some folks don't want to acknowledge that things change and they need to figure out how to adapt. as for whether the changes are for better or worse is irrelevant.
OT: Electric vehicles
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If I need to charge, I charge when I get up in the morning (retired) and when I'm done driving for the day.
Just a me thing that I don't charge overnight since I charge Level 1 from an outlet on the side of my house outdoors.
Just did some calcs. Bought Escape on June 29th. We flew to vacation for 7 days so I didn't drive.
Currently 1200 miles in 83 days comes to 14.46 miles per day. 105 miles of the 1200 have been using gas. 23 of those 105 were because I drove home from the dealer on gas because they didn't charge it.
How do you square this with states like NY and CA adopting extremely aggressive 100% EV sales plans that go into effect likely before the issues you stated have been resolved?
2035 is 12 years away. I think it's hard to know what can and can't be resolved in that time period. Just looking at the advancements in the last 10 years shows you things can improve/change drastically.
I suspect though, if the technology lags, especially the battery tech, you'll see states start to push off these hard dates.
The other side to this is that many of the major automakers are also pushing for aggressive rollouts of EV cars, some going all EV in the future. Businesses don't risk billions for ***** and giggles. They must be confident in where the tech is heading in the near future.
You sure about that? Maybe, maybe not...either way I think that change will evolve over a hundred years or more not 2035 like most democrat governors are mandating. Either way it will be the market that will determine the timeline.
I'm not certain of anything, especially as regards the future. However, the sheer amount of money being invested in EVs right now, including charging infrastructure, suggests that even if some better options were to suddenly appear, EVs would still be pushed hard by manufacturers, politicians, etc. So as others have said, it's inevitable.
And while I agree it seems likely to take longer than some states want (2030 and 2035 seem unrealistic to me), I don't think it'll take close to 100 years for ICEVs to pretty much disappear. Hybrids may be around that long, however. Was about to say "we'll see", but medical science hasn't improved that much yet.
And it seems pretty clear to me that EVs (and hybrids) are better for our environment than ICEVs. Not perfect or even close to perfect. But still an improvement.
Yup. We humans tend to wait until after some disaster to move on stuff that costs a lot of money. That's what happened in FL w/their requirement for evacuation route gas station generators.
And I get it, politics and all. But since both parties are spending without any concern for paying for stuff anyway, we might as well get a head start on emergency preparedness that accommodates EVs. I bet most states don't have anything like that yet.
Those edicts coming from democrat governors are unconstitutional and will be challenged in court.
CA emissions requirements exceed federal standards, have for decades, and have been upheld.
There's no legal basis for the challenge you describe.
The part which says we are free to pursue "happiness" without interference from our government. Many people enjoy driving ICE vehicles and the government shall not infringe.
remember our constitution does not limit the power of the individual but limits the power of our government to infringe upon our rights!
That's even weaker than what I thought you were gonna say.
Please film yourself if you ever bring that to court.
I'll emphasize again the poster way lying about rolling California blackouts. There have been no rolling blackouts in recent days.
California has a waiver from EPA with regards to air emissions. I believe this waiver is actually written into the Clean Air Act. If anyone is interested, I can look it up.
Bear in mind, the Trump Administration tried to do away with the waiver. California ultimately prevailed, in part, because the Trump Administration didn't do the administrative part well at all.
Don't even both with the troll. He doesn't post in good faith, and that's the absolutely more generous thing I can write about this bot.
Li Ion batteries are here to stay. Manufacturing is scaling up globally. Major breakthroughs in the battery world move at a snail's pace.
@Caliknight
Still waiting on any news report of California rolling blackouts in the past two weeks...
Now you’re just being silly. If the pursuit of happiness meant what you are trying to make it mean, with respect to governance, then it’d be perfectly legal for me to drive 200mph on the interstate. Which it is not, understandably.
That would just make you stupid. Our form of government does not allow for it to interfere with private commerce. that is communism. As a free people we can conduct business however we want to. This will be challenged in court and the state will lose.
BTW I have never seen a group of people who want the government to mandate what they can buy but on this board we have a group of them who say, "Govern me harder, Gavin" It really is quite remarkable to see people actually begging the government to tell them what to do but here we are. Sad.
what if i paid @mildone to drive 200mph on the interstate? that's private commerce.
One could argue that doing nothing about the vast amounts of carbon humanity had added to the atmosphere is at least as stupid as me driving 200mph on the interstate. In fact, some extremely smart people who don't GAF about politics in any way, shape or form, are arguing just that.
I don't want to see mandates for manufacturers to sell only EVs and hybrids. But government exists, in part, to make the tough decisions that people will never make on their own. To make decisions that are a little painful or inconvenient.
For example, government has to collect and pay for infrastructure improvements. Because otherwise, nobody would pay for it. That sucks for us to have to pay for it, but it has to get done and nobody seems to want to do it for free.
As for people begging the government, that's a bipartisan thing and it's been going on since before we were born.
I'd gladly drive 200mph on the interstate today for a cheeseburger tomorrow. Or something like that.
"Here to stay"?
C'mon, that doesn't even make logical sense. Nothing is here to stay. Check your garage - there's no horse and nothing runs on whale oil.
Making excuses or prophetic caution? I think they’re likely being wise. But I’m glad I am not betting on it.
I'll say it this way... Anyone waiting for some major breakthrough in battery technology before purchasing an EV, had better be prepared to wait at least a decade or more.
Every few months, we hear about prototype battery packs capable of charging from 0-100% in 5 minutes, solid state, sodium ion, different chemistries with higher energy densities, etc... Going from prototype to scale takes many years in this industry. Currently, there's not a single, major producer of batteries working to scale up some alternative technology. Just the opposite. They're all investing billions and going balls to the wall to increase production of Li ion cells. So yeah, Li ion is here to stay for the short/medium term. At least into the 2030s. Better?
So the government never spent trillions carelessly that turned into utter waste??? You're kidding, right. The amount of $ pissed away has no connection to why something will be effective or real.I'm not certain of anything, especially as regards the future. However, the sheer amount of money being invested in EVs right now, including charging infrastructure, suggests that even if some better options were to suddenly appear, EVs would still be pushed hard by manufacturers, politicians, etc. So as others have said, it's inevitable.
And while I agree it seems likely to take longer than some states want (2030 and 2035 seem unrealistic to me), I don't think it'll take close to 100 years for ICEVs to pretty much disappear. Hybrids may be around that long, however. Was about to say "we'll see", but medical science hasn't improved that much yet.
And it seems pretty clear to me that EVs (and hybrids) are better for our environment than ICEVs. Not perfect or even close to perfect. But still an improvement.
I wasn't talking about the government at all.
I'm talking about private sector corporations who have spent, and are spending, huge sums of money on EVs. Automotive manufacturers. Folks who want to become EV manufacturers. Battery makers. Businesses building out charging infrastructure, etc.
At the rate they're all spending, you can bet that they will collectively lobby politicians on both sides, successfully, to ensure their investments pay off, just like every other special interest does. Follow the money.
'Range Anxiety' - How Far Can An EV Go On One Charge?
EV adoption has grown rapidly in recent years, but many prospective buyers still have doubts about electric car ranges.In fact, as Visual Capitalist's Govind Bhutada details below, 33% of new car buyers chose range anxiety - the concern about how far an EV can drive on a full charge - as their top inhibitor to purchasing electric cars in a survey conducted by EY.
So, how far can the average electric car go on one charge, and how does that compare with the typical range of gas-powered cars?
The Rise in EV Ranges
Thanks to improvements in battery technology, the average range of electric cars has more than doubled over the last decade, according to data from the International Energy Agency (IEA).
Max range for EVs offered in the United States.
Source: IEA, U.S. DOE
As of 2021, the average battery-powered EV could travel 217 miles (349 km) on a single charge. It represents a 44% increase from 151 miles (243 km) in 2017 and a 152% increase relative to a decade ago.
Despite the steady growth, EVs still fall short when compared to gas-powered cars. For example, in 2021, the median gas car range (on one full tank) in the U.S. was around 413 miles (664 km)—nearly double what the average EV would cover.
As automakers roll out new models, electric car ranges are likely to continue increasing and could soon match those of their gas-powered counterparts. It’s important to note that EV ranges can change depending on external conditions.
What Affects EV Ranges?
In theory, EV ranges depend on battery capacity and motor efficiency, but real-world results can vary based on several factors:- Weather: At temperatures below 20℉ (-6.7℃), EVs can lose around 12% of their range, rising to 41% if heating is turned on inside the vehicle.
- Operating Conditions: Thanks to regenerative braking, EVs may extend their maximum range during city driving.
- Speed: When driving at high speeds, EV motors spin faster at a less efficient rate. This may result in range loss.
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/range-anxiety-how-far-can-ev-go-one-charge
There’s no need to when I wake up every morning to a “full tank,” parked in my own garage. If I do drive a full 295 miles all at once (my current full charge range), it has been easy to make sure I end up near a Supercharger, the same time I need to pee and/or eat. (Yes, I’m aware not all EV owners have the options at home and on the road that I do.)