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Knight Shift said:
That guy seemed to have an axe to grind with Musk, which is not surprising coming from the NYT with their typical agenda-based BS. But I digress, and I will take the micro-victory for Ford anyway, even if it is stupid. 🤣

Why would Farley disagree?
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The Times column was written by Ezra Dyer of Car and Driver.
 
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BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
High nickel cathodes for long range EVs.

On the anode side, replacing graphite with silicon seems to be the most talked about solution for longer range. Silicon anodes would boost range by up to 40%, but they degrade much more quickly vs graphite leading to fewer charging cycles. No one has been able to solve this conundrum with a cost effective solution so far let alone producing at scale.
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I thought this article summarized things well. Technologies will evolve slowly, but at the end of the day your average EV has increased about 25 miles per year. 5 years from now 500 miles will be the norm.

 
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Knight Shift said:
It's still the NYT, and I don't want to derail the thread. They have a long and storied history of mis-reporting and pushing agendas over facts. Yellow journalism at its finest.
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Seems to me you are derailing the thread. All I did was point out who wrote the column with no editorial comment about the writer or the publication.
 
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29PAS said:
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Seems to me you are derailing the thread. All I did was point out who wrote the column with no editorial comment about the writer or the publication.
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And I was just pointing out in the beginning that the piece was very biased and seemed to have some sort of weird undercurrent, probably not liking Musk, which is in keeping with the history of the publication that published the opinion piece. But thanks for your opinion on my opinion.
 
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Knight Shift said:
It's still the NYT, and I don't want to derail the thread. They have a long and storied history of mis-reporting and pushing agendas over facts. Yellow journalism at its finest.
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The NYT is the farthest thing from Yellow Journalism. Yes, the NYT Is too left-leaning and has made some huge mistakes, but is still a fine source of news.
 
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RUBlackout7 said:
I thought this article summarized things well. Technologies will evolve slowly, but at the end of the day your average EV has increased about 25 miles per year. 5 years from now 500 miles will be the norm.

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It can hard to see the forest from the trees while society goes through another great transformation. However, when we look back, it is amazing to see how fast and how far things have changed.
 
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Knight Shift said:
And I was just pointing out in the beginning that the piece was very biased and seemed to have some sort of weird undercurrent, probably not liking Musk, which is in keeping with the history of the publication that published the opinion piece. But thanks for your opinion on my opinion.
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I agree the editorial was crap. C&D has no love lost for Tesla/Musk and EVs in general. I read the NYT, but generally skip the op-ed pages entirely.
 
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29PAS said:
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Seems to me you are derailing the thread. All I did was point out who wrote the column with no editorial comment about the writer or the publication.
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That article wasn't based in reality. The NYT does appear to have an anti EV agenda. Remember the hit piece about EV charging? The author of that gem intentionally drove out of her way to avoid DC fast charging on a cross country road trip, then complained about her charging nightmare.
 
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BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
That article wasn't based in reality. The NYT does appear to have an anti EV agenda. Remember the hit piece about EV charging? The author of that gem intentionally drove out of her way to avoid DC fast charging on a cross country road trip, then complained about her charging nightmare.
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Politics aside, a lot of their "science-based" reporting leaves a lot to be desired. PhD from fancy schmancy universities that could not hack it in industry or academia opining on stuff when they have no real world or hands on experience. That was my original point about them. This goes back far into history, their reporting/opinions fitting a pre-conceived narrative- the Duke lacrosse scandal, and before that, at the eve of the start of World War 2, they literally wrote that Poland had invaded Germany. They are holding serve with their EV reporting.
 
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Knight Shift said:
Politics aside, a lot of their "science-based" reporting leaves a lot to be desired. PhD from fancy schmancy universities that could not hack it in industry or academia opining on stuff when they have no real world or hands on experience. That was my original point about them. This goes back far into history, their reporting/opinions fitting a pre-conceived narrative- the Duke lacrosse scandal, and before that, at the eve of the start of World War 2, they literally wrote that Poland had invaded Germany. They are holding serve with their EV reporting.
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Curious as to what news source you consider to be better than NYT (no op-eds - news reporting).
 
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WhichReligionIsRight said:
Curious as to what news source you consider to be better than NYT (no op-eds - news reporting).
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That's pretty easy. I eschew much of the biased reporting, but whenever I read/watch something from one of the many biased sources out there on both sides, it is never trust but verify, instead verify before trusting, and usually, never reach the trust stage. It is sad, but a reflection on today's world. But there are plenty of great sources:

For science based topics- blogs and scientific and medical journals.
EV stuff: Electrek
Medical: JAMA, NEJM
Financial: CNBC is not bad, WSJ is OK for strict financial stuff
Twitter: believe it or not following lots of great profs, scientists, MDs on topics of interest provides a wealth of info on medical topics of interest, particularly lipidology, cardiac health, EVs, exercise, nutrition, etc.

General News: Super Local Newspapers such as the Coast Star for South Monmouth
News Nation out of Chicago for general news, with verification and self-research
 
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As has been pointed out, the column was actually written by Ezra Dyer, of Car & Driver magazine.

So a couple of background points, for those unfamiliar.

Dyer as as good an automotive journalist as they get. He's worked with the best at C&D, guys who are legends in the industry.

Neither he, nor C&D, "hates" Tesla. But he is an automotive journalist and he's going to imply his - and his peers' - perspective that Tesla is an innovative company that builds revolutionary vehicles, but not very well, and that the business is run by a madman.
 
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RU4Real said:
As has been pointed out, the column was actually written by Ezra Dyer, of Car & Driver magazine.

So a couple of background points, for those unfamiliar.

Dyer as as good an automotive journalist as they get. He's worked with the best at C&D, guys who are legends in the industry.

Neither he, nor C&D, "hates" Tesla. But he is an automotive journalist and he's going to imply his - and his peers' - perspective that Tesla is an innovative company that builds revolutionary vehicles, but not very well, and that the business is run by a madman.
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Perhaps he thinks Teslas are Good, but not great. Fans of Tesla are Desperately Wanting , and perhaps for A Lifetime for automotive journalists Better than Ezra who may write that Teslas are Extra Ordinary, and they will be left Breathless and Grateful-they may even Tremble.
 
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Knight Shift said:
Perhaps he thinks Teslas are Good, but not great. Fans of Tesla are Desperately Wanting , and perhaps for A Lifetime for automotive journalists Better than Ezra who may write that Teslas are Extra Ordinary, and they will be left Breathless and Grateful-they may even Tremble.
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You need a vacation. lol
 
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Knight Shift said:
Perhaps he thinks Teslas are Good, but not great. Fans of Tesla are Desperately Wanting , and perhaps for A Lifetime for automotive journalists Better than Ezra who may write that Teslas are Extra Ordinary, and they will be left Breathless and Grateful-they may even Tremble.
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Or just write a fact based article. Ford sold a few thousand EV pick-ups. Tesla doesn't offer an EV pickup yet. Not sure how you can conclude that Ford is leaving Tesla in the dust based on that. Also considering Tesla sold 1.3 million EVs in 2022 compared to Ford's 20k. Tesla's EVs are profitable, Ford's aren't. I don't yearn for praised to be heaped upon Tesla. Facts will suffice. But, that's no how journalism works these days.
 
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BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
Or just write a fact based article. Ford sold a few thousand EV pick-ups. Tesla doesn't offer an EV pickup yet. Not sure how you can conclude that Ford is leaving Tesla in the dust based on that. Also considering Tesla sold 1.3 million EVs in 2022 compared to Ford's 20k. Tesla's EVs are profitable, Ford's aren't. I don't yearn for praised to be heaped upon Tesla. Facts will suffice. But, that's no how journalism works these days.
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I agree, but youay have missed the joke.
 
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BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
Or just write a fact based article. Ford sold a few thousand EV pick-ups. Tesla doesn't offer an EV pickup yet. Not sure how you can conclude that Ford is leaving Tesla in the dust based on that. Also considering Tesla sold 1.3 million EVs in 2022 compared to Ford's 20k. Tesla's EVs are profitable, Ford's aren't. I don't yearn for praised to be heaped upon Tesla. Facts will suffice. But, that's no how journalism works these days.
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Nobody has explained corporate finance to you, yet, I see.

They said that "the Lightning program" was not profitable. The individual vehicles are selling for more than their COGS.
 
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Nobody has explained corporate finance to you, yet, I see.

They said that "the Lightning program" was not profitable. The individual vehicles are selling for more than their COGS.
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Doesn't understand software development... doesn't understand finance... doesn't understand marketing and propaganda... lots of doesn't understand keeps piling up.
 
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BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
Saw that. The driver said he was driving the car for 5-10 minutes and still didn't realize he wasn't in his own car. Really? Seat, wheel, and mirror presets? Cleanliness? Familiar smell? Maybe it's true, but that part made my ******** detector go off.
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Hey, we finally agree on something (related to cars). Oh happy day! 😀
 
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RUevolution36 said:
Doesn't understand software development... doesn't understand finance... doesn't understand marketing and propaganda... lots of doesn't understand keeps piling up.
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True, true. But the scale and scope of his adulation of all things Elon and Tesla is beyond question. He is the undisputed leader in that, here on the RUFB forum.

I prefer to focus on people's positive attributes as much as possible, you know.
 
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BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
Yet I continue to be correct on most things EV. Go figure.
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