You're attempting to have an honest debate with a guy who has spent years of his life telling one lie after another to push his agenda on an internet message board. Unfortunately, the fungus has spread into this thread. It's best to ignore.
OT: Electric vehicles
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Agree. Dude has mental illness and it’s a waste of time.
All good points.
One often overlooked stat is, due to the safety advantages of EVs, you and your loved ones are more likely to be ALIVE after a serious accident. The cost of insurance or repairs seems to take precedence over that fact. Odd.
"The interesting thing we're seeing now is that most of our commodities, most of the things that go into a Tesla, not all, but more than half, the prices are trending down"
-Elon Musk
Tesla Shareholder Meeting 8/4/22
In your quote, it sure sounds like Rawlinson is scapegoating and trying to soften the blow to shareholders. They couldn't get chips or batteries for a few thousand vehicles? Poor execution, planning, and management seems to be the problem. I have a problem with executives who are very well compensated for a company that is hemorrhaging money. The more I listen to Rawlinson, the more I think he's full of ****.
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So what happened to capitalism? It's amazing you can't make up your mind on how to argue it.
Great- china owns some mines. We can buy them, we can fund exploration and create our own. The US is also projected to have massive reserves. We just haven't committed to exploration.
All can be true statements. More mature companies have established relationships and contracts which help guarantee supply. Behemoths are still challenged so I'm not surprised a Lucid doesn't have the same supply assurance that tesla does right now.
Costs are trending down (,from essentially all time highs)
For all the most frequently used stuff people do when driving, touchscreens are not as good as mechanical switchgear. I've heard complaints about the latest Mercedes models due to their increasing reliance upon touchscreens for common operations which make for more distracted driving as drivers have to look down while locating the right touchpoints on the huge digital displays.
This is a thread about EVs. He's talking about EVs.
Let's not start silencing people because they are saying stuff we might not like to hear. Unlike much of his political trolling nonsense, Cali's presenting a case for expressing doubts about just how great mass EV adoption is strategically, and to a lesser extent, environmentally.
Why not argue, factually, that there are geopolitical tradeoffs with both ICEVs and EVs, and there are environmental concerns with both. But EVs, once they solve production/grid issues, will produce a whole lot less carbon which puts EVs ahead of ICEVs in the environmental goodness game. Or something along those lines.
I mean, rather than just telling him to go away because you don't like what he's arguing.
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Might be generational in the sense you mean because kids grew up using digital screens. But also might be generational in the sense that as we age, our ability to cognitively apply muscle-memory can degrade (from disuse, as compared to younger people, as well as from other aging-related changes).
In other words, using touchscreens without looking is easier for younger folks than older folks, in general. Which perhaps explains why it's Mercedes drivers complaining, since they tend to be older folks.
I can see not liking the touchscreen, for me it took a little getting used to. When driving I really can’t think of much I use it for. Most of it (radio, climate control, etc) is done though voice commands
I spoke with the owner. It’s his first week. Really like it. Rides 100% better than the ICE F-150. Range comes up 10% shorter than advertised but 280-290 was more than sufficient. It was a platinum trim and I was impressed with the interior finishes.
There is a huge divide on this. Most people over 40 (maybe over 50) probably prefer knobs and buttons to touchscreens for things like volume control, changing radio stations and controlling the heat and AC. Just my guess on that.
Range in heat like this is bound to be off I would think
If more people drove EVs, there would be less global warming and heat. Cali will agree with that.
Americans driving some EVs doesn’t do anything for “climate”.
Especially with China and India building new coal plants on a weekly basis. China isn’t even pretending anymore.
Especially with China and India building new coal plants on a weekly basis. China isn’t even pretending anymore.
I'm no spring chicken, but once you get familiar with a central touch screen and spend some time using it, it becomes second nature.
If you were to jump into a new vehicle that had knobs, buttons, and switches for everything, it would certainly take some time getting used to where everything is. Or, if you were to switch from an Android to Apple, or vice versa, it would take time to become acclimated.
And as stated above, the voice commands (at least in a Tesla) are top notch. You can say the same command many different ways and the car knows what you want.
I have both an Android and an iPhone and the only thing I can basically do is turn them off and hope when I turn them back on whatever funky thing was happening is no longer happening
Tesla voice commands are fine. Comparable to one our other cars, Audi A7's. Where the Tesla comes up woefully short is bluetooth phone callls. Everyone I am talking to when using it thinks I am in a wind tunnel or something. The Audi is waaaay better.
Cabin heat in the winter is really the only noticable range hit. Unless it's a frigid day, I can be comfortable with just the seat heater. Summer A/C doesn't really have a noticable affect on range for me.
Lastly, just like with an ICE vehicle, how you drive makes a huge difference. You can easily get more than the stated range if you learn to maximize regen and take it easy on the launches.
The nature of your commute (or most common trip) is big too. I use local roads and minor highways where I’m usually only going 25-55 mph with lots of regen during my 33 mile round trip commute for a lifetime average efficiency of 229 Wh per mile, lower than every other EV owner I know. If you have a longer, all fast highway commute, count on approaching or surpassing 300 Wh per mile.
Cabin heat in the winter is really the only noticable range hit. Unless it's a frigid day, I can be comfortable with just the seat heater. Summer A/C doesn't really have a noticable affect on range for me.
what's the point of having a car that goes 0-60 in 3 seconds if you're going to drive like a hypermiling grandma?
While it is not something one should have to do, I put some bullet microphone foam windscreens behind the headliner around my bluetooth microphone in my Ford Maverick, and it made a difference. I also put a lapel microphone fuzzy windscreen on the outside. It looks like a rabbit foot stuck to the headliner of my vehicle, but I get fewer complaints. Things like this should not have to be done on ANY car.
You can't accept facts either. That's ok, lots out there like you.
The estimated range thing throws me off. I charged up 100% before my Boston trip and the car said 320 miles (40 higher than advertise). My last charge at Electrified America 50% in 30 min with 206kw max charged speed.
You're missing the point. The EPA estimated range is not calculated based on someone driving like a maniac. That's true of any vehicle. If you drive hard, expect lower range and don't complain about it. You don't need to drive like a hypermiling grandma to get the rated range or better. Does one accelerate into red lights and stop signs, then apply the breaks? Or, let the regen alone bring the vehicle to a stop. Makes a huge difference. This isn't rocket science.
no, but with a car with prodigious amount of torque and instant power off the line, you best believe that i'm utilizing that quite a bit. and when passing on the highway. or even cruising on the highway. i'm not cruising at 55 or 65. its generally 75 or 80. point is, people who buy cars because of their performance capabilities aren't going to ignore those capabilities for the sake of gas mileage or battery range.
I'm afraid that's a VW issue. I've always found the range estimator on road trips in my model 3 to be very accurate. +/- 2% of actual.
That's rich, Brandon. Would anyone be surprised if you were paid by Russian trolls? Because there's a level of disingenuousness you bring that would drown a giraffe.
Can't fault him. What better way for a middle aged, unemployed virgin living in his parents basement to make a few bucks?
That's fine, and I certainly utilize the performance capabilities of my car too. But, it's not how range estimates work.
Definitely some people acclimate to it quickly and it works fine for them. But I think mechanical switches, at least well-made ones, work for 100% of people. Switching certain common functions to touchscreens can work, but was entirely unnecessary.
I guess maybe it was driven by a desire to add so much display real-estate that it presented problems for the design team when it came to properly locating mechanical switches.
Anyway, it's a livable problems - not nearly in the same universe of stupidity that is yokes in road-cars. (I'm just sticking that in here because I know @Knight Shift will tease me about it, so I'm beating him to the punch.
)Saw a Model S on the Parkway about 25 minutes ago up around Union. I would guess it was going 45mph tops. Everyone in all lanes was passing it with some in the same lane swerving around it due to its unexpected slowness.
Made me wonder what was up. Low charge? Overheating battery? I sure hope it wasn't just range-saving because it was going slowly enough to be dangerous for everybody.
To be fair, I see Porsche drivers doing the same thing
Have seen Lamborghini (and/or other exotic sports cars) doing the same.
I never see Porsche drivers driving under the speed limit. But I see all kinds of sports cars driving at or maybe 5 over the speed limit. I always figured it was because they'd accumulated too many points and had to behave for awhile.
I myself would never dream of exceeding the speed limit. So I have no points.
I again would point out that I never see them driving under the limit, but do see them driving at or just slightly over all the time. That might look like it's slower than the limit because everybody is passing them. But this Tesla today was clearly under the speed limit.