OT: Electric vehicles
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I question the demand. I think the targets are too aggressive and will burn too much political capital causing politicians to eventually push the dates out. But gas prices or something with temperatures and/or storms that creates a much stronger sense of urgency could occur that would alter my thinking about that.
Been saying this all along. First get the infrastructure in place. Then push the cars. Otherwise, it's gonna be political suicide in many places. I understand the aggressive targets, as a means of pushing the transition. But just can't see many places keeping to the original target dates.
If politicians were serious about this, they'd be willing to spend more on building out public charging infrastructure than they are, at the moment.
then why set them and create a political divide rather than actually working on creating an infrastructure
What political divide? We took full advantage of generous government incentives two purchase a full EV and a plug in hybrid and to do solar at home. Politics has nothing to do with this, except for people who seem to make everything political.
I think there may be some concern about building a bridge to no where.
Or at least there may have been. They probably need to get on that horse now though.
There are plenty of examples of that. Some are over reaching and some are there to protecting stupid people from themselves.
Point went way over your head. Do you ever stop whining about anything and everything? Find things that make you happy.
That makes sense. There's a bit of chicken or the egg to it.
But the mandates and Tesla's sales numbers convinced automakers to hop on board, and most have in a big way. So, instead of mandates, politicians would be better served, IMO, to focus on infrastructure spending in support of EVs.
People will continue to buy EVs anyway because, for most people, it's a compelling option from a purely technological standpoint. But building out the infrastructure can extend the choice to all the single-car owners with no access to at-home charging. And those are the people politicians have to worry about in upcoming elections.
At least that's how I see it. But then a number of things could change and make all this irrelevant. We'll obviously know a lot more in 5 years.
Given the jump in sales, I'm sure the charging stations will follow. May be some delay there, but I think it will be to the point of grumbling, not so much a real issue, because companies are going to step up.
The power grid concern is obviously a much bigger one, and I'm not really sure where we as a nation are on it. Kind of sounds like we need serious upgrading though to handle a significant transition to EV. And that will take a lot more time.
I think the mandates are mostly about helping automakers commit to the transition. And it worked.
In politics, regardless of sides or ideologies, many if not most things are not what they appear. It's always been that way. It's what politics is.
Politics is the art of talking about stuff that's popular while actually doing the stuff that's unpopular but necessary.
Because, for all the people in the electorate...
because he made a snide remark to me based on his ability to afford EVs which the majority of the population does not and does not have access to charging stations
In a recent Cox Automotive survey, more than 50% of shoppers were interested in adding an EV to their stable. Being interested is easy, of course, but far fewer people actually buy. And in the same survey, 53% of consumers agreed that EVs will eventually replace traditional ICE-powered vehicles. Dealers were more cautious, with only 31% agreeing on an all-EV future. Dealers have a front-row seat to the many challenges ahead. And many dealers, recently, have been watching EV inventory building.
Pretty sure he didn't mean it that way. He's just saying that despite the fact that he leans right politically, he's still embracing so-called "green" technologies he thinks make sense and doesn't care that political people view those things as being more appealing to the left.
It's his way of saying not everything is political - not him saying "look what I can have and you can't".
These days, just about anybody can afford an EV as there are some pretty inexpensive good ones out there. And the total cost of ownership can be less than that of ICEVs. Which makes it even more financially sensible, in general.
Why set targets? Have you ever strategically planned anything in your life? lol
That's now, in a post-pandemic, post-inflation world. Governments have been taking steps to halt inflation and that will be having an impact on car buyers of all kinds.
But over time, more and more people will buy EVs and, eventually, they will be less expensive to buy than ICE cars, and far less expensive to drive. They will be much more compelling than ICEVs for the typical consumer.
At that point, the elitists will be the folks who continue to own and operate ICE vehicles for nostalgic purposes, despite the high costs. Being a gearhead, I'm likely to own a couple ICE sports cars until I no longer can drive them, even though I fully expect it to be a frivolous expense. OTOH, my next SUV is almost certainly going to be hybrid or pure EV.
And, like with all things I do except voting, politics won't be a factor in any of those decisions.
Until you can charge and EV as fast as you can fill it up,
until you can get the range of a gas motor across all temps
until you can limit the EV impact that occurs due to mining etc
until you can have cheap ev like gas powered
nope! and let's be real, actual ev sales suck
until you can get the range of a gas motor across all temps
until you can limit the EV impact that occurs due to mining etc
until you can have cheap ev like gas powered
nope! and let's be real, actual ev sales suck
Again, this response makes no sense.
Just because you or Bac like to view everything through some ideological/political lens doesn't mean the rest of us do that. There are perfectly good pragmatic reasons to purchase a hybrid vehicle or EV, or to add solar panels to one's house, that have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with politics or ideologies.
There's nothing naive about that.
Imagine being this butthurt over a type of car. Weirdo energy.
EV’s will replace ICE and there is nothing you can do about it.
I agree with the first sentence. But I think EVs and ICEVs will likely coexist forever. I just EVs are most likely to eventually reach and settle around high 80s to mid 90s in market-share. Although it'll take a lot longer than these mandates suggest.
There are many people like me who will continue to buy ICEVs for pleasure-use and Porsche and others are investing pretty heavily in replacing gasoline with much more environmentally friendly fuels in an effort to support that.
I think those efforts will ultimately succeed because there's strong financial motivation and because, if 95% of all vehicles are pure EVs with only 5% being hybrids or ICEVs using clean fuels, then there would be no valid argument for not doing it. There would be much bigger environmental fish to fry.
Better yet just let the market determine where we go and let people decide for themselves It’s a folly at this point for many reasons
Do you even know what snide means? There was nothing snide in my remark. I merely pointed out that our buying decisions had nothing to do with politics.
Affordability? You can get an EV with the $7500 Federal tax break for as low as $20,000, and a decent one for close to $30,000. The cheapest ICE vehicles run right around $18,000 plus sales tax. Facts matter.
No hes been stalking my posts on the boards making childish comments and then acting like Im the issue
yeah, he doesn't get that the FED isn't the Federal Gov't and that the Federal Gov't continues to increase inflationary pressure
don't expect too much though, they think EV is the cure all for faux global man made warming
solar activity, what's that
1k year warming cylce, whats' that
progressive earth warming cycle, what's that
let's bilk the taxpayer for EV and reduce our competive advantage and blow up our budgets too boot
morons all of them
Don't forget that the subsidies are just a tax on the poor to give to the rich.
We don't know if Autopilot was at fault or not, or how the case will shake out. But I'm a big fan of pushing back against a bunch of the automated driving technology across the industry. I don't want to see R&D on it halted. I do want to see more regulation and less willy-nilly trust the automotive companies to get it right, and less beta-testing or AI training on roadways.
I thought I had turned off all the non-auditory assists in my new Cayenne, because the lane keep assist kept nudging the car to the center of the lane when I didn't want to be in the center of the lane. Super annoying.
But I missed one and it nearly gave me whiplash a couple weeks ago. My neck hurt for several days after.
I was waiting for a gap in oncoming traffic to make a left turn. When a gap appeared, I stepped on the accelerator to turn left and the car went a few feet and then jammed itself on the brakes hard because, I suppose, it felt there was too much risk of collision (it displayed alerts on all the displays in the car).
There was no risk of collision (unless I for some reason stopped mid turn). And it was a turn I make ALL THE TIME with smaller gaps. The oncoming driver on the other side of the gap couldn't have sped up enough to hit me before I cleared the gap, long as I didn't slow down mid-turn. It was perfectly safe.
But the car disagreed. The car was wrong, and this was a very simple task, no AI required. I'm just not trusting software that can't get that right to drive me around.
Conversely, the car has night-vision and that was very helpful a few weeks back 'cause it highlighted some deer that had decided to hang out in the middle of an unlit street after dark. So the car switched the primary display to night-vision, highlighting the deer up the road, and sounded an alert. Perfect. No jamming on brakes or attempting to take over control of the vehicle.
Self-driving cars should be a long way off. Adding tech that detects and alerts, however, is a very good thing and, IMO, is where the focus should be.
Epic, multi-layered, subtle and obvious, troll article. Love it. It's not journalism, it's art. 
Can't be sure, of course, but I suspect this sort of thing will quickly place the UK on some of our resident politically motivated EV hater's ******** countries list. 
If EV inventories continue to build, and I think they will based on reports, that will eventually lead to price cuts, which will then lead to a surge in sales.
It might pinch the car companies, but will be good for consumers.
Though I did talk a guy who is 6 months in to waiting for his EV Silverado. Think the inventory buildup will be more in sedan's then trucks and SUV's.
Tesla didn’t screw up showroom models….yeah! Winning!!!!!
I don’t think so. I think most are holding off production ramp than cutting prices.