Did you sign up for that plan? I don’t remember if we had options. What are your rates between peak vs off peak?
OT: Electric vehicles
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I don’t remember signing up for it. Just double checked- 15.5 cents on and 9.6 off. Add it all up and it comes to 13.2 combined
Wouldn't wait for one that hasn't even debuted in concept/prototype form yet (the Ram).
If you can get by with a standard range battery (230 max miles vs. 320 miles), you can search cars.com and you will find Lariats with standard range batteries available at some dealers without markup. They are going for about $72,000. There is no sales tax, and you will get a $7,500 federal tax credit if you buy before the end of the year. That will get you down to about $64,500, and put you at an equivalent cost for an ICE pickup of about $60,000 (plus the sales tax).
IIRC, you were a RU football player. All American Ford in Old Bridge and Pt. Pleasant is a sponsor. They might be willing to work with you.
Looks like DCH in Eatontown has a Lariat and a PRO at $54,000. Ford made some additional Lightning vehicles that were not ordered, and they have been arriving on the lots.
That’s really **** up that Ford is making none preorder when there are so many still waiting
This would be my first one. I realized I either need to pay my guy 5k a year in gas credit to run around or pay him 1k in electric credit. After 5 years it's a no brainer.
I think fleets are going to eat up trucks and IF they can crack this nut on vans (right now the charging ranges are just horrible to me) it's going to change things.
We can carry sheetrock, tile, lumber, windows etc in the back and then tools will stay in the frunk.
Wow that's amazing. Yeah if I could test drive one first that would be strongly preferred.
You don’t need to test drive it. It’s a great ride. What you do need to worry about is the 5.5 ft bed. Not sure it’ll carry everything you described, especially Sheetrock. Range won’t be an issue if you have a 240v outlet. I’m interested to hear if any of those advertised prices will hold.
Fleet owners in general are going to eat up EVs. We're already seeing it in the rental business. Agree, a no-brainer.
I agree about sheetrock but we would just have the back tailgate down with the material tied down. Only truck that can carry sheetrock are the vans but their ranges are horrible. Ford transit van is like 126 miles on a full range but it takes it 8-12 hours to fully charge. That's worthless. You forget to charge one day, you're toast.
240v outlet we'll install if needed.
Having researched the last few weeks, Amazon has an exlusive contract with Rivian for electric vans (I know Amazon partially owns them but still) similar with FedEx. If that's what those delivery companies are doing I want to follow.
If you don’t have 240v, it takes days (not hours) to charge. Most of the people I know that actually use a truck for a living want the crew cab with full size bed. The super crew cab with 5.5 ft bed is for posers like me. Definitely don’t buy the Lariat trim for a work truck.
We ran a 100 amp circuit to our garage to power the 80 amp charger supplied with our Lightning. It was expensive, but worth it.
You should act fast on any vehicles on a lot. There are very few available. Some dealers may be selling their test units in December. Try All American Ford in Point Pleasant. They are a Rutgers football sponsor.
Originally it was but got pushed back to CES.
If you have time, would be worth waiting to compare. Otherwise, the F-150 looks pretty damn good for use as an e work truck.
I will buy one next year for the tax writeoff I think. If I have to run a new 100 amp circuit that kind of sucks, might need to store this thing at my office then. I was hoping to just install a separate circuit at my handymans house lol
I drive a Ram 1500 right now. 2022 and I don't think I will ever again drive something that isn't a pickup. I love it. Feel like I am sitting on a couch in that thing.
I installed a full charging station, which is 80 amps, and required 100 amp breaker. Our garage could not be further away from our main breaker panel. We had to run about 80 feet of 2 gauge romex (me and the Mrs ran the wire and the electrician connected it) to a subpanel midway, and then about another 70-75 feet of #3 wire and a #6 ground from the subpanel to the garage.
You can charge off of a 240 v smaller breaker, it will just be slower.
From Ford, the standard range battery:
Using a 150kW+ DC fast charger, the standard-range 98kWh pack can charge from 15-80% in about 36 minutes. The extended-range 131kWh pack can charge from 15-80% in 41 minutes**.
Using 120V, the charger adds 2-3 mile of range per hour. It will take about 60-80 hours to go from 20% to 80%
Using 240 V, users have said they can add 19-20 miles of range per hour, which would take a standard range batters about 10 hours to charge--basically overnight.
Damn, that looked pretty scary. For sure I want to know what the cause was because if the videos aren't faked or otherwise misrepresentative of what happened, that was very bizarre.
Hard to imagine a driver not being way too scared to drive like that unless there was a stroke or some other brain-function related problem.
I would guess it's one of:
(1) Faked videos and a fake story.
(2) A human driver suffering some sort of severe cognitive issue.
(3) A serious technical issue.
I'll add (2a) some kids trying to steal the car or something weird like that where the "driver" was unable to control the vehicle. Always possible there was some sort of weird circumstance like that. But yeah, very bizarre.
This EV Macan article, if accurate, is disappointing to me. Been holding out and awaiting the specs, and will wait a bit more. But 300 miles of range is insufficient for my needs.
How much range you looking for?
400 feels like the sweet spot for me, though it would depend on how much winter drop-off it's likely to experience.
I think 250 would be enough for a secondary commuter for mostly in town.
I have three primary needs for an SUV, long road trips while hauling varying amounts of stuff, inclement weather where I don't want to be driving a low sports car around, and times when I need to haul more than 2 people.
A 2022 Macan GTS's tank is listed as 17 or so, but is really about 19. So at 22 mpg highway, that would be a bit over 400 miles. However, it'd really be less w/typical 80mph highway speeds. Not great, but at least getting gas is quick and easy at the moment.
For an EV version, it'd have to be 400 (at 80mph) at a bare minimum. But realistically, given that at the moment public chargers could be busy when stopping, and the delays could be hours if there's a lot of people waiting given that a full charge takes a while, I'd really want closer to 600 which just ain't happening (for a while).
I loath long stops on road trips. So I think a gas SUV is in my immediate future with an EV version in 5-10 years or so. I figure by then public charging infrastructure will be vastly more numerous and reliable, range will be improved, and charging speed will be improved too. I'm in no rush and won't be driving the SUV much anyway.
Still, I'll try wait a bit longer to get the actual specs before finalizing a purchase decision as it's a crappy time to buy cars right now anyway. I think there's a good chance that within the next 12 months, high interest rates and bad economic #s could combine to force new car prices down to sane levels.
This will go down as yet another goose egg in your quest to disparage EVs.
You might want to consider a handle change:
Anger? Don't flatter yourself. I really hope you clicked my link, because "useful idiot" suits you to a T. Maybe you'll learn something.
This thread took a reasonable point and then went stupid. Of course the exposure is mostly with ICE vehicles. Thanks captain obvious. The point about depreciation is stupid. Depreciation is currently favorable to EV because they are in short supply and in demand. Once the majority of cars become EV, the normal depreciation cycle will resume. Also, exposure to residual values only matter with leased vehicles. For purchased vehicles, the risk is passed on to the consumer.