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NickRU714

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Next up - CFB/NFL ban having 4wrs to the left side of the line.
Unfair to the defense and doesn't let them perform at their best.
No more direct snaps to a non-QB either.
Makes the defense account for an extra player.

Death of strategy.
 
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NickRU714 said:
Next up - CFB/NFL ban having 4wrs to the left side of the line.
Unfair to the defense and doesn't let them perform at their best.
No more direct snaps to a non-QB either.
Makes the defense account for an extra player.

Death of strategy.
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At this point I’m ok with banning the shift, but it does seem like something that could have been defeated on the field.
 
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Don’t understand the ban of the shift. If the hitters lack the skill to make them pay then so be it.

Don’t mind the pitch clock, but not looking forward to seeing a clock on the screen before every pitch. Will be annoying
 
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Barnaby&Neill said:
At this point I’m ok with banning the shift, but it does seem like something that could have been defeated on the field.
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What did I ever do to deserve banning?

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Rutgers25 said:
Don’t understand the ban of the shift. If the hitters lack the skill to make them pay then so be it.

Don’t mind the pitch clock, but not looking forward to seeing a clock on the screen before every pitch. Will be annoying
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Me neither. I didn't hurt anyone.
 
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Barnaby&Neill said:
At this point I’m ok with banning the shift, but it does seem like something that could have been defeated on the field.
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Analytics caused the shift to become overused and ironically, analytics also prevented hitters from defeating it on the field. The game suffered and it's time to save everyone from themselves.

I would support banning analytics!!! :)
 
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A Yankee - Red Sox game that runs less than 4 hours. What a concept!!! I do have a problem with the shift ban. In the not TOO distant past that would be defeated by the batter hitting to left field and getting a single. But in today's HR hitting mania I guess that skill is no longer valued.
 
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Rutgers25 said:
Don’t understand the ban of the shift. If the hitters lack the skill to make them pay then so be it.

Don’t mind the pitch clock, but not looking forward to seeing a clock on the screen before every pitch. Will be annoying
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I'm fine with a pitch clock - should add a lot of interest.

Some things I'm not okay with - batters stepping out of the box and pitchers taking literally forever to make a pitch.
 
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mdk01 said:
A Yankee - Red Sox game that runs less than 4 hours. What a concept!!! I do have a problem with the shift ban. In the not TOO distant past that would be defeated by the batter hitting to left field and getting a single. But in today's HR hitting mania I guess that skill is no longer valued.
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I don't think it is a skill problem. I believe analytics, which advocates for the shift, also advocates for hitters to keep bombing away. As I said above, baseball needs to be saved from itself.
 
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Hate the shift ban. Honestly, hate the shift, too, because you feel it more when it robs your team of a hit. But that's the point.

Why shouldn't you be able to position your guys in whatever way gives you the best chance of making the out. Just smart play. This feels like tying a hand behind your back on D. If hitters couldnt/wouldn't defeat it naturally years ago, it shouldn't be regulated away.

The talking point about highlighting athleticism is weak af, too.
 
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Pitch clock I agree with, as long as they also go after batters that have to readjust their armor after every pitch.

Are they gonna continue with those stupid extra innings rules?

Rutgers25 said:
Don’t understand the ban of the shift. If the hitters lack the skill to make them pay then so be it.
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Completely agree. Good hitters should have a field day with a shift.
 
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Rutgers25 said:
Don’t understand the ban of the shift. If the hitters lack the skill to make them pay then so be it.

Don’t mind the pitch clock, but not looking forward to seeing a clock on the screen before every pitch. Will be annoying
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IMO the rationale for banning the shift is that MLB DOESN'T WANT hitters to adjust. MLB doesn't want guys trying (and likely failing) to adjust their swing to slap singles the other way. MLB wants guys to hit the ball out of the ballpark and not be penalized for trying.

Chicks dig the long ball. Dudes do too.
 
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Analytics caused the shift to become overused and ironically, analytics also prevented hitters from defeating it on the field. The game suffered and it's time to save everyone from themselves.

I would support banning analytics!!! :)
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Ban analytics? I know your joking but it would be funny.

No more batting orders. It's a random selection each game.
In fact, no more starters or positions at all.
The 25 man roster is randomly assigned a position and batting order prior to each game.
Every actual pitch type is also randomly assigned to the pitcher before each pitch.

No more analysis "it's 0-2, I'm going to throw something he won't be able to hit".
Now it's all random! Sounds fun.
 
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Doctor Worm

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DJ Spanky said:
Are they gonna continue with those stupid extra innings rules?
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Doubt it. They had already planned to get rid of it for 2022. However, due to the lockout, and the resultant compressed spring training, they decided to keep it around for another year.
 
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Doctor Worm said:
IMO the rationale for banning the shift is that MLB DOESN'T WANT hitters to adjust. MLB doesn't want guys trying (and likely failing) to adjust their swing to slap singles the other way. MLB wants guys to hit the ball out of the ballpark and not be penalized for trying.

Chicks dig the long ball. Dudes do too.
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That's the type of meddlesome regulation the league should not be making. Especially in a year that could see the AL (real) HR record drop. Long ball doesn't need help.
 
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Barnaby&Neill said:
At this point I’m ok with banning the shift, but it does seem like something that could have been defeated on the field.
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Not really. FO's don't want the shift beaten with anything other than a home run. There was no incentive to go the other way, note the de-emphasis of batting average
 
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Barnaby&Neill said:
At this point I’m ok with banning the shift, but it does seem like something that could have been defeated on the field.
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Ibanning the shift is wrong

Why should it be illegal? You have 7 aside from the pitcher out on the field and you
should place them anywhere

It is up to the batter to hit it where the ain’t
So, work on that as a batter
We start making up new rules that don’t seem right
 
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Doctor Worm said:
IMO the rationale for banning the shift is that MLB DOESN'T WANT hitters to adjust. MLB doesn't want guys trying (and likely failing) to adjust their swing to slap singles the other way. MLB wants guys to hit the ball out of the ballpark and not be penalized for trying.

Chicks dig the long ball. Dudes do too.
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Which it is why it's a really stupid rule. Just like the NFL, MLB is catering to the fantasy and video game crowds. Every "improvement " is designed to improve the offense.
 
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WhiteBus said:
Which it is why it's a really stupid rule. Just like the NFL, MLB is catering to the fantasy and video game crowds. Every "improvement " is designed to improve the offense.
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Is banning the shift that far removed from football formation rules (number of guys on the line and in the backfield)? And just to be clear I’m not in favor of banning the shift.
 
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wicker said:
Not really. FO's don't want the shift beaten with anything other than a home run. There was no incentive to go the other way, note the de-emphasis of batting average
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This goes along with some previous posts about analytics, but I think the logic is that the value of a single is such in today’s game that it’s not worth sacrificing the chance for an extra base hit for a single. The value of a run is generally diminished in a higher scoring era (smaller stadiums, lively ball in recent years, emphasis on launch angle, etc); not enough action on the basepaths / multi-hit rallies to suggest a runner on first is even likely to score in an inning.

All that said, seems to me scoring is down a bit this year, home runs less frequent, and therefore the value of a run should be higher. Beat the shift with singles enough that the defenses re-align and there would be more multi-hit rallies.

It’s a weird thing where the analytical approach is creating the conditions that validate and further justify the analytical approach. Self-fulfilling prophecy kind of thing. So we end up in a situation where intervention in the rules is necessary to change the conditions and break the chain.
 
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RULoyal said:
Is banning the shift that far removed from football formation rules (number of guys on the line and in the backfield)? And just to be clear I’m not in favor of banning the shift.
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Yes. Because it’s a defensive formation. The NFL doesn’t have rules on how many lineman or defensive backs you have to play.
 
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fsg2 said:
Yeah, those two things don't work together.
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A three hour game isn’t terrible if the mix of downtime vs action is better. A three hour low action game isnt great, but three hours with things happening is fine. There were several four hour football games last weekend
 
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Banning the shift is dumb. It's like banning the blitz in football. I don't have a problem with the pitch clock but I'll be interested to see what happens when a batter steps out with 5 seconds left on it because he has something in his eye. Does the ump tell the pitcher to still throw the ball and then just call it a strike no matter what.
 
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Don't like the defensive shift but against banning it. Batters need to adjust and beat the shift. If the batter insists on being a strictly pull hitter then has to live with the consequences.
 
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Barnaby&Neill said:
A three hour game isn’t terrible if the mix of downtime vs action is better. A three hour low action game isnt great, but three hours with things happening is fine. There were several four hour football games last weekend
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Meh, I don't find an opposing team's hit(s) anymore exciting than my pitcher going a fast three up, three down.
 
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ruinac said:
Just move the short fences back. Bring back five-tool players instead of one-dimensional lumbering power hitters.
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Baltimore quietly did this. One of the best ways to disincentivize launch angle swings and incentivize contact is to expand the playing field. In addition, more foul territory (though not popular for selling high dollar tickets) would also quicken games.
 
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