OT: COVID-19 news. Out of over 3000 positive tests in prison

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

I'm sure that's what the 50 million said that died from the Spanish Flu in 1918.

I go back to what I said about this thing from the outset. Bite the bullet and call a mandatory 4 week quarantine, until those that were infected either recovered or died, then make sure infections in the country are minimized. Close the country from travel from the outside, and then put out the small fires that occur after the quarantine. We would have already been back to somewhat normal if we would have applied this from the outset.

As I said then, we can handle a month of no commerce taking place. What we can't handle is months upon months of marginal commerce being done. This will kill numerous people and will kill our economy.

What will happen from opening up the country again with a virus that hasn't diminished at all will be tens of thousands of more deaths. Actually in the hundreds of thousands of deaths.

People, including yourself, don't understand what is going to happen from trying to start this country up again in the middle of a pandemic. You can say that we all need to get back to work, but what happens when one of your family members dies. Do you want someone close to you to die, because that is exactly what you are supporting.

And even if you are lucky enough for one of your family members to not die, others' family members will die...in large numbers. If you're OK with others' family members dying, then that just makes you more selfish than I could imagine a person being.

Spoiler alert...we're all going to die...sorry to be the one to tell you that, it kinda sounds like you don't already know??? Come at me with a reasonable alternative to closing down the world and i'll listen, because that simply isn't realistic and I have to wonder how crossed somebody's wires have to be to think it is. We're going to open at some point..the virus will still be here...there is literally nothing we can do to eradicate it. So do it already. I also believe as we look back on this years from now, more people will agree with me. But again...I am all for people who want to stay home to do it. I am not making you leave your house, don't try and make me, and others, stay home.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Yes, I am in favor of keeping everything open, and letting nature take it's course. That's called life and we do it every day, and for people who don't agree I fully support their right to stay home and have everything delivered.

'Trying to dodge a virus every day at work, with thousands upon thousands of people become positive for C-19 each day throughout the U.S., while intentionally killing millions of people off' is living life? I think your definition and mine differ dramatically.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Spoiler alert...we're all going to die...sorry to be the one to tell you that, it kinda sounds like you don't already know??? Come at me with a reasonable alternative to closing down the world and i'll listen, because that simply isn't realistic and I have to wonder how crossed somebody's wires have to be to think it is. We're going to open at some point..the virus will still be here...there is literally nothing we can do to eradicate it. So do it already. I also believe as we look back on this years from now, more people will agree with me. But again...I am all for people who want to stay home to do it. I am not making you leave your house, don't try and make me, and others, stay home.

I get it. You clearly don't understand the Science here. Share your ignorance elsewhere. We're not buying 'crazy' here.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

I get it. You clearly don't understand the Science here. Share your ignorance elsewhere. We're not buying 'crazy' here.

You want to close down the world, and I'm the crazy ignorant one? Yikes.

 

[Hastings4Huskers]

You want to close down the world, and I'm the crazy ignorant one? Yikes.

Amen that dude us unhinged. Watching post after post. And links presented to him are only right if it fits his narrative. Talk about crazy.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

Wow, you are this dumb, I guess. Do you really think Amazon deliveries are an essential part of preserving lives in America?? And going to the store to get f'ing milk is a necessity???

Good Lord, dude, I'm talking about preserving the lives of potentially millions, and you're worried about receiving Amazon packages and drinking milk!! WTF?!!

I'm pretty sure a part of this 4-week quarantine would mean that all Amazon deliveries and trips to the store for milk would probably stop. Jeesh..

Fascist fart-sniffers really love their own pious scent, don't they?

 

[MOHUSKER]

You want to close down the world, and I'm the crazy ignorant one? Yikes.

There just is no middle ground with you is there? Do you understand there is something between never leave the home and zero restrictions?

Based on research and my own thoughts, we should have localized response. Maybe once a community sees greater than x% (50-60% to account for infection lag?) of critical care beds occupied then we should probably close restaurant dining rooms and restrict occupancy and encourage curbside pickup and work from home. If we fall back below (20-40%) then we ease off some again.

Now my % is based on a community that built temporary COVID units, if a different one didn’t, then maybe they usually run above 50 and need a different number.

 

[Hoosker Du]

You missed my point. I'm saying we are more vulnerable today due to our average age and, due to our advancements, people are able to live with various comorbidities. If covid hit back then it wouldn't have had nearly as many 55+ yo people to ravage. I dont think this is as dangerous as the spanish flu.

I'm in my mid 50s so there is no guarantee that I will be one of the 330 million who survive this. I'll do what I can to protect myself and others, but we have to think about what kind of future we make from here and what kind of legacy we leave. Those of us who have faced our mortality whether through cancer or another disease or a trama event or combat or whatever, are blessed to understand what it is like to fight for ones life, but also have the perspective to see that our mortality is inevitable. Living in perpetual fear sucks, at some point we need to live our lives.

I like your attitude, even if I may disagree on certain points with you. I just place the highest value on lives versus commerce. Commerce occurs as a result of human lives, not the other way around. Commerce serves lives. Once we lose one of the people we care for, or even people we don't even know, they are gone forever. Businesses can be replaced.

I just think we're getting our values mixed up here. Agreeing to sacrifice hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of lives, when we have a vaccine that could potentially be available in 3 1/2 months, isn't going about this the correct way.

Edit - And we know with Oxford and Astra Zeneca being in the lead for the race to a vaccine, U.S., England and Swiss citizens will be the first to receive it.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

There just is no middle ground with you is there? Do you understand there is something between never leave the home and zero restrictions?

Based on research and my own thoughts, we should have localized response. Maybe once a community sees greater than x% (50-60% to account for infection lag?) of critical care beds occupied then we should probably close restaurant dining rooms and restrict occupancy and encourage curbside pickup and work from home. If we fall back below (20-40%) then we ease off some again.

Now my % is based on a community that built temporary COVID units, if a different one didn’t, then maybe they usually run above 50 and need a different number.

What are you talking about? I'm telling you I support your right to stay home if you're not comfortable going out....and you're telling me we have to close down the world. Hmmmmm.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

I like your attitude, even if I may disagree on certain points with you. I just place the highest value on lives versus commerce. Commerce occurs as a result of human lives, not the other way around. Commerce serves lives.

I just think we're getting our values mixed up here. Agreeing to sacrifice hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of lives, when we have a vaccine that could potentially be available in 3 1/2 months, isn't going about this the correct way.

And we know with Oxford and Astra Zeneca being in the lead for the race to a vaccine, U.S. and England citizens will be the first to receive it.

Putting lives above all else then saying, in the same breath, certain nations are certain to receive a vaccine first sure is something.

 

[MOHUSKER]

What are you talking about? I'm telling you I support your right to stay home if you're not comfortable going out....and you're telling me we have to close down the world. Hmmmmm.

Like I suspected, you just see all or nothing. I said impose some restrictions on a localized community level if s#!+ hits the fan in an area based on health resources.

There would be circumstances at my job where I, or my team would have to go to the office. Why should I have to be at greater risk if needing to go to work cause you can’t do without a cheeseburger, fries and shakes?

Lincoln hospitals reaching a tipping point? Close dining rooms and gatherings and ask people to stay home except for a need to leave the house for necessities to slow the case load. Denver not seeing much going on? By all means let’s live as close to normal lives as possible and not react to something hundreds of miles away.

 

[Hoosker Du]

You want to close down the world, and I'm the crazy ignorant one? Yikes.

Yes, you most certainly are. We're potentially 3 1/2 months from a vaccine and you want to kill millions to get to herd immunity.

 

[MOHUSKER]

Yes, you most certainly are. We're potentially 3 1/2 months from a vaccine and you want to kill millions to get to herd immunity.

Which has never been accomplished (or needed) with a Coronavirus.

 

[Hoosker Du]

What are you talking about? I'm telling you I support your right to stay home if you're not comfortable going out....and you're telling me we have to close down the world. Hmmmmm.

You're also the dumbass that refuses to wear a mask to protect others. Don't forget about that too.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Which has never been accomplished (or needed) with a Coronavirus.

Oxford got a headstart from research for a vaccine for MERS. That's why they are leading the way right now. Or possibly co-leading the way with a couple others.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Unless people in NYC are living in buildings with faulty HVAC systems, people aren't contracting this virus 'sitting' at home. Who is transmitting it to them...The Ghost of Christmas Past?? They are either contracting it from family members, which would happen regardless, or they are going out into the community.

Whomever keeps trying to float this idea that people are contracting a virus without a person to transmit this virus to them...need to get their heads examined and get it over with already.

If this is the case, the argument for tracing is moot then.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

I don't think you understand how this would work. People test positive whether they are symptomatic or not.

Those that test positive would stay home and quarantine, whether they are symptomatic or asymptomatic. They would go to the hospital if they were in trouble. Those that don't test positive would go back to work.

We are going to see this virus take off during the summer as a result of not testing prior to going back to work, as well as opening up businesses, but oh well, it's only thousands upon thousands more dying.

I think you missed my point. If you're asymptomatic, yet shedding virus, you need to be tested, thus, everyone needs to be tested,right? You get no symptoms yet have the virus and shed virus before symptoms, so, everyone not showing symptoms needs to be tested.

 

[Hoosker Du]

If this is the case, the argument for tracing is moot then.

I would think tracing would be pretty difficult to begin with. I think it is probably used to augment the effectiveness of testing. If people already don't have a lot of activity, it would help more.

 

[MOHUSKER]

If this is the case, the argument for tracing is moot then.

Not true at all, tracing is one tool that can help slow the spread and has proven effective in multiple countries. Again, nobody is claiming there is one smoking gun, you put layers of protection in place, testing, tracing, social distancing, masks and you get better health outcomes. Anyone who denies that is demonstrating a complete lack of intelligence.

 

[Hoosker Du]

I think you missed my point. If you're asymptomatic, yet shedding virus, you need to be tested, thus, everyone needs to be tested,right? You get no symptoms yet have the virus and shed virus before symptoms, so, everyone not showing symptoms needs to be tested.

Yes, everyone would need to be tested that is going back to work. Those that test positive stay home. Those that test negative can go back.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

A study of transmission in a call center in South Korea. Basically getting to close, prolonged contact is the most likely transmission method of the virus.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/8/20-1274_article

We described the epidemiologic characteristics of a COVID-19 outbreak centered in a call center in South Korea. We identified 97 confirmed COVID-19 case-patients in building X, indicating an attack rate of 8.5%. However, if we restrict our results the 11th floor, the attack rate was as high as 43.5%. This outbreak shows alarmingly that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) can be exceptionally contagious in crowded office settings such as a call center. The magnitude of the outbreak illustrates how a high-density work environment can become a high-risk site for the spread of COVID-19 and potentially a source of further transmission. Nearly all the case-patients were on one side of the building on 11th floor. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus, the predecessor of SARS-CoV-2, exhibited multiple superspreading events in 2002 and 2003, in which a few persons infected others, resulting in many secondary cases. Despite considerable interaction between workers on different floors of building X in the elevators and lobby, spread of COVID-19 was limited almost exclusively to the 11th floor, which indicates that the duration of interaction (or contact) was likely the main facilitator for further spreading of SARS-CoV-2.

I call this virus loading of the atmosphere, virtually impossible out doors.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Not true at all, tracing is one tool that can help slow the spread and has proven effective in multiple countries. Again, nobody is claiming there is one smoking gun, you put layers of protection in place, testing, tracing, social distancing, masks and you get better health outcomes. Anyone who denies that is demonstrating a complete lack of intelligence.

He was saying those that test positive has to quarantine, the rest can go to work.

I pointed out, 50 million a day every day, a billion dollars a day.
Just because you test negative one day, what about the next?
Your body has to have enough wuhan in it to be able to read it.

So, in context, completely true.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

As far as tracing goes, I don't know the number, but whats the current daily infection numbers?
Twenty thousand? So, trace that,and every person in potential contact, over a hundred thousand?
Every day?
So, a billion bucks a day to test everyone, which still will show negative until the virus loads enough in that person to trip the sensitivity of the test.
Then, twenty thousand test positive, then contact everyone that was in potential contact ofthose testing positive, all in one day to complete tracing, then on to the next day.
And who knows how much this would cost if it could be done.

And then, if you're on that contract trace, you have to be tested again,all in the same day.

I thnk I'd prefer to try to explain a faulty hvac system vs a good one on how it spreads the wuhan.

 

[Hoosker Du]

He was saying those that test positive has to quarantine, the rest can go to work.

I pointed out, 50 million a day every day, a billion dollars a day.
Just because you test negative one day, what about the next?
Your body has to have enough wuhan in it to be able to read it.

So, in context, completely true.

By being around people all day at work you are eliminating your time around people that are possibly infected. This isn't perfect science, but if you're going to open up the country to go back to work during a pandemic, you do the best you can, and use testing to your greatest advantage. And yes, you would have to test on a weekly basis at very least.

If you're expecting to completely eliminate this virus while working during a pandemic, you're being unrealistic. You do the best you can, then try to put out smaller fires that come up.

 

[dinglefritz]

So why doesn't the White House either get rid of the guidelines or publicly denounce them, instead of selectively criticizing governors who are following them?

I mean surely they don't believe that people are so gullible and blindly partisan that they can actively promote a set of guidelines and then criticize states for following them, do they?

Because they're guidelines. They're not law. They're not set in stone. They're an idealistic theoretical approach set forth by scientists who don't live in the real world.

 

[MOHUSKER]

I call this virus loading of the atmosphere, virtually impossible out doors.

General outdoors? Yes

Mass gatherings? Concerts, sports? No...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...s-linked-to-champions-league-match/111463300/

 

[MOHUSKER]

As far as tracing goes, I don't know the number, but whats the current daily infection numbers?
Twenty thousand? So, trace that,and every person in potential contact, over a hundred thousand?
Every day?
So, a billion bucks a day to test everyone, which still will show negative until the virus loads enough in that person to trip the sensitivity of the test.
Then, twenty thousand test positive, then contact everyone that was in potential contact ofthose testing positive, all in one day to complete tracing, then on to the next day.
And who knows how much this would cost if it could be done.

And then, if you're on that contract trace, you have to be tested again,all in the same day.

I thnk I'd prefer to try to explain a faulty hvac system vs a good one on how it spreads the wuhan.

Contact tracing can be person x is a known new infection so quarantine close contacts for 2-3 weeks for symptoms. Don’t need a ton of testing, do a test at the end of the second week and be done if negative.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

By being around people all day at work you are eliminating your time around people that are possibly infected. This isn't perfect science, but if you're going to open up the country to go back to work during a pandemic, you do the best you can, and use testing to your greatest advantage. And yes, you would have to test on a weekly basis at very least.

If you're expecting to completely eliminate this virus while working during a pandemic, you're being unrealistic. You do the best you can, then try to put out smaller fires that come up.

But you have to be tested to truly know. Now, if you get a cold, you're quarantined until you can get tested.
Not testing everyone every day is like putting a price on peoples lives, if you happen to think that way.

Granted, it'll be safer, not safe. It will send people who previously were fully capable of working home quarantined for a matter of days, no matter what.

If we dont go all out, then we're not all in, and leave gaping holes at high costs gaining us nothing.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

General outdoors? Yes

Mass gatherings? Concerts, sports? No...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...s-linked-to-champions-league-match/111463300/

Well, if people were stratified, but open areas still haven't proven to be infectious.
If people were distanced, the same.
Taking things before what are now given proper protections, distancing, covering any cough, washing and cleaning hands face etc, show me those numbers, those events.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Contact tracing can be person x is a known new infection so quarantine close contacts for 2-3 weeks for symptoms. Don’t need a ton of testing, do a test at the end of the second week and be done if negative.

So, every day, more people test positive,say twenty thousand, say five contacts per person, you then have to call one hundred thousand a day,quarantine them, watch for compliancy, do we then create a punitive response?
All in one day, every day?

 

[dinglefritz]

Wow, you are this dumb, I guess. Do you really think Amazon deliveries are an essential part of preserving lives in America?? And going to the store to get f'ing milk is a necessity???

Good Lord, dude, I'm talking about preserving the lives of potentially millions, and you're worried about receiving Amazon packages and drinking milk!! WTF?!!

I'm pretty sure a part of this 4-week quarantine would mean that all Amazon deliveries and trips to the store for milk would probably stop. Jeesh..

Milk is a necessity if you have a nursing mother sheltering in your house who has been told by her Dr. that she needs to drink more milk.Winking You do realize that we ALL could stay home for ANOTHER 60 days and it wouldn't matter? You're not talking about preserving the lives of millions. Your anxiety is getting the better of you. A 4 week quarantine would be impossible for any normal human being that I know without a great deal of peripheral support personnel. Not only that it would be completely ineffective and unenforceable.

There have been less than 30 positive cases in my county thus far. All but a couple are considered recovered. The others are being monitored at home I believe. Yeah we really need to quarantine the whole damned country.

How long exactly do you want us to hide in our houses for? How Vitamin D deficient do you want us to get? You do understand that there at this point likely millions of asymptomatic infected people living in the U.S. right now don't you? This isn't going away. We can't all hole up for the next 7-12 months waiting for a vaccine. You go ahead if you want.. Nobody is stopping you. Hell my 89 year old mother-in-law has come to visit a couple of times so she could see her great grand baby. She said "If I can't go see family life isn't worth living." She's a smart lady. She raised 3 MDs and they're all going to see her tomorrow for Mother's Day. Go cower in your "man" cave.

 

[dinglefritz]

You missed my point. I'm saying we are more vulnerable today due to our average age and, due to our advancements, people are able to live with various comorbidities. If covid hit back then it wouldn't have had nearly as many 55+ yo people to ravage. I dont think this is as dangerous as the spanish flu.

I'm in my mid 50s so there is no guarantee that I will be one of the 330 million who survive this. I'll do what I can to protect myself and others, but we have to think about what kind of future we make from here and what kind of legacy we leave. Those of us who have faced our mortality whether through cancer or another disease or a trama event or combat or whatever, are blessed to understand what it is like to fight for ones life, but also have the perspective to see that our mortality is inevitable. Living in perpetual fear sucks, at some point we need to live our lives.

If you're in your 50s and without other fairly severe disease processes, your odds of surviving this virus are over 99%. IF you've got heart failure or are a brittle diabetic, you are at very high risk. Of course if you have either of those things, you could kick the bucket at any minute anyway.

 

[Hoosker Du]

But you have to be tested to truly know. Now, if you get a cold, you're quarantined until you can get tested.
Not testing everyone every day is like putting a price on peoples lives, if you happen to think that way.

Granted, it'll be safer, not safe. It will send people who previously were fully capable of working home quarantined for a matter of days, no matter what.

If we dont go all out, then we're not all in, and leave gaping holes at high costs gaining us nothing.

There are tests right now that can give you results within 4 hours. And that was at least a few weeks ago that those were out. I'm sure there are better ones at this point.

 

[dinglefritz]

Contact tracing can be person x is a known new infection so quarantine close contacts for 2-3 weeks for symptoms. Don’t need a ton of testing, do a test at the end of the second week and be done if negative.

We're way beyond where contact tracing will make an appreciable difference IMO. With the greater than 90% asymptomatic infection rates we've seen in some studies, we likely have tens of millions of either asymptomatic carriers or recovered people walking around in this country right now. Contact tracing is an exercise in futility other than for maybe certain workplaces or given populations. I've read reports from epidemiologists now who believe that this virus was circulating in the U.S since early December and maybe even late November. IMO, we're achieving the ORIGINAL goal of the stay at home rules in that we've prevented our health care system from being overwhelmed. IMO, we'll be able to continue that with social distancing and the improved hygiene I witness virtually every day when I venture out in public.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Milk is a necessity if you have a nursing mother sheltering in your house who has been told by her Dr. that she needs to drink more milk.Winking You do realize that we ALL could stay home for ANOTHER 60 days and it wouldn't matter? You're not talking about preserving the lives of millions. Your anxiety is getting the better of you. A 4 week quarantine would be impossible for any normal human being that I know without a great deal of peripheral support personnel. Not only that it would be completely ineffective and unenforceable.

There have been less than 30 positive cases in my county thus far. All but a couple are considered recovered. The others are being monitored at home I believe. Yeah we really need to quarantine the whole damned country.

How long exactly do you want us to hide in our houses for? How Vitamin D deficient do you want us to get? You do understand that there at this point likely millions of asymptomatic infected people living in the U.S. right now don't you? This isn't going away. We can't all hole up for the next 7-12 months waiting for a vaccine. You go ahead if you want.. Nobody is stopping you. Hell my 89 year old mother-in-law has come to visit a couple of times so she could see her great grand baby. She said "If I can't go see family life isn't worth living." She's a smart lady. She raised 3 MDs and they're all going to see her tomorrow for Mother's Day. Go cower in your "man" cave.

Or...here's a crazy idea...take a multivitamin. Or even crazier... formula. Again, maybe you haven't noticed...we're in the middle of a pandemic. We can live on much less than we're used to.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to clinical info on vaccines either. There is very positive news out there right now. It would be a shame to kill 150,000 people in the U.S. over the next 3 1/2 months all for no reason.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

There are tests right now that can give you results within 4 hours. And that was at least a few weeks ago that those were out. I'm sure there are better ones at this point.

Ok, have those tests dispersed, I get that part, but you need to keep supplies up, the numbers will be the same, and likely more, as things open up.
So, with it go up 50 %? If so, thats what, thrity thousand a day, then say five contacts, thats one fifty thousand every day.
Now, trace those 150 thousands, get them in quarantine, then keep an eye for fourteen days on that 150 thousand ,plus the 100 odd thousand thats on day two of their quarantine and so on.

 

[schuele]

Because they're guidelines. They're not law. They're not set in stone. They're an idealistic theoretical approach set forth by scientists who don't live in the real world.

So do all governors who follow the White House guidelines that were issued by the White House and appear on the White House website have their head up their ***, or just selected governors?

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

So, we get huge numbers, potentially millions on quarantine over any 14 day period.
How many break quarantine?
What are we to do with them? Under what laws do their breaking quarantine lie?
Should there be lawsuits?
Should the lawmakers themselves be held accountable for creating rules they can't enforce?

I'm just trying to get people to look at the bigger picture here.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Ok, have those tests dispersed, I get that part, but you need to keep supplies up, the numbers will be the same, and likely more, as things open up.
So, with it go up 50 %? If so, thats what, thrity thousand a day, then say five contacts, thats one fifty thousand every day.
Now, trace those 150 thousands, get them in quarantine, then keep an eye for fourteen days on that 150 thousand ,plus the 100 odd thousand thats on day two of their quarantine and so on.

Weren't we just talking testing? Yes, we would have to dramatically increase testing. I get it. Yes, tests and testing would have to increase dramatically. But it's the only safe way to get people back to work in the middle of a pandemic. Period. Otherwise we're flying blind.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Weren't we just talking testing? Yes, we would have to dramatically increase testing. I get it. Yes, tests and testing would have to increase dramatically. But it's the only safe way to get people back to work in the middle of a pandemic. Period. Otherwise we're flying blind.

So, not weekly, it does absolutely no good. Even daily it leaves room for infections.
But daily, all of us, anybody ambulatory,walking, outside their homes.
Not just workers, wheres the safety cutoff in society as to who needs to be tested?
The person working, or the person who's stayed home but caught it somewheres going to the store?
Or, the children? No school? Should we all then be tested evety day? At 6.4 billion a day?

If anyone says no, then they are heartless?