OT: Electric vehicles

Knight Shift

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Jokes bomb here-for the record, joked about the previous guy too. Whatever.

Back to the topic at hand, had not seen these- Elektrek's first look video on Silverado EV RST non-work truck, available later this year. Range is "400 plus" miles.

Really like the breakaway back door feature to provide the extended bed.

 

Knight Shift

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Anyone see/hear anything about the Toyota Crown?

Nice looking vehicle…

Thought this was Toyota's first EV. It has a hybrid option, but the MPG is not so impressive.

"the base hybrid powertrain will be capable of returning up to 42 mpg city and 41 mpg highway. The Platinum model's more powerful Hybrid Max powertrain is claimed to deliver around 29 mpg city and 32 mpg highway."
 

e5fdny

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Thought this was Toyota's first EV. It has a hybrid option, but the MPG is not so impressive.

"the base hybrid powertrain will be capable of returning up to 42 mpg city and 41 mpg highway. The Platinum model's more powerful Hybrid Max powertrain is claimed to deliver around 29 mpg city and 32 mpg highway."
That would be fine for me.

And as mentioned, good looking car.
 
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Jtung230

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Oh right, Tesla is the darling of the Biden admin. It took Biden 2+ years to say the word "Tesla ". 😂 Just keep making **** up.

You don’t think Tesla benefits the most with the revised EV credit? Tesla would have to continue to slash prices to make it “cheap af” w/o the 7500 federal tax credit. Again the irony here saying I’m making things up.
 

RUevolution36

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Thought this was Toyota's first EV. It has a hybrid option, but the MPG is not so impressive.

"the base hybrid powertrain will be capable of returning up to 42 mpg city and 41 mpg highway. The Platinum model's more powerful Hybrid Max powertrain is claimed to deliver around 29 mpg city and 32 mpg highway."

The actual sedan sedan that won't be available in the US looks better than what we're getting, imo.
 

Morrischiano2

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One thing that I get anxious about with EVs is driving on days like today with torrential downpours flooding roads. If you hit an unforeseen flooded road, the car will be shot.
 

29PAS

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That would be fine for me.

And as mentioned, good looking car.
I agree that it's a good looking car. The C&D review says it has "controversial styling" and an "oddball body style" - I don't see it that way at all.
 

RU4Real

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At the end of the day, the Crown is a Toyota. They are the white bread of the auto industry. Moderately priced, mediocre performance, solid mechanical reliability, poor aging qualities.
 

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At the end of the day, the Crown is a Toyota. They are the white bread of the auto industry. Moderately priced, mediocre performance, solid mechanical reliability, poor aging qualities.
That’s fine for me.

As for the poor aging, some of that is the consumer’s responsibility, no?
 

RU4Real

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That’s fine for me.

As for the poor aging, some of that is the consumer’s responsibility, no?

Some is.

But some of it is endemic. Poor paint jobs (older Toyotas are very prone to flaking and fading), worn / cracking seats and interior panels, faded interior trim pieces - all of that is pure manufacturing. It's where Toyota saves coin to keep their prices in the midrange.
 

fsg2_rivals

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Some is.

But some of it is endemic. Poor paint jobs (older Toyotas are very prone to flaking and fading), worn / cracking seats and interior panels, faded interior trim pieces - all of that is pure manufacturing. It's where Toyota saves coin to keep their prices in the midrange.
But Toyota has the most older MY/high mileage vehicles on the road.

I'll take some cosmetic degradation for that distinction.
 
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Jtung230

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Not sure if it is true but when I got my Lucid Air last year, the sales rep said that going through more than 10 inches of water would risk turning the car into a brick.
That’s like my guy at VW who told me not to sit in the car while charging. I’m sure it’s not good for the car to go through that much water but it’s not going to brick it.
 
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RU4Real

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But Toyota has the most older MY/high mileage vehicles on the road.

I'll take some cosmetic degradation for that distinction.

As you may have surmised, I have little to no interest in older cars. The application of Moore's Law to automotive engineering means that a car as little as five or six years old is missing significant engineering advances that are currently de rigeur. Most cars older than 2000 don't have 4 wheel antilock breaks and/or stability / traction control. Anything pre-2005 doesn't have satellite radio or onboard nav. Prior to 2015 there was no smartphone integration.

I like my doodads. I like that they keep getting more prolific and useful. My new Mazda will put a weather radar image on the nav screen - something I've long thought desirable, especially for long trips. It's cool. And it helps me go fast. 😁
 

e5fdny

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Some is.

But some of it is endemic. Poor paint jobs (older Toyotas are very prone to flaking and fading), worn / cracking seats and interior panels, faded interior trim pieces - all of that is pure manufacturing. It's where Toyota saves coin to keep their prices in the midrange.
Well hopefully things have improved.
 

fsg2_rivals

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As you may have surmised, I have little to no interest in older cars. The application of Moore's Law to automotive engineering means that a car as little as five or six years old is missing significant engineering advances that are currently de rigeur. Most cars older than 2000 don't have 4 wheel antilock breaks and/or stability / traction control. Anything pre-2005 doesn't have satellite radio or onboard nav. Prior to 2015 there was no smartphone integration.

I like my doodads. I like that they keep getting more prolific and useful. My new Mazda will put a weather radar image on the nav screen - something I've long thought desirable, especially for long trips. It's cool. And it helps me go fast. 😁
Don't tell numbers. Imagine him staring at that thing and breaking it down into full treatise. He'd crash before the 2,000th word.
 
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RU4Real

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Don't tell numbers. Imagine him staring at that thing and breaking it down into full treatise. He'd crash before the 2,000th word.

It's an interesting point.

There is a LOT of information.

The jury is still out on the value of the HUD. In default mode it shows speed limit, current speed, traffic signs and blind spot warnings. Combined with the information on the dash and the additional info on the center screen, it seems like a lot.
 

mildone_rivals

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As you may have surmised, I have little to no interest in older cars. The application of Moore's Law to automotive engineering means that a car as little as five or six years old is missing significant engineering advances that are currently de rigeur. Most cars older than 2000 don't have 4 wheel antilock breaks and/or stability / traction control. Anything pre-2005 doesn't have satellite radio or onboard nav. Prior to 2015 there was no smartphone integration.

I like my doodads. I like that they keep getting more prolific and useful. My new Mazda will put a weather radar image on the nav screen - something I've long thought desirable, especially for long trips. It's cool. And it helps me go fast. 😁
I mostly don't care so much about much of the higher tech put in cars these days. But two things I wish Waze would do, since that's my primary navigation aid, is (1) allow us to specify that we wish to avoid bad roads the same way they allow us to specify wish wish to avoid highways, and (2) allow us to report bad roads through the app like we can with singular potholes.

And if car tech can sync up to Waze (and other nav tools), then it ought to be automatic to scan the road ahead and note crappy roads. Maybe use a road surface quality rating system of 1 to 5 where 1 is fit only for a tank and 5 is autobahn-quality.

Those related features would be very useful and I'd even pay extra for it. Obviously matters more to low, stiffly sprung sports cars than SUVs. But it's still generally useful at the extremes.
 

mildone_rivals

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It's an interesting point.

There is a LOT of information.

The jury is still out on the value of the HUD. In default mode it shows speed limit, current speed, traffic signs and blind spot warnings. Combined with the information on the dash and the additional info on the center screen, it seems like a lot.
Well, pretty soon we'll all have implants that can wirelessly exchange information w/the car. So our eyes can remain focused ahead while Hal keeps us up to speed on information relevant to our drive, such as traffic and weather.
 

e5fdny

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I mostly don't care so much about much of the higher tech put in cars these days. But two things I wish Waze would do, since that's my primary navigation aid, is (1) allow us to specify that we wish to avoid bad roads the same way they allow us to specify wish wish to avoid highways, and (2) allow us to report bad roads through the app like we can with singular potholes.

And if car tech can sync up to Waze (and other nav tools), then it ought to be automatic to scan the road ahead and note crappy roads. Maybe use a road surface quality rating system of 1 to 5 where 1 is fit only for a tank and 5 is autobahn-quality.

Those related features would be very useful and I'd even pay extra for it. Obviously matters more to low, stiffly sprung sports cars than SUVs. But it's still generally useful at the extremes.
I wish it would pause the music like it used to do for Google Maps.
 

mildone_rivals

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I wish it would pause the music like it used to do for Google Maps.
Waze does pause music for phone calls and lowers the music volume temporarily when giving voice directions. At least it does for me when using Waze on my phone.

I could see where that might not always work when using Waze via Android Auto or Carplay, though (which I haven't been doing). That adds additional layers of failure points.
 

e5fdny

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Waze does pause music for phone calls and lowers the music volume temporarily when giving voice directions. At least it does for me when using Waze on my phone.
Yes, as does Google Maps.

But Google maps used to do the same for the voice directions like the phone call...pause and not talk over.
 

RUevolution36

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"Seams are even inside and out; everything works as it should, and the car doesn’t rattle like a 1970s Italian exotic or a 2020s Tesla. Perhaps this is a result of company founder and CEO Mate Rimac’s experience with his own Model S, of which he described to me the material quality being passable only “if you don't care too much, if you are not really a car person, and you don't care about all the details of the interior and stuff like that.”
 

RU4Real

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"Seams are even inside and out; everything works as it should, and the car doesn’t rattle like a 1970s Italian exotic or a 2020s Tesla. Perhaps this is a result of company founder and CEO Mate Rimac’s experience with his own Model S, of which he described to me the material quality being passable only “if you don't care too much, if you are not really a car person, and you don't care about all the details of the interior and stuff like that.”

The Croatians are coming hard, for everything. They build great cars and are producing some really good offshore sailors.

Beautiful place, too. It's on my list for vacation cruising grounds.
 
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You don’t think Tesla benefits the most with the revised EV credit? Tesla would have to continue to slash prices to make it “cheap af” w/o the 7500 federal tax credit. Again the irony here saying I’m making things up.
The fact that other OEMs can't scale EV production or make their own batteries has nothing to do with Tesla. Tesla also spent years without any tax credit once the original 400k vehicle tax credit expired. They still managed to grow production during those years. The new tax credit is available for all US manufacturers. Your weird Tesla obsession is showing again.
 

mildone_rivals

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The fact that other OEMs can't scale EV production or make their own batteries has nothing to do with Tesla. Tesla also spent years without any tax credit once the original 400k vehicle tax credit expired. They still managed to grow production during those years. The new tax credit is available for all US manufacturers. Your weird Tesla obsession is showing again.
Irony? You be the judge. 🤣