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What are you paying per kWh for Home Charging?
My current conEdison monthly electric bill is 26.4265 cents per kWh for Supply, Delivery and something called System Benefit Charge.
Since I have a solar system via a PPA (wanted to purchase but decided not to die on that hill with then wife that was against ownership; died on a dumber one later that led to divorce), I have 2 different rates in Gloucester Co.
17 cents per kWh for solar generation; about 21 for grid through the thieves at AC Electric. Since solar system provides about 97% of what I need, it works out to about 18 cents per kWh.
 

Caliknight

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Current EV batteries are environmental nightmares. Mining for nickel is the hardest most environmentally unfriendly thing we know of at this point. We also aren’t even close to being able to fuel EV cars if it wasn’t.

Less than 2% of cars on the road are EV. Most in Ca. Ca can’t even keep the rolling blackouts from happening in the summer much less charge millions of cars. Absolutely a pipe dream right now. We aren’t close.

And good luck if you live in a cold wea r or state and you have one. Don’t plan on going far. Of course, there are no fueling stations anyway. I drive by them in LA. It’s pretty comical seeing people waiting.
 
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Current EV batteries are environmental nightmares. Mining for nickel is the hardest most environmentally unfriendly thing we know of at this point. We also aren’t even close to being able to fuel EV cars if it wasn’t.

Less than 2% of cars on the road are EV. Most in Ca. Ca can’t even keep the rolling blackouts from happening in the summer much less charge millions of cars. Absolutely a pipe dream right now. We aren’t close.

And good luck if you live in a cold wea r or state and you have one. Don’t plan on going far. Of course, there are no fueling stations anyway. I drive by them in LA. It’s pretty comical seeing people waiting.

This post is not just wrong but is knowingly wrong. I'll only respond to one point. There have been no rolling blackouts in California this year. The blackouts are in your conservative mecca, Texas.
 
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How are hybrid car sales going? Is a hybrid car a good alternative to an EV?

I'm personally no fan of hybrids - they have two propulsion systems. IMO, there is just more to go wrong. The single best thing about owning an EV, IMO is never going to a gas station.
 

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How are hybrid car sales going? Is a hybrid car a good alternative to an EV?
I have no idea about their sales figures, but whether a hybrid is better than an EV would vary from person to person. If you do long trips with it, you wouldn't have the hassle of trying to see where the charging stations on your route are, but you don't get one of the big benefits of owning an EV--virtually no routine maintenance. For me, losing all that maintenance is one of the big selling points, so I am not interested in a hybrid. Your order of priorities may differ though.

I stopped by a dealership today to check out a Bolt EUV they just got in. I don't love the car but was trying to see if I would save a significant amount by having a monthly payment on that compared to what I've been spending on gas until the electric Silverado I put a deposit towards arrives. They had a $5000 dealer upcharge over the MSRP and the interest rates are high now, they said one guy had a credit score over 800 and got a 6% interest rate. I told them if that's the case I'll just wait for the Silverado.
 

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Absolute ********. I live in Ca. I can tell you that you are 100% wrong.

And my post was 100% correct.
You are comparing the country to California - that does not help your argument. Electrical problems in Cali have nothing to do with charging EV's. Kind of the same way California wildfires have nothing to do with man made CC.
 
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Caliknight

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Gas cars are screwed too when there is no power.

Not nearly as much as electric. There are 2% EV's in the entire fleet of cars in this country. Most of those are in Ca. We can barely keep those going. Try going to a charging station around here. Hope you have an hour to kill.

We aren't close to being able to go electric. And with every nuclear plant that closes, we are farther and farther away.
 

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Not nearly as much as electric. There are 2% EV's in the entire fleet of cars in this country. Most of those are in Ca. We can barely keep those going. Try going to a charging station around here. Hope you have an hour to kill.

We aren't close to being able to go electric. And with every nuclear plant that closes, we are farther and farther away.
Why cant you charge at home?
 

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What if you aren't home? What if your power is out. What if you forgot to plug it in? What if you are on a trip?
I never drive more than 200 miles at once. Even if I did, I can’t find a super charger along the way?

What if my power is out? I still have a charge. Where am I going that is also out of power? Gas cars can’t fill up in an outage either.

Forgot to plug in? You ever forget to get gas?

lmao wut?
 
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Absolute ********. I live in Ca. I can tell you that you are 100% wrong.

And my post was 100% correct.

There haven't been rolling blackouts in California for a couple of years. And since you also live in California, you should know that Cali doesn't burn much coal for electricity. Coal generation is less than 1% of electrical energy generation here (compared to 22% nationwide; New Jersey is 1.5% coal).

 
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I never drive more than 200 miles at once. Even if I did, I can’t find a super charger along the way?

What if my power is out? I still have a charge. Where am I going that is also out of power? Gas cars can’t fill up in an outage either.

Forgot to plug in? You ever forget to get gas?

lmao wut?

The arguments are so dumb. There's a propaganda campaign from the oil and gas industry to discredit EVs and clean/renewable energy. The question to ask is - how many stranded EVs have you seen recently? (Answer is always the same - zero, none, nada, nilch.)
 

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The arguments are so dumb. There's a propaganda campaign from the oil and gas industry to discredit EVs and clean/renewable energy. The question to ask is - how many stranded EVs have you seen recently? (Answer is always the same - zero, none, nada, nilch.)
I like the geniuses that ask about charging in a blackout when they forget gas pumps don’t work without electricity either. Anyone remember hurricane Sandy?
 

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I like the geniuses that ask about charging in a blackout when they forget gas pumps don’t work without electricity either. Anyone remember hurricane Sandy?
Actually, in the aftermath of Sandy, some gas stations were able to remain open and pump gas using natural gas powered generators. Same as some homes continued to have power using whole home natural gas generators.

Presumably, given a powerful enough natural gas powered generator, one could also charge one's EV, too. Although perhaps not very rapidly.

Anyway, EVs and public charging infrastructure still have quite a ways to go to match the ubiquity and speed of refueling ICEVs w/so many gas stations. But yeah, power outages aren't really a useful comparative factor. And EV range and charging speed will continue to improve for a while yet.
 
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The possibility of lower repair costs is a plus for me

I will not be in the market for a car for a while so by then we should have good data to compare

My big decision will be lease or own since I will probably be retired from all my work adventures and might not be driving as much
 

Caliknight

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I never drive more than 200 miles at once. Even if I did, I can’t find a super charger along the way?

What if my power is out? I still have a charge. Where am I going that is also out of power? Gas cars can’t fill up in an outage either.

Forgot to plug in? You ever forget to get gas?

lmao wut?
You clearly don’t own an electric car. We do.

Do you always plan your trip around where to get gas and have to wait to get it? How many charging stations are there in NJ? How long do you think it takes to charge a battery and how many miles do you think you’d get in cold weather?
 
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What if you aren't home? What if your power is out. What if you forgot to plug it in? What if you are on a trip?
Ahhh...the "what if" arguments make a return. EV sales in California are over 30% and climbing. With all of your alleged problems, you'd expect EV sales to be plummetting. You must see stranded EVs all over the road. 🙄
Keep cherry picking.
 

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Actually, in the aftermath of Sandy, some gas stations were able to remain open and pump gas using natural gas powered generators. Same as some homes continued to have power using whole home natural gas generators.

Presumably, given a powerful enough natural gas powered generator, one could also charge one's EV, too. Although perhaps not very rapidly.

Anyway, EVs and public charging infrastructure still have quite a ways to go to match the ubiquity and speed of refueling ICEVs w/so many gas stations. But yeah, power outages aren't really a useful comparative factor. And EV range and charging speed will continue to improve for a while yet.
I almost ran out of gas looking for a gas station that worked. And then when some got generators, they all ran out of gas. Fun week that was.
 

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You clearly don’t own an electric car. We do.

Do you always plan your trip around where to get gas and have to wait to get it? How many charging stations are there in NJ? How long do you think it takes to charge a battery and how many miles do you think you’d get in cold weather?
Maybe you should read my situation again. I never drive more than 200 miles at a time and I would always be fully charged via over night charging at my home and/or work.

None of that applies to me.
 

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I almost ran out of gas looking for a gas station that worked. And then when some got generators, they all ran out of gas. Fun week that was.
We lost power for a little over a week, IIRC. But I had a generator and a Suburban w/a 42 gallon gas tank from which I could siphon gas. So was able to power my house and some of my neighbor's house the whole time.

Problem is, that generator is no longer working and although I've had a contractor in to give me a estimate, I haven't yet had the replacement (whole house natural gas powered generator) installed. Was hoping to wait until next summer while I get a bunch of other work done around my house first. I may have to rethink that strategy though, because otherwise, we're destined to have massive hurricanes with month-long power outages in late August and September. 😃
 
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I have no idea about their sales figures, but whether a hybrid is better than an EV would vary from person to person. If you do long trips with it, you wouldn't have the hassle of trying to see where the charging stations on your route are, but you don't get one of the big benefits of owning an EV--virtually no routine maintenance. For me, losing all that maintenance is one of the big selling points, so I am not interested in a hybrid. Your order of priorities may differ though.

I stopped by a dealership today to check out a Bolt EUV they just got in. I don't love the car but was trying to see if I would save a significant amount by having a monthly payment on that compared to what I've been spending on gas until the electric Silverado I put a deposit towards arrives. They had a $5000 dealer upcharge over the MSRP and the interest rates are high now, they said one guy had a credit score over 800 and got a 6% interest rate. I told them if that's the case I'll just wait for the Silverado.
I should add that with all that said, I would still save a little bit of money even if gas prices drop more after Labor Day like they always do, and I'd almost certainly save on maintenance costs. I just didn't find the cost difference to be drastic enough for it to be worth switching from driving my current car, which I love, to a Bolt that I'm really not crazy about. I did find it interesting though that they said they'd install a level 2 charging station at my house for free--I figured that would be an expensive call to an electrician.
 

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fleetworld.com has an article saying that EVs cost 22% less to service than ICE vehicles
 
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mildone_rivals

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Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear.
 

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If I remember correctly, a lot of gas stations bought generators/power sources to keep open after Sandy hit. In 40 years of driving, I have never had a problem getting gas.
Cool story. I couldn’t get gas during Sandy and gas stations generally do not work during a blackout.
 

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Cool story. I couldn’t get gas during Sandy and gas stations generally do not work during a blackout.
True story. I guess it depends on where you lived during that storm. But as I said gas stations did get generators afterwards. I also think NJ gave out money/grants for them. Thanks for calling it cool on a warm summer day. You da best.
 

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" Lucid now projects making between 6,000 and 7,000 vehicles. It first lowered a previous estimate of 20,000 vehicles to between 12,000 and 14,000 in February.

“This quarter has proven to be a very challenging period, and whilst we have experienced supply chain and logistics challenges along with the entire industry, the limitations of our logistics systems have compounded the challenge”...

Costs are rising for key components of EVs, including steel for vehicle bodies and lithium for batteries. And the global semiconductor shortage has resulted in factories running at less than full capacity while they await deliveries of computer chips."