dealerships are very ill prepared to handle the shift to BEV. service is such a big component of their revenue model that, inevitably, some, if not many will go out of business. i wouldn't want to own an auto dealership right now.
OT: Electric vehicles
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incorrect - Hertz is playing "full retail" for the 100k cars - unheard of - but further illustrates how far ahead Tesla is. And that is why I have become totally skeptical of the line " the competition is coming and when it does Tesla will be exposed". Been hearing that now for 5 years and still nothing out there that can compete on price/volume/value/range.
Early reports were incorrect. It’s a great deal for Tesla. Ford just reported a great quarter…
Both Musk and Hertz CEO said the deal was for full retail price. Why would Tesla give a wholesale discount when they're supply constrained already?
You think that will stop them? At least before an adverse decision via litigation.
That's a short-sighted statement that tells none of the actual story. The NTSB's job is to recommend regulatory action to the appropriate agencies - USDOT, FHWA, FAA, etc. Those agencies almost invariably adopt those recommendations.
Some recognizable regulatory efforts that the NTSB has been responsible for, in spite of having "no regulatory authority":
- TCAS
- GPWS
- Wind Shear Detection Systems
- Aircraft Lav Smoke Detectors
- Graduated Driver's Licenses
- 21 year-old drinking age
- Air bags
- CHMSLs
- CDLs
- Positive Train Control
Question about hybrids. I am starting to think I might be able secure a twelve and a half foot kayak in a Ford Maverick with the tilt up gate they have plus a fair amount of bungee cords. So anyway, my question about hybrids. Does the hybrid use the battery energy first and then switch to the gasoline or is it the other way around? Are there two gauges in the dashboard, one that says how much gas is left and one that says how much battery juice is left? Do the hybrid batteries cost a lot more than a normal one? Do they last as long? Thanks for any info.
It depends on the hybrid type, which doesn't really answer your specific question, but - I think your question might be moot, since there's no real chance you're getting a 12.5' kayak in a Maverick. The bed is 4.5' long. The half-fold tailgate adds another 18" in length. Your kayak would be more than 50% beyond the rear-most point of the vehicle.
Bleem,I initially ruled it out too. But I looked at one on the lot in Toms River. The tailgate has brackets that tilt the gate up on an angle . Yes, half the boat would hang out but the weight is not that much (55 pounds) and it would be focused on the gate and downward. Like I do now, the boat would be on an angle , not straight out.From what I hear, ordering a hybrid would mean a delivery of anywhere from four to six months from now. It is not like I have to get a new truck now, but I am at 124,000 miles and I really don’t like what is going on with gas prices. Wawa is now $3.50 a gallon. It may go back down, but I don’t know when or if we we will get back to $2 again. What is great is that you can put a refundable deposit down. They are selling them so fast, they know if people change their mind they will be able to sell them off the lot in five seconds. Still in the preliminary stage . No decision has been made.
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Model S is already being outsold. Not sure what you are not seeing. The only thing that matters is sales.
Outsold by what - the Porsche? If that is what you are referring to you completely don't get what is going on. I can buy a Mach e today at my local ford dealer - cant get a model y until June. Case closed
This is the article to read when people doubt Tesla has a five year advantage on the competition.
I don’t get why you guys get so defensive. I ordered a ID4 in July and still waiting. Case closed. I ordered F150 Lighting that won’t get filled until 3Q 2022. Case closed. Go and try to buy a Taycan and see what the wait is. Case closed.
Agree with jtung. I don’t think a single person on this thread said Tesla sucks. But to deny that every single major auto manufacturer is coming for Tesla and that every single car on the road will be a Tesla is just lunacy. There are so many brand loyalists that will NEVER touch a Tesla. My mother-in-law has had 5 Lincoln cars in a row. My wife has had 4 Volvos in a row. People are creatures of habit when it comes to cars and there are millions of Ford and GM loyalists, especially in the Midwest and Rust Belt, that you couldn’t pay to drive a Tesla. Regardless, Tesla is impressive but, for me, I’d go Taycan all day long.
Not defensive. Reality. This is about volume production. There's a reason most start up car companies have historically failed. Reaching volume production is insanely difficult. If you can't reach volume production, you can't make a profit on your vehicles (high end luxury EVs like the Taycan would be the exception).
But Ford, GM, VW, etc... have been producing at volume for decades...... ICE and EVs are not the same. Herbert Deiss seems to agree with me. At a recent "crisis meeting", Deiss told 200 VW executives that if they don't start innovating with "extreme urgency", they'll no longer be competitive. Disruption comes from the outside. Everyone used to have a Blackberry, until an outside company, with new technology, came in and made Blackberry obsolete.
So, you can claim the competition is coming. We've been hearing this tale for years. Legacy auto CEOs are good politicians and they're very good at saying the right things to keep their shareholders happy and insuring their golden parachutes. But, until they actually figure out how to scale production and make a profitable EV, it's all just talk. It's time to put up.
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I agree Tesla doesn’t have much competition right now. But I think its crazy talk if you think it’s not coming.
I agree Tesla doesn’t have much competition right now. But I think its crazy talk if you think it’s not coming.
That has not been my experience. Any Mach-E's on the lot I've seen are cancelled orders that are then marked up $7500 or more. Otherwise have to order.
Same exact experience here. I stumbled onto a Ford lot one day out of curiosity and it was clear that you either pay up or wait.
For reasons that escape me, he, and a couple other Teslarati here, seem to think that a business having a head start means it'll never be caught. And I suspect, when Tesla is caught, they'll refuse to ever concede the fact, much like the Trumperati refusing to accept that Trump lost the election.
Perhaps it's Musk's scent - it hypnotizes them?
This blatant, dishonest fabrication from you again?
No one on this thread has ever said Tesla will 'never be caught'.
What some of us are saying is that they have a 5-10 year lead at present (which is some head start).
You're projecting your views onto others. While you may not hold this viewpoint, the clear insinuation by some of the more cultish posters in this thread as that nobody will ever catch Tesla.
What's even more fun is that those same posters view the whole thing as a personal competition and take all this very personally. Whereas most of us couldn't GAF where any car manufacturers shake out competitively. I sure don't. I just like teasing people who do.
So now it is only a 'clear insinuation' on your part rather than 'them' asserting such?
Let me directly ask this thread then. Does anyone believe that Tesla can never be caught by another electric car manufacturer in the indefinite future?
Oh come on. You don't actually expect them to admit it, do you? Please.
On the internet, nobody looks in the mirror. Except me. I know I'm a douchebag and happily admit it all the time.
The California Air Resources Board deserves some credit, yeah. But EVs are due almost entirely to Elon Musk. Imagine the EV world today without Tesla leading the way.
Most people don’t even know that Tesla was founded in July 2003 by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning.
The quicker you pass through the third stage of grief, the better.