OT: Electric vehicles
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I agree too. We'll get to see the experiment fail spectacularly on someone else's roads, killing and maiming someone else's children.
Then we can ban it here, having learned from others' mistakes. Old school.
Weird, I could have sworn LFP wasn't really the point but that you said LFP adoption would max out ranges somewhere in the 315-mile vicinity?
Excuse me for paraphrasing, but I thought it was something like,
Really? No, 400-mi LFP battery packs?
And since you asked ...
Can you please learn the difference between Autopilot and FSD? The 1-month free trial of FSD to every Tesla owner just expired. The number of FSD users 2x, 3x, 4x, or more?? over the past 30 days. You'd expect the highways to be lined with blood, and the media to be all over it. Crickets...... hmmmm
Since you brought up Autopilot, I'd like to congratulate NHTSA on finishing their investigation into a software stack that's been in the trash can for 2 years.
Of the 956 autopilot related accidents:
489 of those the other vehicle was a fault, Autopilot was not in use, or the crash was otherwise unrelated to the investigation.
The other crashes involved roadway departure in low tractions conditions, or Autopilot inadvertently being disengaged by the driver.
Truly damning evidence. I hope NHTSA spends as much time and effort into the causes of the other 6 million crashes that happened in the US during this same time period.
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Are you trying to say this type of corporate action is out of the norm for Musk led companies?Tesla lays off entire Supercharger team. The hits keep coming. Meanwhile, the Tesla sycophants are like:
Now, more layoffs have been finalized through an email from CEO Elon Musk to executives, first reported by The Information, stating that 6-year veteran Rebecca Tinucci, Tesla’s Senior Director of EV charging, would be leaving the company on Tuesday, along with nearly all of her 500-person charging team (“a few” employees will be reassigned to other teams, according to The Information).
Not like he fired 80% of the Twitter staff when he bought the company. "If you're not adding back 10% of what you deleted, you're not deleting enough" -EM
You just swallowed the clickbait hook.
Really want to use Twitter as an example?
What happened to FSD? Still working on your investigation?
X is great. Better than ever. I guess those 80% weren't needed.
Value is down close to 80%. Guess that’s great. More blessings
That's a lie, plus, old Twitter was a corrupt, bloated, dumpster fire. The point of the argument is Musk is obsessed with maintaining lean and efficient companies. Tesla going through a round of layoffs is not a surprise. It happens every 1-2 years. They'll be another one next year, and the following.
Check back in with your FSD findings.
My wife and I just got back from a 2 week, 2000+ mile road trip of the Southeast US in our Model Y Long Range, so I thought I would share some of our experiences:
1) Range: We averaged about 200 miles (roughly 3 hours) of driving between charges, which is about as far as my wife and I can go without having to stretch our legs and/or needing a bathroom. We tried to follow Tesla's recommendations regarding when to charge, and I think it really paid off. It usually meant running the battery down to about 20%, but only charging to between 50-75%. Lowest we got was 27 miles left on the battery. Average stop times were 15-20 minutes - just enough time to pee and grab a coffee/Coke Zero. More of them perhaps, but not to the point where it was frustrating.
2) Charging Locations: Never an issue, even in the rural parts of AL and MS. Never had to wait to charge. What I did notice was the difference between the 150 kW versus 250 kW chargers- the 250's were SIGNIFICANTLY faster, Fortunately there were usually multiple choices of supercharger locations and we were usually able to avoid the slower chargers. One of the nice surprises was that several of the hotels we stayed at offered free 220V chargers, which was always a nice bonus, especially when we were able to charge overnight without having to move the car.
3) Full Self Driving: I signed up for a one month FSD subscription ($200/mo.). I used the Auto Pilot feature frequently prior to trying the FSD, so I was fairly comfortable/confident with the concept of FSD, but my wife was much less confident and I had to beg her to use it. Overall, it made the driving much more enjoyable, especially on highways and simple roads. It was spectacular on the Blue Ridge Parkway, allowing me (the driver) to really take in the views with confidence in the car. That said, it was far from perfect, and made several questionable choices mostly in cities and uncommon intersections. It was too aggressive on lane changes, but fortunately there is a setting for that and once I adjusted it it was much more predictable. Generally, it could figure its way through the vast majority of circumstances, but not as smoothly as a human driver could, and I often took over if I felt I was aggravating the drivers behind me. I will cancel the subscription now that we are back- it is not that much value added to me versus the Auto Pilot at $200/mo.
TL;DR: The Model Y was a great car for a long road trip, no issues with range or charging opportunities. FSD had its pro's and con's- while valuable for long highway driving, at $200/mo. it is poor value for day-to-day use for me.
1) Range: We averaged about 200 miles (roughly 3 hours) of driving between charges, which is about as far as my wife and I can go without having to stretch our legs and/or needing a bathroom. We tried to follow Tesla's recommendations regarding when to charge, and I think it really paid off. It usually meant running the battery down to about 20%, but only charging to between 50-75%. Lowest we got was 27 miles left on the battery. Average stop times were 15-20 minutes - just enough time to pee and grab a coffee/Coke Zero. More of them perhaps, but not to the point where it was frustrating.
2) Charging Locations: Never an issue, even in the rural parts of AL and MS. Never had to wait to charge. What I did notice was the difference between the 150 kW versus 250 kW chargers- the 250's were SIGNIFICANTLY faster, Fortunately there were usually multiple choices of supercharger locations and we were usually able to avoid the slower chargers. One of the nice surprises was that several of the hotels we stayed at offered free 220V chargers, which was always a nice bonus, especially when we were able to charge overnight without having to move the car.
3) Full Self Driving: I signed up for a one month FSD subscription ($200/mo.). I used the Auto Pilot feature frequently prior to trying the FSD, so I was fairly comfortable/confident with the concept of FSD, but my wife was much less confident and I had to beg her to use it. Overall, it made the driving much more enjoyable, especially on highways and simple roads. It was spectacular on the Blue Ridge Parkway, allowing me (the driver) to really take in the views with confidence in the car. That said, it was far from perfect, and made several questionable choices mostly in cities and uncommon intersections. It was too aggressive on lane changes, but fortunately there is a setting for that and once I adjusted it it was much more predictable. Generally, it could figure its way through the vast majority of circumstances, but not as smoothly as a human driver could, and I often took over if I felt I was aggravating the drivers behind me. I will cancel the subscription now that we are back- it is not that much value added to me versus the Auto Pilot at $200/mo.
TL;DR: The Model Y was a great car for a long road trip, no issues with range or charging opportunities. FSD had its pro's and con's- while valuable for long highway driving, at $200/mo. it is poor value for day-to-day use for me.
Great feedback. I’ve mistakenly gone to a 150 kW charger before and it’s definitely a noticeable difference versus a 250. Haven’t made that mistake again. I generally feel the same way about FSD at this point. I took my longest trip with it last night and it was perfect on highways and major roads. Agree at the value add, likely won’t keep it much longer for my purposes.
Good summary, thanks!
Three hours is too quick for my taste, but glad it was just right for your trip.
Or.......... you could possibly be choking on Elon's schlong.
You certainly can't deny that Musk fanboys tend to think everything he does is awesome sauce.
Oh and new Twitter is still a dumpster fire. Just a different kind of dumpster fire.
Meanwhile, Musk gets ever-wealthier while the value of your car is starting to resemble the anchor from a decommissioned WWII-era aircraft carrier. Thank-you sir, may I have another?
Know how to tell you're in a cult? When the cult leader tells you to cut off your arm and your only hesitation is wondering how you'll do the other arm when he asks for that too.
Next thought: I don't even need arms thanks to FSD!!
Ah yes, good point.
And, now that I think about it, it's obviously not metaphorical rust on the metaphorical anchor. It's metaphorical surface contamination.
Will the EM Altar Boys trash Electrek now too?
Several employees describe the situation as Elon Musk “throwing his weight around” to solidify his status after being mostly absent over the last year.
Sources familiar with the matter describe a difficult situation at Tesla right now. Uncertainty, confusion, and frustration are the main feelings going around the offices.
Now, Electrek has learned that Musk also gutted Tesla’s cathode material manufacturing team in Texas.
It started with Anthony Thurston, Senior Manager, Cathode Materials & Manufacturing at Tesla, earlier this month, but Electrek has learned that Musk has now let go of most of the team.
Several sources confirmed that there are rumors around Tesla that the vehicle engineering and design departments are next.
Elon Musk is throwing his weight around Tesla, comes in like a wrecking ball
Several employees describe the situation as Elon Musk “throwing his weight around” to solidify his status after being mostly absent over the last year.
Sources familiar with the matter describe a difficult situation at Tesla right now. Uncertainty, confusion, and frustration are the main feelings going around the offices.
Now, Electrek has learned that Musk also gutted Tesla’s cathode material manufacturing team in Texas.
It started with Anthony Thurston, Senior Manager, Cathode Materials & Manufacturing at Tesla, earlier this month, but Electrek has learned that Musk has now let go of most of the team.
Several sources confirmed that there are rumors around Tesla that the vehicle engineering and design departments are next.
I am not happy with Musk’s leadship and would prefer someone else take over at Tesla. The guy’s brilliant. But his flaws appear to be winning over his intellect.Will the EM Altar Boys trash Electrek now too?
Elon Musk is throwing his weight around Tesla, comes in like a wrecking ball
Several employees describe the situation as Elon Musk “throwing his weight around” to solidify his status after being mostly absent over the last year.
Sources familiar with the matter describe a difficult situation at Tesla right now. Uncertainty, confusion, and frustration are the main feelings going around the offices.
Now, Electrek has learned that Musk also gutted Tesla’s cathode material manufacturing team in Texas.
It started with Anthony Thurston, Senior Manager, Cathode Materials & Manufacturing at Tesla, earlier this month, but Electrek has learned that Musk has now let go of most of the team.
Several sources confirmed that there are rumors around Tesla that the vehicle engineering and design departments are next.
Exactly, this is how Musk has always operated. Disruption is his style and it's been very effective for him. Nothing is linear with this guy, it will always be a rocky road.
I also don't get the attacks about X. Musk has repeatedly stated he didn't buy it as an investment but to promote free speech. He doesn't care what someone else says it is worth. He can afford to lose all that money. He hasn't been perfect on free speech but it's way better than it used to be.
Ford's April EV sales up 120% yoy. Hybrid up 59% yoy.
Combined EV and Hybrid makes up 14% of sales.
Combined EV and Hybrid makes up 14% of sales.
Musk hasn’t changed anything at Twitter with respect to free speech except that a few accounts of well-known people were reenabled. Which, considered in the scale of content handled by Twitter every hour of every day, is less impactful than a spec of flea dandruff on the known universe.
The change is statistically about 0.00000000000000000000000001% better.
The free-speech angle was always a total crock of ****. This is well understood by everyone who understands the technology. It was well understood by Musk before he made the initial offer.
But people love their populist myths.
Mr. Tesla said Ford was going backwards.
And while they will deny Tesla's current problems (what problems?), Tesla is now facing competition from a slew of legacy automakers with increasing shares of the EV market, led by (in no order) VW, Kia, Hyundai, Ford, and non-legacy Rivian. Honda is gearing up, and perhaps Chevy/GMC will finally get going.
I saw it on CNBC this morning, still waiting to see something in print, need to see the actual numbers as I assume last April was likely a very small base(I can probably look this up now that I think about it).
But we did see TSLA's q1 sales down yoy, while pretty much everyone but TSLA saw EV sales up. If we see that again in q2...........explains why TSLA need's to push that narrative to FSD and robotaxi.
Got the Hybrid numbers still looking for the EV. Some snippets.
"Ford hybrid vehicle sales hit 17,997, up nearly 60% from last year. F-150 and Maverick hybrid trucks drove those sales, rising almost 94% and 64%, respectively. Hybrids represented 22% of F-150 sales."
"including an almost 86% increase in sales of the electric E-Transit."
"In general, Ford truck and van sales rose 2% in April, though F-Series trucks were down 7.2%, including a nearly 57% increase in the all-electric Lightning version."
Here we go.
8K EV's for April. About 1K less then March. Estimating it's about 3K more then April 2022. And their 4th best month ever, behind March of this year, Nov 2023(about 9k) and Dec 2023(a little over 10K).
2023 sales from May through Dec were much stronger then Feb-March-April period. So tougher comps here on out.
8K EV's for April. About 1K less then March. Estimating it's about 3K more then April 2022. And their 4th best month ever, behind March of this year, Nov 2023(about 9k) and Dec 2023(a little over 10K).
2023 sales from May through Dec were much stronger then Feb-March-April period. So tougher comps here on out.
Posted it a couple pages back, but the Y was up in sales. All their other models were down pretty significantly.
Edit: yeah, ouch, Model 3 down 43% yoy in q1.
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Maybe you could call it narrative, but it’s actually been the next step in the roadmap for eight years.
“So, in short, Master Plan, Part Deux is:
Create stunning solar roofs with seamlessly integrated battery storage
Expand the electric vehicle product line to address all major segments
Develop a self-driving capability that is 10X safer than manual via massive fleet learning
Enable your car to make money for you when you aren't using it”
My master plan was to be spreading mulch at 10am this morning.
Currently eating chips and salsa.
, at least your diversion from the plan is in a positive direction. Not sure it’s carbon neutral thoughDefinitely is not.
If you believe that, I have a really awesome bridge to sell you in Baltimore.
There isn't a time when Musk doesn't have an angle to try to make money/bring value. X is a cesspool still, just a different kind of cesspool.
The fact that Musk tried so hard to exit the acquisition, after belatedly grasping the due diligence information he had all along, would seem to support what you're saying. It was about money and he realized late what he should've realized before making the offer: it was not a good deal for him in any way, at least not in the short and probably medium term.
Ironically, the reason Musk gave for trying to get out of the deal was the same exact reason there could never have been anything even approaching statistically significant censorship in the content-filtering. It would have been entirely impossible, at that point, for him to fail understand that.
Yet Musk then compounded the BS by launching the twitter files disinformation campaign. Why? I have no idea. Trying to save face perhaps? If so, it didn't work.
Because it was savory red meat for a certain set of readily influenced asstards starved for validation?
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Maybe I am wrong……. And right. Musk is letting Nick Fuentes back on X. He admitted it will probably cost him more advertisers. So maybe at this point, he doesn’t care about the money.
But Fuentes being let back highlights what a cesspool X still is.
Of course he wants to make money but he also knew that he could lose it all very easily. He's many things but he's not dumb.
And yes, I believe it because he has done just that. If someone says that X isn't a freer place today than it was before he bought it, they are hopelessly biased. It's clear as day.
All social media is a cesspool. X is no different than the others.