What is your weird fixation on that? It's entirely meaningless.
What's in dispute here is you guys saying Tesla doesn't market or advertise. Which is pure nonsense. If you'd never said that nonsense, none of these subsequent posts would've occurred.
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What's in dispute here is you guys saying Tesla doesn't market or advertise. Which is pure nonsense. If you'd never said that nonsense, none of these subsequent posts would've occurred.
I think it's fair to say they don't advertise or market themselves in all the same ways other companies do. But all the car companies do the same things Tesla does. Tesla does a subset. Or at least, that's what they tell everybody.
You are arguing with yourself if you think someone is saying Tesla doesn't market. Of course they market themselves. Please show me any Tesla commercial you've seen.
You doubt? So then, as I said, you don't know how these things work.
He gave an accurate description of the infrastructure behind busy websites of the sort Tesla operates. There are variations in the details from one site to the next. But they are all doing pretty much what he described and any differences are incidental to the point being made.
That you are even questioning it as “because he says so” when, for those of us with the requisite tech background, this is common knowledge, highlights that you lack the requisite knowledge to debate the point.
Tesla markets themselves constantly. And they advertise themselves and their products. They may not take out paid ads via other channels, per se. They may report their budgeting of those expenses differently than is typical for most companies. But Tesla’s reporting and budgetary weirdness doesn’t change the fact that they are marketing and advertising.
Hell, the fact that Tesla take pains to hide or downplay their marketing and advertising efforts just supports the point I made about how the most dangerously effective brainwashing is subtle marketing and advertising. People become even more susceptible when they don‘t even realize they’re being marketed to. Tesla’s weirdly half-hidden approach might partially explain their success at creating so many blindly faithful Zealots for their brand.
Propaganda = marketing. And Elon puts out a lot of propaganda...and his horde multiplies it.
It's propaganda in saying that they don't advertise. Now the horde can take it and run with it and say how popular they are without any advertising.
And here you finally acknowledge the only point which your tormentor made, and which you then typically distorted and magnified.
No one questions whether Tesla undertakes marketing. Of course they do, and it costs them 'significant' money.
The fact that they do not directly pay for TV, radio or print ads (generally recognized as 'advertising') is a fact, which you somehow found a way to contest. Poor show.
4th Q estimated Tesla deliveries. Berlin and Austin coming on line this quarter. Company is still in exponential growth mode.
that's what i'm talking about...self charging!
Thanks for posting that. And that wraps up my contributions to the discussion on Tesla advertising.
Amazing. I didn't think there was enough potential energy for 450 miles of travel per day.
You must be a real joy to be with. More ad hominem. I'm not replying to any more of your non-substantive posts after this.
When you use a charging station as the article states? What's magical about 450 miles if a charging station is involved? And I certainly wouldn't want to be around it on a cloudy day with no charging station nearby if they had consumed a bowl of 3 alarm chili the day before.
Another area where Tesla is at the leading edge - car insurance based on real-time driving behavior. I'm even a little leery of this, but expect much of this in the future.
Tesla is joining the crowd. Insurance companies have been moving in this direction for years.
Did I misread? There article said the van traveled 1,800 miles without a charge, but has a charge port available for when needed.
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its in the article. it's 450 miles on a full sunny day, with no charger, 70% or so on a cloudy day, but if you're in the dark, it states that you CAN use a charging station.
You misread. The article said it CAN travel 450 miles ON A SUNNY DAY. I assume there are clouds in Europe.
OK, telematics/on-board diagnostics devices (i call them dongles) can be installed (easy to do). I'd argue those programs are fairly rare. Telsa is the only automaker automatically collecting real-time data. I may wrong - perhaps other automakers have similar programs?
The article does not say the team charged the vehicle at any point on the 1,800 mile trip.
And it does not say they didn't.
And even if they didn't, that's 4 days to drive from NJ to Denver.
It's a question of collection.
A few manufacturers are starting to produce all-electric sailboats. Previously, all large cruising sailboats (40+ foot range) had diesel engines and, often, diesel generators to provide propulsion where needed as well as generate electricity for autopilot, nav systems, radios, etc. Over time, these boats have added solar panels, then wind generators, then towed water generators. These elements have gotten efficient such that, within the last couple of years, a cruising boat at sea can now rely entirely on "green" power generation and not need to run the engines and generators at all. So the next logical step, now in flight, is to remove that gear completely - or, at the very least, remove the primary diesel and replace it with an electric motor and retain a small generator for emergency / backup purposes.
You're unable to reply to the substantive ones, so I'd say you're pretty consistent.
these programs are rare? all of the major insurance companies have a "safe driver" program where they will install such a dongle in your car in exchange for some minimal discount...
That's what I'm looking forward to. A self-charging electric RV is a self-sustaining off-grid mini-home. Could just disappear out there as long as you want.
Some RVs have been incorporating all-electric, no propane designs for a few years now; add a big vehicle battery, effective solar, water collection/purifier and live anywhere and everywhere.
You're Debbie downer routine need not apply here.
It's an experimental vehicle and an interesting step. It's not supposed to be flawless. No one's buying that thing off the lot (or super edgy Web store!!).
But it's a different thing. Collecting basic perf data after the fact is one thing, and it has some value to the insurance companies, but that's it.
Real-time data is useful across a whole spectrum of applications. One that comes to mind relates to a white paper that I wrote about 10 years ago, proposing that V2I (vehicle to infrastructure) communications be leveraged to reduce state and local DOT costs related to road treatment.
It's a not widely known fact that in the northern part of the country the largest annual expense incurred by a state DOT is in road treatment - chemicals, vehicles and labor. They treat all roads basically the same, and at basically the same time. It's very much a blunt instrument approach.
Real time V2I data can tell the collecting agency a lot about road conditions, via the transmission of information related to ABS signaling, traction control signaling, speed vs. speed limit, wiper activation, etc. You can, with the appropriate algorithms, map very specific roadway conditions and target treatment application tactically, thus reducing cost.
Don't mean to interrupt the Tesla debate, but I attended the F150 Lightning preview tour in Philadelphia yesterday evening. Was only there for about 30 minutes. Each attendee was provided with a ride (we were not permitted to drive) around a "track" (in a mall parking lot that was blocked off), and the Lightning is aptly named. My driver whipped the vehicle around the track at a good clip. There were tents where a F150 Lightning Lariat was on display with the Frunk opened and various contractor tools were plugged into the truck. The Frunk seemed significantly smaller in person than it appeared in the pictures online.
They also had a display of the Lightning chassis with the body of the vehicle removed so that the location of the engines and the battery pack could be viewed.
There were also some displays highlighting Ford's (shared) charging network, and a tent showing the E-Transit work van. B&O (the speaker company) had a display too. The Lariat will have 8 B&O speakers, while the Platinum will have 18 speakers (more than SHI stadium?
) with speakers in the headrests.
The rep said the F150 Lightnings will become available in the summer of 2022. The Lariat grade will be in the $70K and above range and the Platinum could top out around $90K.
It was a long way to drive for 30 minutes, but it reinforced that we will wait for our reservation mature to an order. We are looking forward to becoming an owner of a Lightning, probably a Lariat and possibly a Platinum, but hopefully not at the $90K price point.
They also had a display of the Lightning chassis with the body of the vehicle removed so that the location of the engines and the battery pack could be viewed.
There were also some displays highlighting Ford's (shared) charging network, and a tent showing the E-Transit work van. B&O (the speaker company) had a display too. The Lariat will have 8 B&O speakers, while the Platinum will have 18 speakers (more than SHI stadium?
) with speakers in the headrests. The rep said the F150 Lightnings will become available in the summer of 2022. The Lariat grade will be in the $70K and above range and the Platinum could top out around $90K.
It was a long way to drive for 30 minutes, but it reinforced that we will wait for our reservation mature to an order. We are looking forward to becoming an owner of a Lightning, probably a Lariat and possibly a Platinum, but hopefully not at the $90K price point.
wouldn't you need to rethink how you deploy the maintenance crews then? if one area is getting pounded with snow RIGHT NOW and you send a crew over there, but then another spot gets extra icy an hour later, wouldn't you have wasted time crisscrossing the areas that the maintenance crews are supposed to cover? i understand from a cost perspective, but from an operational perspective, is it feasible to do JIT treatment?
90k for a truck that's hailed as the everyday workman's vehicle sounds insane to me. but that's awesome that you got to see/feel it in the flesh.Don't mean to interrupt the Tesla debate, but I attended the F150 Lightning preview tour in Philadelphia yesterday evening. Was only there for about 30 minutes. Each attendee was provided with a ride (we were not permitted to drive) around a "track" (in a mall parking lot that was blocked off), and the Lightning is aptly named. My driver whipped the vehicle around the track at a good clip. There were tents where a F150 Lightning Lariat was on display with the Frunk opened and various contractor tools were plugged into the truck. The Frunk seemed significantly smaller in person than it appeared in the pictures online.
They also had a display of the Lightning chassis with the body of the vehicle removed so that the location of the engines and the battery pack could be viewed.
There were also some displays highlighting Ford's (shared) charging network, and a tent showing the E-Transit work van. B&O (the speaker company) had a display too. The Lariat will have 8 B&O speakers, while the Platinum will have 18 speakers (more than SHI stadium?
The rep said the F150 Lightnings will become available in the summer of 2022. The Lariat grade will be in the $70K and above range and the Platinum could top out around $90K.
It was a long way to drive for 30 minutes, but it reinforced that we will wait for our reservation mature to an order. We are looking forward to becoming an owner of a Lightning, probably a Lariat and possibly a Platinum, but hopefully not at the $90K price point.
NYSDOT seemed to think so.
Bear in mind, what most authorities tend to do is deploy their physical assets to what you might think of as "forward operating posts". They don't all jump from the same depot in real time, but rather load up at the start of the event and go park somewhere central to the patrol area they're assigned to.
LOL. No. You're not tracking the discussion accurately at all.
First, nobody is tormenting me. Nobody here is capable of tormenting me. And I've neither distorted nor magnified anything. I've simply shined a spotlight on incorrect statements by a couple Teslarati. If what you're seeing looks distorted or magnified, I suggest a visit to an ophthalmologist.
Second, it's true that nobody here questioned if Tesla undertakes marketing. One of the Teslarati here said that they do NOT do it. The rest of us, apparently including you, already know that they absolutely DO do it and spend plenty of money on it. There was never any question about it. Just one poster who argued the opposite of what you just said, and what we all already knew.
Lastly, I never once said or implied that Tesla pays for TV, radio or print ads. I never insinuated it. I never suggested the merest chance of there being a sliver of a possibility of that. Why would I? I couldn't possibly care less and it's entirely irrelevant to the discussion about marketing and brainwashing and zealotry and cult-worship.
One person said "Tesla doesn't market". And then spent all this time trying to walk it back or deflect to other weird ****. With all the rest of us all agreeing that yes, Tesla DOES in fact market constantly.
i'm aware. is there any real world cost benefits that NYSDOT has realized? or are they still in assessment mode?
Now you've done it. Say 3 million hail mary's and self flagellate until your skin is fully flayed off.
One's person's Debbie Downer is another's realist. Come back and talk to me in 15 years when the technology is no longer experimental and the storage/charging infrastructure is developed to the point it could service more than a few college kid's experiments. In the meantime we''ll have to listen to soon to be Nobel winner Greta berate us with the economic knowledge of a high school senior and the total lack of awareness that she is being used.