OT: College enrollment and financial issues?

kupuna133

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Kupuna, I wonder if your nephew and mine ever crossed paths. He is from Howell. Not the only kid from Howell at Clemson. Of course, Howell is a very large high school.
Just realized he was there quite some time ago. 2014-18. Feels like it was more recent. The USC contingent were 2018-22 and 2020-2024
 
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Colleges and universities were originally set up for wealthy families and the true brainiacs out there. The curricula reflected that, as well as teh religious aspect that created the idea of higher learning in the first place.

What purpose do they serve now?
I asked Grok to look through Rutgers New Brunswick offerings and classify them by discipline (I doubt it is complete).. my purpose would be to eliminate the "soft sciences" and nebulous humanities which create degreed individuals that need careers created for them rather than finding work that needs the skills they learned.

Feel free to take this list and note which you would eliminate

Mathematics and Statistics (5 majors)​

  • Mathematics
  • Actuarial Mathematics
  • Biomathematics
  • Statistics
  • Statistics/Mathematics

Physical Sciences (10 majors)​

  • Astrophysics
  • Chemistry (Business/Law, Chemical Biology, Chemical Physics, Core, Environmental, Forensic, General ACS)
  • Earth and Planetary Sciences (Environmental Geology, General, Geological Sciences, Planetary Science)
  • Physics (Applied, General, Planetary, Professional)

Life Sciences (8 majors)​

  • Biochemistry
  • Cell Biology and Neuroscience
  • Genetics
  • Molecular Biology and Biochemistry
  • Exercise Science
  • Biology/Biological Sciences
  • Evolutionary Anthropology
  • Biomathematics

Computer Science and Data Science (7 majors)​

  • Computer Science
  • Data Science (Chemical, Computer Science, Economics, Societal Impact, Statistics)
  • Information Science/Studies

Engineering (9 majors)​

  • Aerospace Engineering
  • Biomedical Engineering
  • Bioenvironmental Engineering
  • Chemical Engineering
  • Civil Engineering
  • Electrical and Electronics Engineering
  • Industrial Engineering
  • Materials Science and Engineering
  • Mechanical Engineering

Humanities (30 majors)​

  • African, Middle Eastern & South Asian Languages & Literatures
  • Art History
  • Asian Studies
  • Chinese
  • Classics (Classical Humanities, Greek and Latin, Greek, Latin)
  • Comparative Literature (Advanced Studies, General)
  • English
  • European Studies
  • French
  • German
  • Global Humanities
  • History (Ancient, French, Political Science, General)
  • Italian
  • Japanese
  • Jewish Studies (Advanced Language, General)
  • Korean
  • Latin American Studies
  • Linguistics
  • Medieval Studies
  • Middle Eastern Studies
  • Philosophy
  • Portuguese
  • Religion
  • Russian
  • Spanish (Intensive, General)
  • Speech and Hearing Sciences in Linguistics

Social Sciences (15 majors)​

  • Africana Studies
  • American Studies
  • Anthropology (Cultural, General)
  • Criminal Justice
  • Economics
  • Geography
  • Latino and Caribbean Studies
  • Political Science
  • Psychology
  • Sociology
  • Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
  • Environmental Studies
  • Sport Management

Arts (7 majors)​

  • Cinema Studies
  • Music
  • Theater Arts
  • Art & Design
  • Dance
  • Filmmaking
  • Art History

Business (6 majors)​

  • Finance
  • Marketing
  • Supply Chain Management
  • Management Science
  • Logistics, Materials, and Supply Chain Management
  • Business Analytics and Information Technology

Communication (4 majors)​

  • Speech Communication and Rhetoric
  • Journalism and Media Studies
  • Information Technology and Informatics
  • Communication

Health Professions (5 majors)​

  • Registered Nursing
  • Public Health
  • Health Administration
  • Exercise Science
  • Sport Management

Public Policy and Planning (5 majors)​

  • Public Policy
  • Urban Planning & Design
  • City and Regional Planning
  • Public Health
  • Health Administration

Environmental and Agricultural Sciences (6 majors)​

  • Environmental Studies
  • Environmental Science
  • Animal Science
  • Food Science
  • Biotechnology
  • Plant Biology
 

Anon1754923206

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Colleges and universities were originally set up for wealthy families and the true brainiacs out there. The curricula reflected that, as well as teh religious aspect that created the idea of higher learning in the first place.

What purpose do they serve now?
I asked Grok to look through Rutgers New Brunswick offerings and classify them by discipline (I doubt it is complete).. my purpose would be to eliminate the "soft sciences" and nebulous humanities which create degreed individuals that need careers created for them rather than finding work that needs the skills they learned.

Feel free to take this list and note which you would eliminate

Mathematics and Statistics (5 majors)​

  • Mathematics
  • Actuarial Mathematics
  • Biomathematics
  • Statistics
  • Statistics/Mathematics

Physical Sciences (10 majors)​

  • Astrophysics
  • Chemistry (Business/Law, Chemical Biology, Chemical Physics, Core, Environmental, Forensic, General ACS)
  • Earth and Planetary Sciences (Environmental Geology, General, Geological Sciences, Planetary Science)
  • Physics (Applied, General, Planetary, Professional)

Life Sciences (8 majors)​

  • Biochemistry
  • Cell Biology and Neuroscience
  • Genetics
  • Molecular Biology and Biochemistry
  • Exercise Science
  • Biology/Biological Sciences
  • Evolutionary Anthropology
  • Biomathematics

Computer Science and Data Science (7 majors)​

  • Computer Science
  • Data Science (Chemical, Computer Science, Economics, Societal Impact, Statistics)
  • Information Science/Studies

Engineering (9 majors)​

  • Aerospace Engineering
  • Biomedical Engineering
  • Bioenvironmental Engineering
  • Chemical Engineering
  • Civil Engineering
  • Electrical and Electronics Engineering
  • Industrial Engineering
  • Materials Science and Engineering
  • Mechanical Engineering

Humanities (30 majors)​

  • Chinese
  • English
  • History (Ancient, French, Political Science, General)

  • Linguistics

  • Spanish (Intensive, General)
  • Speech and Hearing Sciences in Linguistics

Social Sciences (15 majors)​

  • American Studies
  • Anthropology (Cultural, General)
  • Criminal Justice
  • Economics
  • Geography
  • Political Science
  • Psychology
  • Sociology
  • Environmental Studies
  • Sport Management

Arts (7 majors)​

Business (6 majors)​

  • Finance
  • Marketing
  • Supply Chain Management
  • Management Science
  • Logistics, Materials, and Supply Chain Management
  • Business Analytics and Information Technology

Communication (4 majors)​

  • Speech Communication and Rhetoric
  • Journalism and Media Studies
  • Information Technology and Informatics
  • Communication

Health Professions (5 majors)​

  • Registered Nursing
  • Public Health
  • Health Administration
  • Exercise Science
  • Sport Management

Public Policy and Planning (5 majors)​

  • Public Policy
  • Urban Planning & Design
  • City and Regional Planning
  • Public Health
  • Health Administration

Environmental and Agricultural Sciences (6 majors)​

  • Environmental Studies
  • Environmental Science
  • Animal Science
  • Food Science
  • Biotechnology
  • Plant Biology
 

NotInRHouse

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Colleges and universities were originally set up for wealthy families and the true brainiacs out there. The curricula reflected that, as well as teh religious aspect that created the idea of higher learning in the first place.

What purpose do they serve now?
I asked Grok to look through Rutgers New Brunswick offerings and classify them by discipline (I doubt it is complete).. my purpose would be to eliminate the "soft sciences" and nebulous humanities which create degreed individuals that need careers created for them rather than finding work that needs the skills they learned.

Feel free to take this list and note which you would eliminate

Mathematics and Statistics (5 majors)​

  • Mathematics
  • Actuarial Mathematics
  • Biomathematics
  • Statistics
  • Statistics/Mathematics

Physical Sciences (10 majors)​

  • Astrophysics
  • Chemistry (Business/Law, Chemical Biology, Chemical Physics, Core, Environmental, Forensic, General ACS)
  • Earth and Planetary Sciences (Environmental Geology, General, Geological Sciences, Planetary Science)
  • Physics (Applied, General, Planetary, Professional)

Life Sciences (8 majors)​

  • Biochemistry
  • Cell Biology and Neuroscience
  • Genetics
  • Molecular Biology and Biochemistry
  • Exercise Science
  • Biology/Biological Sciences
  • Evolutionary Anthropology
  • Biomathematics

Computer Science and Data Science (7 majors)​

  • Computer Science
  • Data Science (Chemical, Computer Science, Economics, Societal Impact, Statistics)
  • Information Science/Studies

Engineering (9 majors)​

  • Aerospace Engineering
  • Biomedical Engineering
  • Bioenvironmental Engineering
  • Chemical Engineering
  • Civil Engineering
  • Electrical and Electronics Engineering
  • Industrial Engineering
  • Materials Science and Engineering
  • Mechanical Engineering

Humanities (30 majors)​

  • African, Middle Eastern & South Asian Languages & Literatures
  • Art History
  • Asian Studies
  • Chinese
  • Classics (Classical Humanities, Greek and Latin, Greek, Latin)
  • Comparative Literature (Advanced Studies, General)
  • English
  • European Studies
  • French
  • German
  • Global Humanities
  • History (Ancient, French, Political Science, General)
  • Italian
  • Japanese
  • Jewish Studies (Advanced Language, General)
  • Korean
  • Latin American Studies
  • Linguistics
  • Medieval Studies
  • Middle Eastern Studies
  • Philosophy
  • Portuguese
  • Religion
  • Russian
  • Spanish (Intensive, General)
  • Speech and Hearing Sciences in Linguistics

Social Sciences (15 majors)​

  • Africana Studies
  • American Studies
  • Anthropology (Cultural, General)
  • Criminal Justice
  • Economics
  • Geography
  • Latino and Caribbean Studies
  • Political Science
  • Psychology
  • Sociology
  • Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
  • Environmental Studies
  • Sport Management

Arts (7 majors)​

  • Cinema Studies
  • Music
  • Theater Arts
  • Art & Design
  • Dance
  • Filmmaking
  • Art History

Business (6 majors)​

  • Finance
  • Marketing
  • Supply Chain Management
  • Management Science
  • Logistics, Materials, and Supply Chain Management
  • Business Analytics and Information Technology

Communication (4 majors)​

  • Speech Communication and Rhetoric
  • Journalism and Media Studies
  • Information Technology and Informatics
  • Communication

Health Professions (5 majors)​

  • Registered Nursing
  • Public Health
  • Health Administration
  • Exercise Science
  • Sport Management

Public Policy and Planning (5 majors)​

  • Public Policy
  • Urban Planning & Design
  • City and Regional Planning
  • Public Health
  • Health Administration

Environmental and Agricultural Sciences (6 majors)​

  • Environmental Studies
  • Environmental Science
  • Animal Science
  • Food Science
  • Biotechnology
  • Plant Biology

RU doesn't need to eliminate anything. We're not IU or WVU and playing that dumb game.

We're now in the position where the state backs us. Finances aren't the problem they once were.
 

mdk02

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And then pay higher sales taxes. 8.25 in Austin, Dallas and Houston.
So they pay 8.25%, which is 1.625% more than NJ and includes a 2% local tax which is not statewide. Neither taxes groceries. You'd have to buy one shitload of stuff before you're paying more in Texas. Hell, the tax on a 30k new car is under $500. and hopefully you're not buying 1 per year.

And then there's gas tax, 44.9¢ in NJ per gallon and 20¢ per gallon in Texas.
 
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T2Kplus20

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Colleges and universities were originally set up for wealthy families and the true brainiacs out there. The curricula reflected that, as well as teh religious aspect that created the idea of higher learning in the first place.

What purpose do they serve now?
I asked Grok to look through Rutgers New Brunswick offerings and classify them by discipline (I doubt it is complete).. my purpose would be to eliminate the "soft sciences" and nebulous humanities which create degreed individuals that need careers created for them rather than finding work that needs the skills they learned.

Feel free to take this list and note which you would eliminate

Mathematics and Statistics (5 majors)​

  • Mathematics
  • Actuarial Mathematics
  • Biomathematics
  • Statistics
  • Statistics/Mathematics

Physical Sciences (10 majors)​

  • Astrophysics
  • Chemistry (Business/Law, Chemical Biology, Chemical Physics, Core, Environmental, Forensic, General ACS)
  • Earth and Planetary Sciences (Environmental Geology, General, Geological Sciences, Planetary Science)
  • Physics (Applied, General, Planetary, Professional)

Life Sciences (8 majors)​

  • Biochemistry
  • Cell Biology and Neuroscience
  • Genetics
  • Molecular Biology and Biochemistry
  • Exercise Science
  • Biology/Biological Sciences
  • Evolutionary Anthropology
  • Biomathematics

Computer Science and Data Science (7 majors)​

  • Computer Science
  • Data Science (Chemical, Computer Science, Economics, Societal Impact, Statistics)
  • Information Science/Studies

Engineering (9 majors)​

  • Aerospace Engineering
  • Biomedical Engineering
  • Bioenvironmental Engineering
  • Chemical Engineering
  • Civil Engineering
  • Electrical and Electronics Engineering
  • Industrial Engineering
  • Materials Science and Engineering
  • Mechanical Engineering

Humanities (30 majors)​

  • African, Middle Eastern & South Asian Languages & Literatures
  • Art History
  • Asian Studies
  • Chinese
  • Classics (Classical Humanities, Greek and Latin, Greek, Latin)
  • Comparative Literature (Advanced Studies, General)
  • English
  • European Studies
  • French
  • German
  • Global Humanities
  • History (Ancient, French, Political Science, General)
  • Italian
  • Japanese
  • Jewish Studies (Advanced Language, General)
  • Korean
  • Latin American Studies
  • Linguistics
  • Medieval Studies
  • Middle Eastern Studies
  • Philosophy
  • Portuguese
  • Religion
  • Russian
  • Spanish (Intensive, General)
  • Speech and Hearing Sciences in Linguistics

Social Sciences (15 majors)​

  • Africana Studies
  • American Studies
  • Anthropology (Cultural, General)
  • Criminal Justice
  • Economics
  • Geography
  • Latino and Caribbean Studies
  • Political Science
  • Psychology
  • Sociology
  • Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
  • Environmental Studies
  • Sport Management

Arts (7 majors)​

  • Cinema Studies
  • Music
  • Theater Arts
  • Art & Design
  • Dance
  • Filmmaking
  • Art History

Business (6 majors)​

  • Finance
  • Marketing
  • Supply Chain Management
  • Management Science
  • Logistics, Materials, and Supply Chain Management
  • Business Analytics and Information Technology

Communication (4 majors)​

  • Speech Communication and Rhetoric
  • Journalism and Media Studies
  • Information Technology and Informatics
  • Communication

Health Professions (5 majors)​

  • Registered Nursing
  • Public Health
  • Health Administration
  • Exercise Science
  • Sport Management

Public Policy and Planning (5 majors)​

  • Public Policy
  • Urban Planning & Design
  • City and Regional Planning
  • Public Health
  • Health Administration

Environmental and Agricultural Sciences (6 majors)​

  • Environmental Studies
  • Environmental Science
  • Animal Science
  • Food Science
  • Biotechnology
  • Plant Biology
Pretty much any major that ends with the word "studies" is BS and should be cut.
 

NotInRHouse

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So they pay 8.25%, which is 1.625% more than NJ and includes a 2% local tax which is not statewide. Neither taxes groceries. You'd have to buy one shitload of stuff before you're paying more in Texas. Hell, the tax on a 30k new car is under $500. and hopefully you're not buying 1 per year.

And then there's gas tax, 44.9¢ in NJ per gallon and 20¢ per gallon in Texas.

And in NJ, you don't need to use a car everyday in much of the populated parts of the state. And in TX, your electric bill will be significantly higher. And on and on.

Again, if it was actually a free ride, more people would have caught on.

Now a NJ wage and living in CDMX, that'd be much closer.
 

NotInRHouse

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Pretty much any major that ends with the word "studies" is BS and should be cut.

Yeah definitely. Why bother having Asian studies, or Eastern European studies, or Middle Eastern studies. We have no need for people who speak those languages or understand those cultures at all. There's no impact on us from those parts of the world.

The cool thing is, as usual, your opinion carries no water, and as other schools make idiotic cuts (WVU for example cutting all foreign languages and IU cutting math) RU just excels and gets all the bright kids and the credit when they change the world for the better.

College isn't a jobs program, never going to be, for obvious reasons. A lot of Gen Z who were told to not be educated are finding out the hard way.
 

CollegeSenior

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Yeah definitely. Why bother having Asian studies, or Eastern European studies, or Middle Eastern studies. We have no need for people who speak those languages or understand those cultures at all. There's no impact on us from those parts of the world.

The cool thing is, as usual, your opinion carries no water, and as other schools make idiotic cuts (WVU for example cutting all foreign languages and IU cutting math) RU just excels and gets all the bright kids and the credit when they change the world for the better.

College isn't a jobs program, never going to be, for obvious reasons. A lot of Gen Z who were told to not be educated are finding out the hard way.
I agree with your reply. I hope you can see why the same reasoning can extend to kids choosing to attend out of state schools over Rutgers.

Both of my kids could have gone to RU. Both went out of state and cost me more. But the schools they chose offered features/opportunities that were important to them that RU couldn’t match. One of those was better study abroad programs than were offered by RU at the time they were in school. My kids took full advantage of them and those experiences have helped them in their careers and life.