if congress agrees to raise the weight limit, almost every single highway and road, all bridges and tunnels will have to be studied to see if it can accommodate the extra load.
OT: Electric vehicles
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if congress agrees to raise the weight limit, almost every single highway and road, all bridges and tunnels will have to be studied to see if it can accommodate the extra load.
I own a XC60 Recharge extended range, While it is not "sporty" in the sense of a sports car when in power mode that 455HP makes it seem like a rocket ship when it has to be.
It’s 6x over the last 5 years. 60ish x over the last 10.
Semantics i guess but 10 year growth of 60x is significant.
A lot of money spent on electric bus pilot program:
Since I was 30 (I am 55 now) I have owned BMWs: one 4 series, several 5 series, and several 7 series plus a few Mercedes trucks: have owned several GLS450 and one G550 (my previous favorite). The Tesla I bought about a year ago is my favorite car I've ever owned.
Now, I've never been what anyone would describe as a "car guy". I just have never been passionate about cars the way I see you and many others on this thread are. And I am definitely more a "tech guy". So that probably explains why I find the Tesla to be my favorite.
Total US vehicles in existence is probably ~1% EVs. Not sure why you care so much about this backward looking metric.
US new car sales ~5% EVs (and growing). The metric that matters for the future.
NYC using electric busses since 2019.
statistics and numbers can be used to tell any story. 1% in total existence is correct. 5% of total new sales is correct. neither is wrong. its the narrative that you two are putting around those numbers that is different. just move on from bac.
My bad, had a link from finding alpha in the previous post. Not sure what happened. This one from car and driver says 4.6%. Discrepancy may have been finding alpha including hybrids?
But new sales is a better indicator of which direction we are heading. As is the number of ev and battery plants being built in this country.
All cars on the road is a stat that is weighted very heavily towards the previous 10 years of car sales which had been around 99.5% icev.
I agree with this and other posts that point to new car sales as the leading indicator. I’ll only note that the arguments are with people posting with obvious bad faith, and leave it at that.
In terms of "fun cars", I was thinking more about sports cars than sedans or SUVs. So: BMW M series, Mercedes AMGs, Lambos, Ferraris, McClarens, Porsche's, etc., plus the different American muscle cars, and the wide range of tuner cars that can wind up wildly exciting after people modify and tune them.
However, it's pretty meaningful (to me, at least) that you've had 7 series BMWs and some Merc's and still like your Tesla. Because it means you know what a true luxury car is with great fit and finish. I've seen a fair amount of luxury car owners who got Teslas and complained about fit and finish and lack of "luxury". But everybody's different, and different people can have very different experiences with the same car.
because facts matter here when we have polticians setting mandates based on climate change concerns...not me being poltical..them
True. But I don't think there's a single person in this thread who doesn't think that pure ICE cars are going to be phased out and EVs and hybrids are being phased in.
Some folks, like Bac, are opposed to having government mandates about what can be sold. I sympathize, but don't entirely agree with that position. I'm a little skeptical of CA/NY's target dates, but also understand that if they don't push a little, the changeover will take forever.
I'm not opposed to government encouragement. But would prefer to see government focus more on infrastructure investment (more chargers everywhere) then on purchasing incentives. Partly because, if EV infrastructure lags too much behind EV adoption, it will create problems for a lot of people. And partly because whenever government creates financial incentives for people to purchase EVs, manufacturers simply raise their price to swallow that cost-savings that was intended for the consumer.
I would never argue that the growth rate isn't fast and accelerating right now. That's undeniable.
Again, I was merely struck by the humor in the coincidence of saying "exponential" while posting a chart that actually wasn't. Still makes me chuckle.
I would think everybody on these RU Rivals forums knows, by now, that I'm significantly lacking in seriousness about almost everything that gets discussed. I'm mostly, but not entirely, in it for the laughs.
Life is way, way too short to be serious all the time. People can and do accomplish great and serious things while also laughing the entire time.
But the percentage of EV autos at the end of 2020 or 2021 relative to total cars on the road is just one small piece of the puzzle. As important, if not more, is the adoption rate of EVs because that's what future projections will be based on - the growth rate of EV adoption.
most reasonable ppl should be able to make that distinction. only those who are trying to make a point in favor of their view/opinion would want to ignore that.
Is 60x in 10 years not exponential? Sure it’s “merely” a double yoy but any chart if broken down to a small enough timeframe will make what is exponential growth look much less impressive.
Yes. Facts matter. Some are more important than others.
We all know why you're here. These paper thin mandates are the latest topic you're being told to get worked up about. You're buying in as always. Yesterday's "Obama is wearing a tan suit" and transgender men in the ladies room, is today's EV mandate. In a few weeks you'll forget all about EVs and get worked up about some other garbage....rinse and repeat. Funny you don't see the pattern.
This machine is required to move 500 tons of earth/ ore which will be refined into one lithium car battery. It burns the non-green gas at a rate 900-1000 gallons of fuel in a 12 hour shift.
The Lithium is refined from ore using non- green sulfuric acid. For example the proposed lithium mine at Thacker Pass in Nevada is estimated to require up to the non-green 75 semi loads of sulfuric acid a day, like other Lithium mines in Australia, Chile, Argentina, and China
The battery in an average Tesla, is made of 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. In total it is averaging 750-1,000 pounds of non-green minerals, that had to be mined in a non-green mind and processed into a non/green battery that merely stores electricity. Then it is powered by Electricity which is generated by non-green sources including oil, gas, coal, nuclear, water (and a tiny fraction of non-green wind and solar).
The truth about “green" energy is it’s not green. It’s untruthful to use the word green. This is about enriching Billionaires in those business who have done a sales job based on the lie that the planet is going to end in ten years if you don’t go green a green that is not green.
The only thing green about the green new deal is profit made by companies who claim they are green but are using what they claim as non green to build and maintain their fake green systems.
The reason it’s not working well is because it’s not truly green and it’s very expensive… Do you want to go green? Start first by putting up a clothesline and let the wind blow dry your clothing… unless you are willing to do that you talk green but know little about what green really looks like.
True Green technology will come, but we are 20 to 30 years from its Reality. In the meantime we must continue to push on these technology fronts and be honest about the true cost of fake green. 
Just saying the obvious once again.
The Lithium is refined from ore using non- green sulfuric acid. For example the proposed lithium mine at Thacker Pass in Nevada is estimated to require up to the non-green 75 semi loads of sulfuric acid a day, like other Lithium mines in Australia, Chile, Argentina, and China
The battery in an average Tesla, is made of 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. In total it is averaging 750-1,000 pounds of non-green minerals, that had to be mined in a non-green mind and processed into a non/green battery that merely stores electricity. Then it is powered by Electricity which is generated by non-green sources including oil, gas, coal, nuclear, water (and a tiny fraction of non-green wind and solar).
The truth about “green" energy is it’s not green. It’s untruthful to use the word green. This is about enriching Billionaires in those business who have done a sales job based on the lie that the planet is going to end in ten years if you don’t go green a green that is not green.
The only thing green about the green new deal is profit made by companies who claim they are green but are using what they claim as non green to build and maintain their fake green systems.
The reason it’s not working well is because it’s not truly green and it’s very expensive… Do you want to go green? Start first by putting up a clothesline and let the wind blow dry your clothing… unless you are willing to do that you talk green but know little about what green really looks like.
True Green technology will come, but we are 20 to 30 years from its Reality. In the meantime we must continue to push on these technology fronts and be honest about the true cost of fake green. 
Just saying the obvious once again.
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Death, taxes and bac and Co diving off the deep-end about the latest Fox News/Breitbart/OAN obsession.
What a waste of energy getting worked up about a law that a. is a decade in the future and b. doesn't even apply to him.
God forbid something should threaten to shatter bac's obviously fragile fabrication that it's still 1982.
You are attempting to redefine the chart in question, which showed multiple periods of change, into a hypothetical different chart that shows only one period of change. But the chart, as it was presented and not as it could be loosely interpreted while ignoring the actual included series values, failed to exhibit exponential change across the entire series.
If you want to revise the chart, then perhaps you could create a new chart that DOES show exponential growth, perhaps by only listing decades and not a series of YOY values.
Still much cleaner than oil production and refinement.This machine is required to move 500 tons of earth/ ore which will be refined into one lithium car battery. It burns the non-green gas at a rate 900-1000 gallons of fuel in a 12 hour shift.
The Lithium is refined from ore using non- green sulfuric acid. For example the proposed lithium mine at Thacker Pass in Nevada is estimated to require up to the non-green 75 semi loads of sulfuric acid a day, like other Lithium mines in Australia, Chile, Argentina, and China
The battery in an average Tesla, is made of 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. In total it is averaging 750-1,000 pounds of non-green minerals, that had to be mined in a non-green mind and processed into a non/green battery that merely stores electricity. Then it is powered by Electricity which is generated by non-green sources including oil, gas, coal, nuclear, water (and a tiny fraction of non-green wind and solar).
The truth about “green" energy is it’s not green. It’s untruthful to use the word green. This is about enriching Billionaires in those business who have done a sales job based on the lie that the planet is going to end in ten years if you don’t go green a green that is not green.
The only thing green about the green new deal is profit made by companies who claim they are green but are using what they claim as non green to build and maintain their fake green systems.
The reason it’s not working well is because it’s not truly green and it’s very expensive… Do you want to go green? Start first by putting up a clothesline and let the wind blow dry your clothing… unless you are willing to do that you talk green but know little about what green really looks like.
True Green technology will come, but we are 20 to 30 years from its Reality. In the meantime we must continue to push on these technology fronts and be honest about the true cost of fake green. 
Just saying the obvious once again.
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so your only real complaint is who is the one profiting from all of this? sorry to break it to ya, but some billionaire is always going to profit...it doesn't matter what line of business you're talking about.This machine is required to move 500 tons of earth/ ore which will be refined into one lithium car battery. It burns the non-green gas at a rate 900-1000 gallons of fuel in a 12 hour shift.
The Lithium is refined from ore using non- green sulfuric acid. For example the proposed lithium mine at Thacker Pass in Nevada is estimated to require up to the non-green 75 semi loads of sulfuric acid a day, like other Lithium mines in Australia, Chile, Argentina, and China
The battery in an average Tesla, is made of 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. In total it is averaging 750-1,000 pounds of non-green minerals, that had to be mined in a non-green mind and processed into a non/green battery that merely stores electricity. Then it is powered by Electricity which is generated by non-green sources including oil, gas, coal, nuclear, water (and a tiny fraction of non-green wind and solar).
The truth about “green" energy is it’s not green. It’s untruthful to use the word green. This is about enriching Billionaires in those business who have done a sales job based on the lie that the planet is going to end in ten years if you don’t go green a green that is not green.
The only thing green about the green new deal is profit made by companies who claim they are green but are using what they claim as non green to build and maintain their fake green systems.
The reason it’s not working well is because it’s not truly green and it’s very expensive… Do you want to go green? Start first by putting up a clothesline and let the wind blow dry your clothing… unless you are willing to do that you talk green but know little about what green really looks like.
True Green technology will come, but we are 20 to 30 years from its Reality. In the meantime we must continue to push on these technology fronts and be honest about the true cost of fake green. 
Just saying the obvious once again.
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bizarre post that says something about you
No, it's about you. And it's spot on. And everyone knows it.
No that is not my only complaint with EV's. I have lots of complaints with EV's the biggest being it is better for the environment. As my brief article describes most of the carbon footprint of EV's is in the car prior to it even leaving the factory. Add on top of that to make one EV battery strips acres of land and destroys the environment. EV's are not better for the environment, that is patently false.
no this is a thread about electric vehicles and the advance of production and technology which does tie in with mandates which are poltical
instead a bunch of you who cannot have an adult discussion have resorted to throwing personal attacks my way instead of debating the issues, why would someone bring up trans or OAN in this thread...quite bizarre and quite telling who the hypocrites and babies are here
You linked a Facebook post not an article
So? The facts hold based on hundreds of articles I have read. This persons post nicely encapsulates the untrue argument that EV's are better for the environment.
This is an article. It has facts from studies that are cited.
Did you just quote Coke Jr.???
Holy ****, dude... talk about following the rat down the hole.
FYI, Keystone has nothing to do with gasoline. Not a damn thing. It's a transit conduit, from Canada to shipping points in the Gulf, to be used to ship low-grade crude offshore. It has absolutely nothing to do with gas prices, nor could it ever.
A) meant to post that on the CE board B) that post doesn't even mention Keystone pipeline so I do not know what you are even talking about C) You really should not post when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. its not a good look.