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BossNJ

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Stick to your Keansburg beaches kid, the adults are having a discussion. If you have nothing to add better you don't embarrass yourself
Really acquitting yourself well here, bitching and whining about something you know nothing about. Clearly your MO though.

Shame is not in your vocabulary.
 
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fg7321

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its a private project, the government is "leasing" the land to them. Hence why your energy bills will skyrocket as these wind farms are not economically feasible. Since they are doing it to make $$, guess who will pay?

The state is just looking at it as another way of making money but in reality its another tax on the citizens who will pay for it via higher electric bills.
I guess you don't know but every electric bill in NJ has a subsidy for the States Nuclear power plants ??? I'm betting you had no idea about that right???


Tell us that you deplore this Socalism for these huge companies. Right here right now.
 

e5fdny

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I guess you don't know but every electric bill in NJ has a subsidy for the States Nuclear power plants ??? I'm betting you had no idea about that right???


Tell us that you deplore this Socalism for these huge companies. Right here right now.
I have no problem paying for that subsidy so long as we build more of them.

From the linked article:

“The nuclear plants produce 90% of the state’s carbon-free energy and around 40% of the state’s total energy. Wind and solar, other clean energy options, are costly and slow to develop. Without nuclear energy, New Jersey may be forced to turn back to energy sources that produce carbon emissions.

Wind and solar won’t get New Jersey there alone, but the nuclear plants can help, their supporters say.”


The bolded is kind of what’s been said in the thread all along.

I like them all: nuclear, wind, solar, hydro as options. But not going cold turkey.
 
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newell138

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Really acquitting yourself well here, bitching and whining about something you know nothing about. Clearly your MO though.

Shame is not in your vocabulary.
 

fg7321

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I have no problem paying for that subsidy so long as we build more of them.

From the linked article:

“The nuclear plants produce 90% of the state’s carbon-free energy and around 40% of the state’s total energy. Wind and solar, other clean energy options, are costly and slow to develop. Without nuclear energy, New Jersey may be forced to turn back to energy sources that produce carbon emissions.

Wind and solar won’t get New Jersey there alone, but the nuclear plants can help, their supporters say.”


The bolded is kind of what’s been said in the thread all along.

I like them all: nuclear, wind, solar, hydro as options. But not going cold turkey.
I have no problem with Nuclear besides the waste part . No one wants it and its a liability sitting in Concrete and lead lined casks in NJ.

We now have a technology that can start to replace those plants and we are worried about some rich guys view?? or birds or fish or Windmill cancer LOL?? While our planet collapses from carbon emissions?

The same people who if they could would block your beach access but want government socialism to pump sand onto their beaches. The hypocrisy is mind blowing.

Build the Nukes safely and figure out the waste issue. Build the wind-farms. Put solar on every public building and parking lot in NJ. That is the way forward.
 

e5fdny

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I have no problem with Nuclear besides the waste part . No one wants it and its a liability sitting in Concrete and lead lined casks in NJ.

We now have a technology that can start to replace those plants and we are worried about some rich guys view?? or birds or fish or Windmill cancer LOL?? *While our planet collapses from carbon emissions?

The same people who if they could would block your beach access but want government socialism to pump sand onto their beaches. The hypocrisy is mind blowing.

Build the Nukes safely and figure out the waste issue. Build the wind-farms. Put solar on every public building and parking lot in NJ. That is the way forward.
That’s pretty much what I said.

*But in the meantime, while we figure it all out, I’d like to drive my car with out needing an ATM visit every time at the pump.
 

mildone_rivals

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I have no problem with Nuclear besides the waste part . No one wants it and its a liability sitting in Concrete and lead lined casks in NJ.

We now have a technology that can start to replace those plants and we are worried about some rich guys view?? or birds or fish or Windmill cancer LOL?? While our planet collapses from carbon emissions?

The same people who if they could would block your beach access but want government socialism to pump sand onto their beaches. The hypocrisy is mind blowing.

Build the Nukes safely and figure out the waste issue. Build the wind-farms. Put solar on every public building and parking lot in NJ. That is the way forward.
I pretty much agree with all that.

We need to produce more energy than we do today, and at the same time, we need to gradually shift away from doing so using methods that are believed to causing environmental problems.

So nuclear, solar, wind, hydroelectric and whatever other new technologies we use do make this transition, we need to do them. These other technologies will have downsides and will incur additional costs. But it has to happen. And it’s not like our current energy production methods are without downsides and costs.

I understand people’s complaints about the changes. Change can suck. But it’s gonna happen anyway.
 
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e5fdny

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I pretty much agree with all that.

We need to produce more energy than we do today, and at the same time, we need to gradually shift away from doing so using methods that are believed to causing environmental problems.

So nuclear, solar, wind, hydroelectric and whatever other new technologies we use do make this transition, we need to do them. These other technologies will have downsides and will incur additional costs. But it has to happen. And it’s not like our current energy production methods are without downsides and costs.

I understand people’s complaints about the changes. Change can suck. But it’s gonna happen anyway.
Fine.

But not cold turkey.
 
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mildone_rivals

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Fine.

But not cold turkey.
Right. But since it's completely impossible to do cold turkey, doing it all at once was never really an issue.

No matter how slow the switch-over is, and it's been pretty slow so far, people will still complain. And again, I understand and can empathize with the complaints. Because no matter how slow, it's still going to be disruptive and have new costs. And there will be new downsides we didn't have with older energy sources - there are no panaceas on the horizon (yet).

My biggest complaint at the moment is that we need to hurry up and reembrace nuclear. Because the world has actually had many more years of experience w/nuclear and the technology has improved a bunch. So while it's obviously not without it's issues, some of which are admittedly pretty scary, it's still a viable and, IMO, necessary transitionary technology. We need to do it, albeit more safely than in the past.

Until we can get our grid and solar and whatever other new stuff running more efficiently, and more commonly, then we either spew more carbon or we embrace nuclear.
 
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e5fdny

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Right. But since it's completely impossible to do cold turkey, doing it all at once was never really an issue.

No matter how slow the switch-over is, and it's been pretty slow so far, people will still complain. And again, I understand and can empathize with the complaints. Because no matter how slow, it's still going to be disruptive and have new costs. And there will be new downsides we didn't have with older energy sources - there are no panaceas on the horizon (yet).

My biggest complaint at the moment is that we need to hurry up and reembrace nuclear. Because the world has actually had many more years of experience w/nuclear and the technology has improved a bunch. So while it's obviously not without it's issues, some of which are admittedly pretty scary, it's still a viable and, IMO, necessary transitionary technology. We need to do it, albeit more safely than in the past.

Until we can get our grid and solar and whatever other new stuff running more efficiently, and more commonly, then we either spew more carbon or we embrace nuclear.
It’s not too slow right now. As it sure seems like someone is trying.
 

mildone_rivals

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Well my wallet disagrees with you.
Sure. But what do you want done about it? If it were simple to fix, it'd be fixed already.

The impacts on our wallets due to inflation are due to drivers that have been around for decades. It (inflation) was always a risk, always coming. But nobody did anything about it because it was politically expedient not to do so (for politicians from both parties - I'm not finger pointing here).

Now mix in a trade war, a global pandemic, and now a disruptive war in Ukraine, and we wind up with supply being far outpaced by demand in several critical economic sectors.

All of which results in a negative impact to our wallets.
 
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tom1944

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That’s pretty much what I said.

*But in the meantime, while we figure it all out, I’d like to drive my car with out needing an ATM visit every time at the pump.
And what I said earlier in the thread

Build them all and never let any one of them become so essential we are at their mercy
 

RUbacker

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Let me guess, you are a Republican, right?
He probably Is a republican and they are the smart ones that warned the dems that voted for him that this would happen . Not sure what your point is. People need to start voting for Good candidates that are good for the people of NJ instead of voting democratic ” because that’s how we have always voted.”
 

e5fdny

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Sure. * But what do you want done about it? If it were simple to fix, it'd be fixed already.

The impacts on our wallets due to inflation are due to drivers that have been around for decades. It (inflation) was always a risk, always coming. But nobody did anything about it because it was politically expedient not to do so (for politicians from both parties - I'm not finger pointing here).

Now mix in a trade war, a global pandemic, and now a disruptive war in Ukraine, and we wind up with supply being far outpaced by demand in several critical economic sectors.

All of which results in a negative impact to our wallets.
That really didn't change the price that much at the pump. At least not as fast as it happened since the new year.

* And it can be done...

 

e5fdny

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* One station doesn’t count. 🙂

The pandemic affected our cost of living, and I was referring to all kinds of impacts on our wallets, not just gas prices.
I was not.

* Sure it does...you asked and I gave a solution. 😁
 

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But But But privatization and business community will lower costs to taxpayers
if there was competition, maybe... but these entities end up being unregulated monopolies in each jurisdiction. Politicians say they are public servants, but what too many of them is serve themselves and their friends and families from the public's coffers.
 
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RUschool

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Not directly like this ploy to prop up these plants.
So Governor Murphy is supporting nuclear plants with the $300 million annual subsidies.

More about nuclear funding:


The Biden administration is making a big push for nuclear power once again to be a key part of America’s sustainable energy future, which could lead to the first expansion of reactor construction in more than three decades.

The White House requested $1.8 billion for nuclear energy in its fiscal 2022 budget, a 50% increase from last year's levels, with Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm telling reporters at the recent UN Climate Conference that "we are very bullish on these advanced nuclear reactors" and pointing to the emerging technology of small, modular reactors. The House-passed version of the Build Back Better bill also includes between $20 billion and $25 billion in subsidies to keep older reactors running. And the Biden administration says that the country's 94 nuclear reactors will be "absolutely essential" for the U.S. to achieve its goal of a net-zero carbon economy by 2050. Even the environmental group Greenpeace is no longer actively campaigning against nuclear power over its safety issues.
 
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May not be feasible but always thought wind generated by moving vehicles along the turnpike could be a source of wind power. Vertical blades on jersey dividers would block headlights as well. Second idea think rubber hose at gas stations back in the days that rang a bell when you pulled up at the pumps. Somehow capture all that potential energy of vehicles rolling over our highways.
 

RUschool

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So Governor Murphy is supporting nuclear plants with the $300 million annual subsidies.

More about nuclear funding:


The Biden administration is making a big push for nuclear power once again to be a key part of America’s sustainable energy future, which could lead to the first expansion of reactor construction in more than three decades.

The White House requested $1.8 billion for nuclear energy in its fiscal 2022 budget, a 50% increase from last year's levels, with Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm telling reporters at the recent UN Climate Conference that "we are very bullish on these advanced nuclear reactors" and pointing to the emerging technology of small, modular reactors. The House-passed version of the Build Back Better bill also includes between $20 billion and $25 billion in subsidies to keep older reactors running. And the Biden administration says that the country's 94 nuclear reactors will be "absolutely essential" for the U.S. to achieve its goal of a net-zero carbon economy by 2050. Even the environmental group Greenpeace is no longer actively campaigning against nuclear power over its safety issues.

In an interview at the U.N. Climate Change Conference, Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm told Yahoo News on Friday that the Biden administration is “very bullish” on building new nuclear reactors in the United States.

We are very bullish on these advanced nuclear reactors,” she said. “We have, in fact, invested a lot of money in the research and development of those. We are very supportive of that.”

But Granholm noted that wind and solar are not yet capable of generating “baseload” capacity, meaning power that can be reliably ramped up to meet demand even when the wind isn’t blowing or the sun isn’t shining.

Half of the United States’ clean power now — when I say ‘clean’ I’m talking about net-zero carbon emissions — is through the nuclear fleet,” she observed. “If you look at the overall power, it’s about 20 percent. Globally, 29 percent of the clean power is nuclear.”

Granholm implied that there is no longer a significant risk of nuclear meltdowns like the infamous past incidents at Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima.

“These advanced nuclear reactors, and the existing fleet, are safe,” she said. “We have the gold standard of regulation in the United States.

“And they’re baseload power,” she continued. “The holy grail is to identify clean, baseload power. ... Nuclear is dispatchable, clean baseload power, so we want to be able to bring more on.”

Another objection from critics to building new nuclear power reactors is that doing so is more expensive than competing forms of energy, and that subsidies for it would be better spent on renewables. Granholm addressed that objection head-on, without even being asked about it. She argued that the emerging technology of small, modular reactors will be more affordable than the hulking behemoths of yore.
 

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Gov. Phil Murphy announced Thursday his administration will extend property tax relief to about 1.8 million New Jersey households by replacing the state’s Homestead Benefit program.

The tax relief initiative is part of the governor’s state budget proposal he is set to unveil during a speech at the Statehouse in Trenton on Tuesday.

Under the new program, New Jersey homeowners making up to $250,000 would be eligible to receive an average $700 rebate in the first year, and renters making up to $100,000 would be eligible for a rebate up to $250 to help offset the cost of rent increases due to property taxes.
So we're gonna temporarily give folks tax money to offset permanent higher property taxes? You can't make this **** up.

And these morons stand in front of a microphone and say this garbage with a straight face.
Not too much longer here in NJ for me. Can't handle all the stupid. Maybe people will wake up and stop voting for these idiots. I'm not optimistic.
 
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So we're gonna temporarily give folks tax money to offset permanent higher property taxes? You can't make this **** up.

And these morons stand in front of a microphone and say this garbage with a straight face.
Not too much longer here in NJ for me. Can't handle all the stupid. Maybe people will wake up and stop voting for these idiots. I'm not optimistic.
Good bye, I hope you accumulated enough assets to retire. Luckily, you are living in a high cost of living area which increased your compensation that allowed you to save enough.
 
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Good bye, I hope you accumulated enough assets to retire. Luckily, you are living in a high cost of living area which increased your compensation that allowed you to save enough.
I'm not worried about me. I'll be just fine.
My concern is for the poor bastards who don't have a choice. Sit down face to face and explain the windmills and unicorns plan to the family that is handing over their kid's Christmas money to the guy at the gas station. They are why I hope things will change. I have options. Same idiots are running/ruining the country right now.

Your flippant response tells me all I need to know about you.
 

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I'm not worried about me. I'll be just fine.
My concern is for the poor bastards who don't have a choice. Sit down face to face and explain the windmills and unicorns plan to the family that is handing over their kid's Christmas money to the guy at the gas station. They are why I hope things will change. I have options. Same idiots are running/ruining the country right now.

Your flippant response tells me all I need to know about you.
Most of the responses criticizing wind mills suggest we go nuclear. My last two post show the Biden administration is going full steam with nuclear. I guess they are making the right decisions.

I currently don’t have any problems with the gas prices since I don’t go to work. The younger generation will have to worry about it. None of my younger relatives complain about it, they just work harder and can afford it. One just purchased a house for over $900k so a couple of dollars in gas money not going to hurt them.

I complain that pizza cost $17-20 dollars when I can remember it was $1 dollar a pie. Meat prices are going thru the roof, but it doesn’t affect many on the board, since I notice they still dine out at restaurants charging $35-100 for a steak dinner. I remember autos costing only 1-2,000 dollars but now you have to pay at least $30,000.

This board is great for complaining. Lot of old people on the board.
 
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Most of the responses criticizing windmills suggest we go nuclear. My last two post show the Biden administration is going full steam with nuclear. I guess they are making the right decisions.

I currently don’t have any problems with the gas prices since I don’t go to work. The younger generation will have to worry about it. None of my younger relatives complain about it, they just work harder and can afford it. One just purchased a house for over $900k so a couple of dollars in gas money not going to hurt them.

I complain that pizza cost $17-20 dollars when I can remember it was $1 dollar a pie. Meat prices are going thru the roof, but it doesn’t affect many on the board, since I notice they still dine out at restaurants charging $35-100 for a steak dinner. I remember autos costing only 1-2,000 dollars but now you have to pay at least $30,000.

This board is great for complaining. Lot of old people on the board.
Including you?
 

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Gas price inflation is a worldwide issue impacting every country no matter the policy priorities of its leadership

This has nothing to do with any one country with the exception of Russia
 
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Gas price inflation is a worldwide issue impacting every country no matter the policy priorities of its leadership

This has nothing to do with any one country with the exception of Russia

The same people having a panic attack about gas prices now were miraculously fine with the same prices in 2008. Weird how that works, wonder what it could be, real mystery.
 
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Most of the responses criticizing wind mills suggest we go nuclear. My last two post show the Biden administration is going full steam with nuclear. I guess they are making the right decisions.

I currently don’t have any problems with the gas prices since I don’t go to work. The younger generation will have to worry about it. None of my younger relatives complain about it, they just work harder and can afford it. One just purchased a house for over $900k so a couple of dollars in gas money not going to hurt them.

I complain that pizza cost $17-20 dollars when I can remember it was $1 dollar a pie. Meat prices are going thru the roof, but it doesn’t affect many on the board, since I notice they still dine out at restaurants charging $35-100 for a steak dinner. I remember autos costing only 1-2,000 dollars but now you have to pay at least $30,000.

This board is great for complaining. Lot of old people on the board.

It's funny to watch people who claim they're extremely rich screeching about prices. They're just worried about the "little guy"...and that's why they also whine when families making under 65k get free RU tuition.

It's almost like their "opinions" are so inconsistent because they're belched through a fish stick heir of some kind.
 

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Most of the responses criticizing wind mills suggest we go nuclear. My last two post show the Biden administration is going full steam with nuclear. I guess they are making the right decisions.

I currently don’t have any problems with the gas prices since I don’t go to work. The younger generation will have to worry about it. None of my younger relatives complain about it, they just work harder and can afford it. One just purchased a house for over $900k so a couple of dollars in gas money not going to hurt them.

I complain that pizza cost $17-20 dollars when I can remember it was $1 dollar a pie. Meat prices are going thru the roof, but it doesn’t affect many on the board, since I notice they still dine out at restaurants charging $35-100 for a steak dinner. I remember autos costing only 1-2,000 dollars but now you have to pay at least $30,000.

This board is great for complaining. Lot of old people on the board.
Nuclear is a fine idea in theory. But, until they start passing out flux capacitors, that's not helping the guy just barely making it at the gas pump. Back to the future was not a documentary.
Glad you and yours are so well off that crazy inflation is only a nuisance. Not so for the vast majority of folks.
Self aware is not a common trait amongst limousine liberals I've noticed.

My original point was about the tax shell game being played. My second was about the regular guy getting screwed.
Your point? ....I'm not really sure. Still trying to figure it out. SMH
 

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I do a very limited number of tax returns and to be honest NJ income tax is not really a significant amount for someone making in the 60,000 range

Property taxes are the issue and the rebate program seems to be an efficient way to get money to individuals in the lower income set who need it most

We already spend a huge percentage of the State budget funding local schools
 

e5fdny

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I do a very limited number of tax returns and to be honest NJ income tax is not really a significant amount for someone making in the 60,000 range

Property taxes are the issue and the rebate program seems to be an efficient way to get money to individuals in the lower income set who need it most

We already spend a huge percentage of the State budget funding local schools
And for the most part, that’s been a pretty good ROI.
 

e5fdny

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The same people having a panic attack about gas prices now were miraculously fine with the same prices in 2008. Weird how that works, wonder what it could be, real mystery.
The reason is that they went back down to under $2 a few months after their peak…which was still a little less than what they are right now.

Do you see that happening this time?
 
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