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mildone_rivals

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Because it was savoru red meat for a certain set of readily influences asstards starved for validation?

Maybe I am wrong……. And right. Musk is letting Nick Fuentes back on X. He admitted it will probably cost him more advertisers. So maybe at this point, he doesn’t care about the money.

But Fuentes being let back highlights what a cesspool X still is.
If the barrage of quotes attributed to Nick Fuentes are even half true, he's not exactly a wonderful human. Or even just human. He appears to qualify mostly as an major asstard.

Musk can do what he wants with twitter. I don't much care. But as a TSLA shareholder, I feel he should step down and let someone who doesn't want to pal around with white supremacist asshats, anti-Semites and neo-Nazis run Tesla. The Fuentes thing is just the latest in a nonstop batch of bad CEO behavior from him.

Given the Musk/twitter/Fuentes news, I'm shocked that @bac2therac hasn't started a thread denouncing Musk and twitter, given just how outspoken Bac has been about Anti-Semitism lately.
 

mildone_rivals

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Of course he wants to make money but he also knew that he could lose it all very easily. He's many things but he's not dumb.

And yes, I believe it because he has done just that. If someone says that X isn't a freer place today than it was before he bought it, they are hopelessly biased. It's clear as day.

All social media is a cesspool. X is no different than the others.
Lately, he's been acting pretty dumb. Especially for a smart guy.

And you can bluster about bias all you want. Without the content moderation data from twitter, neither you nor anybody else could possibly come close to knowing about any twitter content filtering biases. Not to mention that the data you'd need to even start trying to make an objective case for it doesn't exist. The math disproves the silly persecution-complex-based narrative.

Twitter currently has over 300,000,000 accounts. Estimates put the number of tweets per day as high as 500,000,000. But let's use 100,000,000 to be conservative. 100,000,000 tweets per day times 365 days per year = 36,500,000,000 tweets per year.

That's 36 trillion tweets per year. If we only consider the most recent 5 years of data, that would mean 185.5 trillion tweets.

So, to actually prove any kind of bias over the past 5 years factually, twitter would need to have (a) deterministically categorized each of the 185 trillion tweets by all the many possible biases that exist across the world, which is flat out impossible given today's computing limitations, (b) store that massive set of information someplace, which is fantastically expensive, even though we know it's junk data since there's way to reliably determine biases for all the tweets, and (c) show, from data that doesn't exist, where the data would be highly unreliable even if it did exist, that your particular anecdotes of bias occurred statistically more than others' anecdotes of bias.

Put another way, the fact that you know many people who were "censored" does not prove anything about how twitter is or was biased. Millions of people, all with multiple personal biases, have had content removed or accounts locked or banned.

There are many content moderation mistakes. There are a statistically insignificant number of high profile account bans, some of which might've been done by humans, and all us humans are biased including people at twitter.

But there is no systemic statistically meaningful bias at twitter and never was. It's not technically possible. It's pure ********.
 

Knight Shift

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Here we go.


8K EV's for April. About 1K less then March. Estimating it's about 3K more then April 2022. And their 4th best month ever, behind March of this year, Nov 2023(about 9k) and Dec 2023(a little over 10K).

2023 sales from May through Dec were much stronger then Feb-March-April period. So tougher comps here on out.
 
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Is anyone familiar with Ioniq 6? Is it good and reliable? They are offering some good leasing deals and I'm thinking about getting one.
 

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Nice. Where’d you find that?
On the F150 Lightning Forums, but I could not find a source. Ford Reps post directly on that forum, which is kind of cool. If they see someone with a complain, they directly engage with them and contact that dealer. It's Big Brother watching in a positive way!
 

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Is anyone familiar with Ioniq 6? Is it good and reliable? They are offering some good leasing deals and I'm thinking about getting one.
If you haven't already, I strongly recommend visiting these places and reading up on what current owners have to say:


I always view auto forums as the best place to get a sense of how owners really feel about their cars. Just keep in mind that people, who aren't high-rate contributors to such forums, tend to join and post only to mention negatives. And that a majority of owners will never contribute to an internet forum. So you can't just extrapolate out negatives or you'll get a false sense of badness. Is also wise to mostly ignore people are fan-bois; their opinions are invariably more about them assuaging their insecurity over their choices than about what they've chosen.
 
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New EV option. Looks kinda nice from side/rear-quarter, at first glance.

Can't imagine buying a brand-new consumer-level Lotus on purpose at this point (or ever, really).

A valuable classic or Evija with flipper potential, perhaps. Not usually a fan of Batman-inspired crap, but the new Batman one is pretty damn cool. Nope, nvm, that's Pininfarina - cool enough to forget the badge : )
 
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Can't imagine buying a brand-new consumer-level Lotus on purpose at this point (or ever, really).

A valuable classic or Evija with flipper potential, perhaps. Not usually a fan of Batman-inspired crap, but the new Batman one is pretty damn cool. Nope, nvm, that's Pininfarina - cool enough to forget the badge : )
I’m not a sedan guy. But Lotus knows how to build cars that are seriously fun to drive, with great handling. So I’m curious to see how reviewers feel about it once they get their hands on some.
 

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Read the wild email Tesla is sending to suppliers amid Supercharger chaos​



To all concerned:
You may be aware that there has been a recent adjustment with the Supercharger organization which is presently undergoing a sudden and thorough restructuring. If you have already received this email, please disregard it as we are attempting to connect with our suppliers and contractors. As part of this process, we are in the midst of establishing new leadership roles, prioritizing projects, and streamlining our payment procedures. Due to the transitional nature of this phase, we are asking for your patience with our response time.
I understand that this period of change may be challenging and that patience is not easy when expecting to be paid, however, I want to express my sincere appreciation for your understanding and support as we navigate through this transition. At this time, please hold on breaking ground on any newly awarded construction projects and planned pre-construction walks. If currently working on an active Supercharging construction site, please continue. Contact [email redacted] for further questions, comments, and concerns. Additionally, hold on working on any new material orders. Contact [email redacted] for further questions, comments, and concerns. If waiting on delayed payment, please contact [email redacted] for a status update. Thank you for your cooperation and patience.



 

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If the barrage of quotes attributed to Nick Fuentes are even half true, he's not exactly a wonderful human. Or even just human. He appears to qualify mostly as an major asstard.

Musk can do what he wants with twitter. I don't much care. But as a TSLA shareholder, I feel he should step down and let someone who doesn't want to pal around with white supremacist asshats, anti-Semites and neo-Nazis run Tesla. The Fuentes thing is just the latest in a nonstop batch of bad CEO behavior from him.

Given the Musk/twitter/Fuentes news, I'm shocked that @bac2therac hasn't started a thread denouncing Musk and twitter, given just how outspoken Bac has been about Anti-Semitism lately.
You're a TSLA shareholder and you want Musk to step down? That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. TSLA's market valuation today is not based on its current fundamentals, or near-term prospects, but rather Elon's vision of the future and record of success. TSLA would go to zero without Musk.
 

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You're a TSLA shareholder and you want Musk to step down? That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. TSLA's market valuation today is not based on its current fundamentals, or near-term prospects, but rather Elon's vision of the future and record of success. TSLA would go to zero without Musk.
😂
 

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You're a TSLA shareholder and you want Musk to step down? That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. TSLA's market valuation today is not based on its current fundamentals, or near-term prospects, but rather Elon's vision of the future and record of success. TSLA would go to zero without Musk.
As a Tesla shareholder I say he’s idiot for wanting Musk to step down. He’s the only reason Tesla is worth it’s value.

He’s making a flawed industry valuable. He’s the only value.
 

Knight Shift

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EV tax credits are dumb. Good to eliminate them.
You know what is dumb? Letting China get further ahead in a nascent and growing industry. The tax credits were for domestically produced vehicles, which led to investment in domestic factories and creation of jobs in the USA.

You probably have a problem with all of the tax breaks given to corporations under the CHIPs Act.
 
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Knight Shift

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The Money article you quoted is an opinion piece without any statistical data. Fail.

As far as green car reports, that's why the incentives are needed-- to help bring the costs down to the consumer. The incentives we received tilted the balance to making the EV F150 cheaper than the ICE version. We are fine with the charging network being what it is because we would have not taken a pickup truck (ICE or EV) on a long trip. The alternative is to allow the Chinese makers to cannibalize the market.
 

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Oddly enough I saw 2 CTs driving around the Green in Morristown yesterday at the same time. That may be the ugliest hunk of metal I’ve ever seen. Even my 15 year old son, who I assumed would think it was cool, hated it. It looks like a cheap metal wedge in person.
 
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Oddly enough I saw 2 CTs driving around the Green in Morristown yesterday at the same time. That may be the ugliest hunk of metal I’ve ever seen. Even my 15 year old son, who I assumed would think it was cool, hated it. It looks like a cheap metal wedge in person.
It’s both ghastly and spartan. It looks like a cheaply made expensive mistake.

It’s priced more than the average family can afford to spend, but far less than what would allow the owners to feel they bought something special and exclusive like a Mercedes Maybach which is also ugly but has a price most cannot afford.

I don’t get it. But each to their own.
 

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Oddly enough I saw 2 CTs driving around the Green in Morristown yesterday at the same time. That may be the ugliest hunk of metal I’ve ever seen. Even my 15 year old son, who I assumed would think it was cool, hated it. It looks like a cheap metal wedge in person.
Finally saw one live yesterday in Sedona, AZ. It is indeed ugly. CT may not be long for the world.

Cybertruck will be another casualty of Tesla’s Supercharger pullback​

Tesla’s hot new flagship vehicle, the Cybertruck, comes with some big charging improvements. But those improvements are incompatible with most of Tesla’s existing Supercharger network, and now that Tesla is pulling back on its Supercharger rollout, it may leave Cybertruck out in the cold.

But most of Tesla’s Superchargers don’t support 800V – at least the ones from the previous three generations. Tesla’s new V4 Superchargers do support 800V charging, but they still make up a small percentage of Supercharger sites.


Not only does V4 support 800V it also has a longer cable. Tesla’s V1-V3 Superchargers have cables that only reach a few feet from the charging unit, meaning you need to back in pretty close to them in order to plug in.

 

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Finally saw one live yesterday in Sedona, AZ. It is indeed ugly. CT may not be long for the world.

Cybertruck will be another casualty of Tesla’s Supercharger pullback​

Tesla’s hot new flagship vehicle, the Cybertruck, comes with some big charging improvements. But those improvements are incompatible with most of Tesla’s existing Supercharger network, and now that Tesla is pulling back on its Supercharger rollout, it may leave Cybertruck out in the cold.

But most of Tesla’s Superchargers don’t support 800V – at least the ones from the previous three generations. Tesla’s new V4 Superchargers do support 800V charging, but they still make up a small percentage of Supercharger sites.


Not only does V4 support 800V it also has a longer cable. Tesla’s V1-V3 Superchargers have cables that only reach a few feet from the charging unit, meaning you need to back in pretty close to them in order to plug in.

Some of the decisions coming out of Tesla lately are baffling. The supercharger firings is just one of them.
 

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Finally saw one live yesterday in Sedona, AZ. It is indeed ugly. CT may not be long for the world.

Cybertruck will be another casualty of Tesla’s Supercharger pullback​

Tesla’s hot new flagship vehicle, the Cybertruck, comes with some big charging improvements. But those improvements are incompatible with most of Tesla’s existing Supercharger network, and now that Tesla is pulling back on its Supercharger rollout, it may leave Cybertruck out in the cold.

But most of Tesla’s Superchargers don’t support 800V – at least the ones from the previous three generations. Tesla’s new V4 Superchargers do support 800V charging, but they still make up a small percentage of Supercharger sites.


Not only does V4 support 800V it also has a longer cable. Tesla’s V1-V3 Superchargers have cables that only reach a few feet from the charging unit, meaning you need to back in pretty close to them in order to plug in.


Beached on the middle of a nondescript off-road trail, I imagine 😄
 
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Some of the decisions coming out of Tesla lately are baffling. The supercharger firings is just one of them.

If you follow Musk closely nothing could be further from the truth. Musk has a near perfect track record with making big changes like the Charger restructure. If you are so sure you are right sell your shares and short the stock.
 
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If you follow Musk closely nothing could be further from the truth. Musk has a near perfect track record with making big changes like the Charger restructure. If you are so sure you are right sell your shares and short the stock.
Two things are at play here, which may (or maybe not) be different- 1) increasing competition from other companies 2) distraction of owning another company (Twitter/X- in addition to Space X) that has him distracted.

Not rooting for or against EM. You are right that his past record is impressive.
 

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If you follow Musk closely nothing could be further from the truth. Musk has a near perfect track record with making big changes like the Charger restructure. If you are so sure you are right sell your shares and short the stock.
If he’s so perfect, why is the stock price less than half what it once was?
 

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The bitterness towards the EV credits from the same people who whine and cry about China being a threat to us is pretty funny.
It's a typical example of politically obsessed people regurgitating narratives they've been fed by their chosen media sources without ever taking the time to actually understand the issue. They aren't even aware of how ridiculous, uninformed and even unintelligent they make themselves look.

The thing about the politically obsessed is that they genuinely believe that it's only ever the people on the "other side" that behave like lemmings. They cannot see it in themselves despite it being so comically obvious.
 

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If he’s so perfect, why is the stock price less than half what it once was?
Tesla is a long prop. If you need i
Two things are at play here, which may (or maybe not) be different- 1) increasing competition from other companies 2) distraction of owning another company (Twitter/X- in addition to Space X) that has him distracted.

Not rooting for or against EM. You are right that his past record is impressive.
Other then what is going on in China I see no increasing comp. The companies making ev’s are losing crazy amounts of money on each vehicle sold. As for X we should all be thankful he owns it.
 
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If he’s so perfect, why is the stock price less than half what it once was?
Easy answer. The entire Tesla stock story does not have anything to do with short term events including the high interest environment. It is a 100 percent bet on whether they solve autonomous driving. If you think they will it is a great investment - if you don’t sell now.
 
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