why so salty, you get what you sow
such elitism too....what a privilege it is to have at home chargers..
OT: Electric vehicles
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such elitism too....what a privilege it is to have at home chargers..
Funny to see them attempting to walk back what we've been telling them forever.
They got bamboozled. And I'm here for it.
Having a home and installing a charger with the help of an electrician buddy for $1700 is elitism to save $3500 in gas/fuel per year is elitism? Some call that a smart decision, or spending money to make money. A concept that eludes you?
Salty? Nah, living the dream. Some of us work hard for it every day and don't sit at home watching Laura and Jesse inventing reasons to be mad and technology advancing and making lives better.
You two should get a room with your other buddy and become "Proud" boys!!
Not angry at all? Banking money left and right with the savings from owning an EV.
I don't know anyone who "hates" EV's, but I do know a lot of people who would like to be able to make their own choices when it comes to what type of car to buy.
are you postin from Davos today, they are currently lamenting how they cannot control the narrative because of X and Republicans
Goofy looking, IMO. And the interior? WTF?
I saw someone who bought one say it was very comfortable. I mean, okay, but it sure doesn't look comfortable, though. Looks like a ton of cost-saving was taking place when design and choosing materials for the interior.
To be fair, until I can sit in one, instead of judging from photos, my perceptions might could be off, in terms of actual tactile comfort. But styling-wise, yuk.
Or praying against the snow that would actually get him off the couch for an honest day's work
The whole public charging spot dilemma seems almost too big to reasonably solve. I almost never see charging stations out and about and when i do, it’s 2-8 for a massive parking lot. My office location which has, at its max capacity, just shy of 3k employees and the same 4 chargers since 2013.
Which begs the question, if the government earmarks 1 billion dollars for EV usage, is it better to invest in infrastructure or to provide to the auto industry in R&D grants to expand battery range? I don’t have an EV, but for me it’s range holding me back, not infrastructure.
Which begs the question, if the government earmarks 1 billion dollars for EV usage, is it better to invest in infrastructure or to provide to the auto industry in R&D grants to expand battery range? I don’t have an EV, but for me it’s range holding me back, not infrastructure.
For me, it's a combination of both range and infrastructure. So I went ICE w/my recent SUV purchase.
I'm confident range will improve enough by the time I'm ready to buy again. Not so sure about infrastructure, though. I think that's lagging too far behind.
I've been saying all through this thread that I'd rather see tax dollars funding infrastructure improvement than see it providing tax breaks to purchase. Manufacturers see tax breaks and raise their prices to take a cut of it.
Although that's obviously somewhat less of a factor, at the moment, since Tesla engaged in an EV price-war.
Are you surprised they allowed themselves to get conned? The usual suspects get duped all the time
the auto industry is going to invest in battery range already. no need to incentivize something they are already doing. range is known to be one of the barriers to entry as well as a huge selling point to consumers, so why give them money to do something they are already doing? infra is the one thing that no one wants to invest in because they don't get to say that they increased revenue or put more money in stockholders' accounts. maintaining, and operating infra increases OpEx, and seen as risk mitigation rather than something that can drive down total cost of ownership for the stakeholders.
You aren't banking ****. Studies have already concluded that. And if you were really balling you wouldn't even be concerned about it.
The CE board inmates are making an escape attempt. Guess the echo chamber thing is getting old even for them now and they need to leak their crap out onto the football board.
Probably best to skip past their posts in this thread without reading/responding. Anything else just encourages them.
Hey dipshit. At 15,000 miles per year, a regular gas pickup would use about $3,000/year in gasoline. Plus oil changes and other maintenance, including brakes, adding another $1,000/year. That's $4,000/year. I charge at home where we have solar, and for free at work. Have not paid a nickel for charging. You missed those things, because you can't read, or you got hit in the head with too many lax balls. That's $4,000/year in the bank.
"Studies." That's some funny ****.
How much did your EV cost while driving around looking like a generic dork? Where do you live?
At this rate of saving $4,000 per year, he will have enough to buy himself a new battery in about 4 years. LOL. Save baby save, OR as realistic people say DRILL BABY DRILL.
Decades of outsourcing has delivered single digit margins for the auto business, a few bankruptcies, a bunch of bailouts and "loans" that will never be repaid. Not exactly a model business plan. Outsourcing is done because that's what they've always done. Why not change to be more vertically integrated? Because, when you're a giant conglomerate, change is difficult , expensive, and frowned upon. It's really as simple as that. Same reason why the auto industry is stuck on 12 V architecture . It makes sense to change to 48V, but change is difficult and messy, despite being the logical choice. Outsourcing isn't the best way to do business, it's just the way they do business. Don't rock the boat, don't make shareholders nervous, don't upset the UAW, don't put retirement compensation in jeopardy. Herbert Diess wanted to change the way VW does things..he was shown the door.
In addition to making in house cells, last year, Tesla broke ground on a lithium refinery in Corpus Christi, and a cathode refinery in Austin. Both will be operational this year. So yeah, they're doing that too
Despite what the media is screaming, BYD and Tesla aren't competitors. The competition for both is the ICE. ~85% of all vehicles sold globally are ICE. That's the market they're after. Most BYD vehicles sell for significantly less than Teslas. The BYD Seagull EV sells for less than $11k. Most others in the $20k range. You can move a lot of metal at those prices, especially in China. Also, it remains to be seen if BYD can be successful outside of China. Personally, I think they're going to succeed. OEMs in Europe are currently shitting the bed as cheap, but good Chinese EVs are hitting their roads. BYD will build their 1st European factory in Hungary. What Japan did to the auto market in the 80s-90s will happen again, this time with China.
Elitism to have electricity.
Winter must be tough for you with your wood burning stove and all those candles.
You don't see them because they're not gas stations. There's no big signs on roads saying "charge your EV here". EV software (the good ones) knows the location of the chargers.
If you're one of us elitists who has electricity in their house, and drive less than 200 miles/day, an EV is a no brainier.
If your EV has access to Tesla's charging network, road trips are a breeze.
The media will tell you one story about EVs, real owners will tell you a different. I recommend talking to real owners
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I am not sure which group is funnier.
The EV fanboys who think they own the greatest thing ever created and utterly defensive about any minor criticism of EVs or the right wing whiners who act like the big bad guberment is gonna come and grab all the hill billies' dually pick ups next week.
I am amazed at all the time and effort so many have in just being bothered about just about everything.
The EV fanboys who think they own the greatest thing ever created and utterly defensive about any minor criticism of EVs or the right wing whiners who act like the big bad guberment is gonna come and grab all the hill billies' dually pick ups next week.
I am amazed at all the time and effort so many have in just being bothered about just about everything.
“EV Fanboys” are Left Wing ?
Your take is amateur btw
I suggest you look into WEF and Agenda 2030 - they always tell us what they are going to do?
The only one liking your posts is your Proud boyfriend. Why so angry, ball boy? Dislike facts? Your question is nonsensical. Go play with your balls and STFU.
Not bothwred, living the dream and laughing all the way to the bank and at the triggered right whiney snowflakes. Never denied that there are issues with public charging infrastructure and range shrinkage in the cold. Just said people should plan for it or not buy an EV. It's pretty simple.
Batteries guaranteed for 8 years. Sorry, you lose too. Try again. You people are real simpletons and too easy to crush.
I was more speaking tongue in cheek. I am just generally amused at how emotional some get in this thread, on both sides (not saying you).
If you don't want an EV, don't get an EV. I am contemplating getting one just to see what it's like owning one. Nissan is running crazy cheap leases on Ariyas in the Northeast, you get a voucher for a free level 2 charger and if you have PSEG, they will pay $1500 towards the installation of the charger. So basically, I can get a cheap lease on an EV for just 18 months, not be tied longer term to an EV and not have to spend a dime getting a home charger.
I drive no more than 15 miles to work each way daily. We have a large ICE SUV for longer trips. If I live the EV and it works, in 18 months then I can invest in something nicer - Rivian, Lightning, maybe the new Silverado EV. If I don't, then I'll get another ICE.
Hahaha you can’t even answer basic questions which ironic because you’re a basic bish
All salty because he’s a generic robot lol
Night **** all triggered with veins bulging again.
Go ride your tricycle to cool off
Typical low IQ response from the village idiot. You take a 1 off situation like what happened in Chicago, and pretend it's your "gotcha moment". I could explain what happened in Chicago, but it would be a waste. I'll just say that thousands of Tesla owners in Canada and Scandinavia (that's in a place across a big ocean called Europe) have been using the Tesla network for years without any problems.
You mad bruh?
So ignorant, so obedient, so triggered.
Keep grazing and serving
I think I found the thread that has the most unhinged posters.
They live in a bubble.
Oh my Jesus, what a dire void of self awareness.