Office chargers are free. not sure how they would implement an idle fee.
OT: Electric vehicles
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I can't begin to imagine a solution to this daunting conundrum.
Sounds hopeless.
Did I misread, or did something change? Thought Tesla was opening up their charging network to allow non-Tesla vehicles access to their chargers?
They are, but right now, it's only in Netherlands, Norway, and France.
0.57 euros per kWh for non-Tesla vehicles vs 0.24 euros per kWh that a Tesla customer is normally charged.
A monthly subscription of 13 euros is offered that allows you to reduce the cost of recharging at the same price as a Tesla user, being able to cancel that subscription at any given time with no penalties applied.
Other European countries are being considered, but that depends on how things go with this initial opening phase.
https://www.torquenews.com/15475/tesla-supercharger-network-now-available-other-ev-companies
Thanks, so obviously, no immediate plans for the United States.
Thanks for the info. You missed Germany and Belgium!
"Will more sites open to Non-Tesla vehicles?
We’re starting with a select number of sites so that we can review the experience, monitor congestion and assess feedback before expanding. Future sites will only be opened to Non-Tesla vehicles if there is available capacity."
Do you see the day when Quick Checks, Wawas, Bucees, etc. offer Free charging as a way to get you to come in to buy their overpriced sandwiches, sodas, candy bars, etc. or would the cost of electricity and repairing the machines be too expensive to do that ?
For level 3 fast charging? Unlikely any time soon.
The free charging I've seen is all level 2. If you're at a WaWa for 10 minutes, it's pointless to plug into a level 2 charger even if it's free.
But honestly, it's so cheap to charge an EV. If you can afford the vehicle, you can afford the ~$10 to fast charge.
If you know anyone selling a used car or anything for that matter, when you meet the person, try to have someone with you and ALWAYS meet at your local police station parking lot.
Just got my Tesla Wall connector installed...Now just need the delivery of the Car in March and I am all set...all seems very exciting
How was the process on the wall connector install? Did you work with a Tesla recommended electrician? Any issues with electricals? What was the total cost? Thanks in advance
It was really painless. I used one of the recommended electricians on the Tesla site but also know that my friend used them too, Sure Electric out of marlboro.
I contacted them and they asked me to fill out an online form which was more about the house and the electric boxes(along with pictures). This was more for an assessment if I had enough amps to supply to the unit. After they reviewed they sent me an estimate for the with the ability to approve it and set an appointment.
After reviewing it cost ~$600 total and I got an appointment within a week(that was based off my schedule and their openings). The guy came out and took him about 2hrs from beginning to end. He also got a hook from Home Depot to secure the cord rather than having to wrap it around the unit as he said he has done so many of these and I would be better off, which after looking at it makes complete sense.
Very happy with everything as I was thinking it would have costs $1,500 at minimum as I heard that number thrown around randomly. Also, I was worried I wouldn't have enough electric supply for the unit which again may have added costs.
The Wall connector costs $550+tax from Tesla directly. I know friends who skipped the connector and just went with a 240V connector an electrician installed but after researching I decided this route due to charging speed
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Was talking with a friend who owns a Tesla model X. Over the course of 1-2 years:
-Had to replace an axle
-Replaced ball joint
-several software freezes while driving
Maybe he got a lemon? But they did not rate well in the JD Power dependability rating. Not throwing shade on Tesla. Thought they were a solid brand?
-Had to replace an axle
-Replaced ball joint
-several software freezes while driving
Maybe he got a lemon? But they did not rate well in the JD Power dependability rating. Not throwing shade on Tesla. Thought they were a solid brand?
I’m sure there may be some issues especially as they are trying to get cars out of production with all these shortages in the supply chain. Thing is I truly believe over time it should be less costly in repairs on an electric vehicle compared to ICE.
What do I know thiugh…
Toyota jumping on the hybrid truck bandwagon.
Lots of fluff in that article. The author is literally just making up numbers. Don't think he's spent much time researching the topic. But, he does use lots of pretty pictures and graphics.
No mention of:
Current EV adoption in Europe and China
The history of disruptive technology and exponential growth
Battery supply
Not sure how you do an analysis of the future of EVs without mentioning any of the above.
except the author's numbers were was based on this, rather than your "research" which consists of reading articles that confirm your bias:
That research is 2 years old and groups BEVs along with hydrogen and biofuels. Might as well throw flying cars in there too.
How about cite 2021 EV sales by country? Make projections based on real world sales numbers, semiconductor, and battery cell production. Discuss the $/kW cost decline of lithium ion batteries. Crazy thoughts, I know.
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except you can't just extrapolate adoption of technology in a logarithmic scale, especially when there are other factors and forces that can either hinder or accelerate the process of adoption - supply chains, price pressures, consumer behavior, the speed at which supporting infrastructure can accommodate. the truth is usually somewhere in between best case and worst case scenarios. This infographic is just presenting a couple of the cases in the in-between. to dismiss them as "not realistic' is, in itself, not realistic. but you can continue to drink the kool aid and making yourself an easy target for mockery.
Glad we agree the research article was garbage. No problem. There's a lot of misinformation out there regarding EVs.
thanks for reading. you must impress all the other third graders.
There's no discussing stuff rationally with people who get religious about a thing. And EVs are a religion to him. He's got that I'm a believer certainty about their future.
I mean, think about it. People who are proponents of rapid EV adoption should actually like that article as it suggests more needs to be done to increase the rate of adoption and ensure it sticks.
Perhaps the problem was it didn't say anything nice about Tesla, so it's all just fluff. Because Tesla's website and Musk's tweets never contain any fluff, right?
Perhaps the problem was it didn't say anything nice about Tesla, so it's all just fluff. Because Tesla's website and Musk's tweets never contain any fluff, right?
because....the gubmint and media are out to get tesla!
Hard to tell who's the bigger victim in their own minds, the Teslarati or the Trumpers.
its a good point though. everyone has their own value based assessment of whether or not its worthwhile to adopt EV's - this spans across all demographics, lifestyles, etc. the objective should be knocking down all the reasons NOT to adopt and make that value assessment so in favor of EV that it's a no-brainer.
Agreed. It was a decent article from the standpoint of illustrating potential flies in the ointment of continued rapid growth of EV adoption in an easily understandable way. And suggesting one potential fix for a a potential looming issue.
If nothing else, it should be thought provoking.
E Transit vans are now rolling off the assembly line in Kansas City.
Not happening. Too scarce, too expensive for the insane amount of batteries required.
Keep an eye out for sodium ion batteries.
Never even thought about since people would be spending more time at mini mart gas stations for charging than getting gas, they are more likely to go inside and buy snacks—
Electric Rams soonish—
The budding Biden-Musk feud was fun to follow…