a carry gun with a safety. In the moment I don't want to have to think about the safety. If a gun is properly in a holster there is no way to have an accidental discharge.

 

[Rebeldude]

There are no accidental discharges. Only negligent discharges.

 

[WhiteShepherd07]

to flip the safety off and find out its on by failing to discharge a round. having to rack the slide to put one in the chamber also takes time. That will be bad news for you. Also, safeties tend to give people a false sense of security. the glock model is a perfectly safe firearm w/ no real safety (has that trigger safety though). I would bet that most accidental discharges are caused by someone being careless because he thought the safety was on. This idiot probably wasn't using a holster. I wish the article had stated the type firearm.

What he said ^. When your heart rate gets to 180bpm you body can only do gross motor skills. A lot of things you think you would do in a situation goes right out the window. Also to add I thought I read where the church goer with the negilent discharge did NOT have a holster for his firearm in his pocket. Which goes with what everyone else has said, have a good holster. I carry full size 1911, cocked and locked. I'd rather be judged by six than carried six.

And to the fellow who said he would eat this page if he ever ran into a situation where he "needed" his gun.... More than likely if you ever "needed" your gun you wouldnt be here to eat this page. That's why everyone carries, hopefully we don't ever need it, but always prepared if that moment ever comes.

 

[SwampDawg]

Well yeah, we kinda are. Have you been reading about the new game in town called Knockout? I realize that packing a gun won't alert me to danger coming up behind me, but I try to stay alert in places like parking lots, and my little pocket piece would give me a warm feeling if I alert to something. Snatch and grab is getting to be an every day ocurrance in lots of places. I am not a big man, and I am up in years. Being armed might not save me or my family or my stuff, but it gives me a good feeling. And I have never had an accidental discharge.

 

[MarriedtoStateGrad]

TV said no holster.

to flip the safety off and find out its on by failing to discharge a round. having to rack the slide to put one in the chamber also takes time. That will be bad news for you. Also, safeties tend to give people a false sense of security. the glock model is a perfectly safe firearm w/ no real safety (has that trigger safety though). I would bet that most accidental discharges are caused by someone being careless because he thought the safety was on. This idiot probably wasn't using a holster. I wish the article had stated the type firearm.

you pegged it. No holster. I have no idea of what kind of firearm either.

I have owned and fired more firearms than I can remember. I loved my Glock witout any safety, except on the trigger which prevented a discharge unless is was depressed with the trigger. I also had double action first shot semi-auto with safeties and used them. If you practice with your firearm you will flip safety off and fire no problem. Make if a habit to practice this on the range. I always keep a round in the chamber.
I do not use safeties or half cock positons on the older single action first shot models like the .45 Model 1911 Colt. You have to draw back the hammer and that is in itself a safety.
Revolvers don't have safeties to speak of (I did see one on some Spanish model once) the trigger pull on modern double actions is fairly strong so a mild touch on a trigger should not set it off. They will not go off if the hammer is struck. No need to be like the old cowboys and keep an empty slot in the cylinder under the hammer. There, Firearms 101, which I can tell you know. And yes, I know I am a little inconsisent with no safety revolvers and semi's. It was the way I was taught.

 

[seshomoru]

This guy had the safety off, bullet in the chamber, gun in his pocket...

at a ridiculously safe (protected by by armed security officers in plain clothes) church service in the suburbs of the suburbs. He's a moron, and he better be glad he didn't it didn't hit anybody because he'd be spending a hell of a long time in jail because he wanted to be cowboy in the infinitesimal chance he needs to get off a quick round in an 8 am service after raising the roof to the latest Chris Tomlin single chord, repeat the chorus forty times smash hit. There is no reason to be packing heat at the early service in north west Rankin County. Absolutely none. The chances of something like this happening, whether you are safe carrying or not, far outweigh the chance that the survival of you or someone else depends on you having that gun.

 

[The Peeper]

Didn't get the story whether this guy was one of the Pinelake volunteer cops or not but true what you say, there are "volunteer" officers at every service there, whether they be cops, troopers, ATF, FBI, etc. I've seen a trooper regularly in uniform but most are in street clothes.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

Really, "low threat", and "enemy territory", we are not in 17'n Kandahar. It amazes me more of you don't have aneurysms thinking of all the boogie men out there waiting to get you. If I ever run in to a situation where I regret not having a gun, I'll print this page up and eat it on the drill field at high noon the day of the Egg Bowl. Until then, I'll sleep well knowing that not every person I don't know is trying to break into my house. And if they do, they'll promptly be met with a 12 Gauge being racked.

I'd rather have mine on me and never need it than to be in that one situation where it could have saved the life or lives of my family members and or me, and not have had it on me. Fed LEO friend told me that if a radical wanted to take out a bunch of conservative Christians, a church would be a prime target. Never leave home without it.

 

[Augustus McCrae]

I am of the opinion that firearm discharges are either intentional or negligent, but not accidental. I'd also like to know more about the situation, type of weapon, condition of weapon, etc. I'm betting this was caused by negligence, lack of discipline, lack of real familiarity with the weapon, or some combination of all the above. The guy is damn lucky he didn't hurt or kill someone.

 

[RebelAlumnus]

in an 8 am service after raising the roof to the latest Chris Tomlin single chord, repeat the chorus forty times smash hit.

this was great. thanks.

 

[fishwater99]

Some people don't think they need a safety...It's in the way.

Many carry a round in the chamber...Like everything revolves around them.

I'm for concealed carry, and open carry, but we seem to have way too many cowboys.

If this offends you, I really don't give a ****.

I agree.. No need to keep on in the chamber.
I can draw my Glock, and have one ready to go in a second.
If you practice shooting like this it will be second nature when you draw to chamber a round.
This makes too much sense.

 

[bgdog]

at a ridiculously safe (protected by by armed security officers in plain clothes) church service in the suburbs of the suburbs. He's a moron, and he better be glad he didn't it didn't hit anybody because he'd be spending a hell of a long time in jail because he wanted to be cowboy in the infinitesimal chance he needs to get off a quick round in an 8 am service after raising the roof to the latest Chris Tomlin single chord, repeat the chorus forty times smash hit. There is no reason to be packing heat at the early service in north west Rankin County. Absolutely none. The chances of something like this happening, whether you are safe carrying or not, far outweigh the chance that the survival of you or someone else depends on you having that gun.

I enjoyed that

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

Unless you're talking about one of Coach34's exes...

 

[BiscuitEater]

According to this site ...

What kind of church are they going to where he feels the need to pack heat? He scared of a pew jacking?

There have been 709 Deadly Force Incidents (DFIs) at Faith-based organizations in the US in the last 14 years (1/1/1999 - 9/09/2013)

275 = Number of DFI's where the "Attack resulted in death of Others"

Go down to the bottom and you discover that ... "Baptist = demoninational affiliation of 160 (22.3%) DFI's to 'lead the league' while the least number is ... "Scientology" = 1 (.1%) incident



http://www.carlchinn.com/Church_Security_Concepts.html

 

[mcdawg22]

I'd rather have mine on me and never need it than to be in that one situation where it could have saved the life or lives of my family members and or me, and not have had it on me. Fed LEO friend told me that if a radical wanted to take out a bunch of conservative Christians, a church would be a prime target. Never leave home without it.

The concern is the point that escapes me. Couldn't somebody sneak behind you and stab you in the femoral artery? Better wear chain mail. If we swim in the gulf couldn't a shark kill you, better not swim in the gulf. I see so many people who fear about statistical anomalies that feel like carry guns are going to protect them, but still continue to smoke two packs of camels, tear up a Barnhill's buffet, and drink a case of Bud while operating a 19 ft CC in the pass. I'm going to piss a lot of people of here but carrying guns comes down to one thing, it's your toy and you don't want people to stop you from playing with your toys. Just like if I owed a Lamborghini and they told me I couldn't drive it because it's dangerous I'd be pissed because it's my toy and I'll do what I want with it. I'm not trying to downgrade the need or social security that responsible gun owners bring to the table, but gun owners that want the freedom to walk into certain places with no real purpose are only doing it to cling to their woobie.