OT: Electric vehicles

Knight Shift

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I’ll answer the question not asked, I’ve used teslas fsd and though I think it’s safe and amazing, I don’t like the feeling of it. I used it on long highway drives no problem but hated it in town and in traffic.
I have an idea, and maybe I will patent it. While not for me, self-driving should be standard equipment on all vehicles, with the condition that it is automatically activated when a driver is doing the driving and not paying attention, speeding, and/or weaving in and out of traffic. Self-driving would be programmed to adhere to the speed limit and stay in the right lane, with no passing. In other words, self-driving should be mandatory for terrible drivers and auto-activated.
 

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I have an idea, and maybe I will patent it. While not for me, self-driving should be standard equipment on all vehicles, with the condition that it is automatically activated when a driver is doing the driving and not paying attention, speeding, and/or weaving in and out of traffic. Self-driving would be programmed to adhere to the speed limit and stay in the right lane, with no passing. In other words, self-driving should be mandatory for terrible drivers and auto-activated.
That'd be a good middle step, whether mandated by government or incentivized by insurance. Tech will, of course, need to get better and more widespread first.

I think after enough refinement, it will and should replace most human driving. The ultimate vision only really works if all traffic is being driven autonomously.
 

Rutgers Chris

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I have an idea, and maybe I will patent it. While not for me, self-driving should be standard equipment on all vehicles, with the condition that it is automatically activated when a driver is doing the driving and not paying attention, speeding, and/or weaving in and out of traffic. Self-driving would be programmed to adhere to the speed limit and stay in the right lane, with no passing. In other words, self-driving should be mandatory for terrible drivers and auto-activated.
I can tell you that if fsd is enabled, if you look down at your phone it obnoxiously alerts you to knock it off lol
 
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Knight Shift

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I can tell you that if fsd is enabled, if you look down at your phone it obnoxiously alerts you to knock it off lol
My Lightning does that, and IIRC, so did my crappy little Ford pickup truck I bought before the Lightning. It also detected if I was dozing off.
 

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Don't mean to step in the middle of a rock fight, but was wondering if you have tried Ford's self-driving feature Blue Cruise? I have not. Frankly, I think that self-driving is bonkers and don't foresee ever using it.
Eventually, when V2I is implemented, it’ll be very safe and reliable. Until then, though, a human needs to be paying attention unless in perfect and unchanging conditions - which are rare in most people’s driving experience.

And, as I keep saying, requiring a human to be attentive when the car is doing all the work is in direct opposition to human nature with respect the the limitations of our attention. And yes, that’s brokers.
 

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I think after enough refinement, it will and should replace most human driving. The ultimate vision only really works if all traffic is being driven autonomously.
Whoa there. Pretty sure that’s not happening anytime soon. The tech could be 100% perfect.

Telling Americans they cannot operate their own private vehicles will never be politically feasible. Probably not constitutionally feasible either. I’m certainly 100% opposed to it, although a takeover in the way @Knight Shift described it, for impaired or inattentive drivers, would be okay.

I mean, most states are unable to ban radar detectors on constitutional grounds (a good thing). We can’t (and shouldn’t) ban guns on constitutional grounds. Banning the right to move about freely ain’t gonna happen before those other things. And they shouldn’t.

Freedom vs. ultimate safety. I’m choosing freedom because once you give it up, you never get it back.
 

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Whoa there. Pretty sure that’s not happening anytime soon. The tech could be 100% perfect.

Telling Americans they cannot operate their own private vehicles will never be politically feasible. Probably not constitutionally feasible either. I’m certainly 100% opposed to it, although a takeover in the way @Knight Shift described it, for impaired or inattentive drivers, would be okay.

I mean, most states are unable to ban radar detectors on constitutional grounds (a good thing). We can’t (and shouldn’t) ban guns on constitutional grounds. Banning the right to move about freely ain’t gonna happen before those other things. And they shouldn’t.

Freedom vs. ultimate safety. I’m choosing freedom because once you give it up, you never get it back.

Didn't say any time soon, alluded to the opposite. Didn't even vaguely allude to banning anyone's ability to move around freely.

It will be plenty politically feasible when autonomous cars are markedly safer. Used to think we might live to see it, but now I doubt it. Time will help ease feasibility.
 

Jtung230

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More reading comprehension issues. They were fined for not reporting, not the accident. The reporting of accidents does not mean the car or person was at fault, it means they need to investigate. Follow along.
Try reading this again.

Tesla accounted for 40 out of 45 fatal crashes reported to NHTSA through Oct. 15.
 

Knight Shift

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I have had V13 installed since 12/24 (Hardware 4 Model 3). Eights hours self driving so far and no interventions. It is getting really really close.
Saw a Waymo self-driving taxi in Phoenix near the airport last week. It was kind of freaky.
 

Knight Shift

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I have had V13 installed since 12/24 (Hardware 4 Model 3). Eights hours self driving so far and no interventions. It is getting really really close.


This was posted on Electrek, not an EV or Tesla hate site:




Also, this:

Tesla Cybertruck ‘exploded’ in front of Trump Hotel​


 

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The terrorist act in New Orleans was carried out in a Ford Lighting. FBI said they found explosive. Wonder if he picked the EV truck because it could burn hotter and longer.
 

Knight Shift

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The terrorist act in New Orleans was carried out in a Ford Lighting. FBI said they found explosive. Wonder if he picked the EV truck because it could burn hotter and longer.
Doubtful. An explosion in proximity to a large gas tank would likely do more damage than a fire, but that would depend on many factors.

In the tragic New Orleans terrorist attack early New Year’s Day, at least 15 people have now been confirmed killed and 35 others injured when a truck driven by Shamsud Din Jabbar, 42, of Texas, plowed into crowds celebrating on Bourbon Street.
The incident occurred at approximately 3:15 a.m., just hours before the highly anticipated Allstate Sugar Bowl at Caesars Superdome.
The FBI confirmed that Jabbar, a U.S.-born citizen and Army veteran, was the suspect behind the deadly attack, which they believe he did not carry out alone. Jabbar’s truck contained an ISIS flag, firearms, and explosives
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Cue the self-serving speculation about the Cybertruck. ‘Cause we couldn’t possibly wait for a proper investigation by disinterested parties before leaping to conclusions based on crap we see on social media. 🙂
 

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The Teslerati is already out in force spinning like mad. Oooh what a strong truck. 🤣

If there was a serious bomb, instead of just fireworks, it would've blown the panels off the truck and turned bits of it into shrapnel. But hey, go buy a cybertruck which is built to protect hotels from fireworks. Protecting occupants in a collision, maybe, maybe not so much. But we can save the hotel - woo hoo!

And the comment about how there was a detonation system? I mean, duh. It's fireworks, there were as many detonation systems as there were fireworks.
 

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The Teslerati is already out in force spinning like mad. Oooh what a strong truck. 🤣

If there was a serious bomb, instead of just fireworks, it would've blown the panels off the truck and turned bits of it into shrapnel. But hey, go buy a cybertruck which is built to protect hotels from fireworks. Protecting occupants in a collision, maybe, maybe not so much. But we can save the hotel - woo hoo!

And the comment about how there was a detonation system? I mean, duh. It's fireworks, there were as many detonation systems as there were fireworks.
The Las Vegas Sheriff is the one who started said conversation

“A vehicle fire was reported at the hotel just after 8:40 a.m, and crews arrived to find a 2024 Cybertruck engulfed in flames, Las Vegas Sheriff Kevin McMahill said during a news conference.

“The fact that this was a Cybertruck really limited the damage that occurred inside of the valet, because it had most of the blast go up through the truck and out,” McMahill said. He noted that the glass front doors to the hotel were not broken during the explosion.

“I have to thank Elon Musk specifically,” he added, noting that Musk gave authorities “quite a bit of additional information,” including directly sending them video from Tesla charging stations to help with their efforts to track the driver.“
 

Jtung230

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Just tested my Tesla adapter today. Have a trip to Boston soon and wanted to make sure I have access to more chargers. Very easy to use and no issues. I was surprised how slowed it charged. It said it was going to take 1 hr to charge 30% (60 to 90). Is that right? I charged for 2 min and got 2%. The math doesn’t make sense.
 
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The Las Vegas Sheriff is the one who started said conversation

“A vehicle fire was reported at the hotel just after 8:40 a.m, and crews arrived to find a 2024 Cybertruck engulfed in flames, Las Vegas Sheriff Kevin McMahill said during a news conference.

“The fact that this was a Cybertruck really limited the damage that occurred inside of the valet, because it had most of the blast go up through the truck and out,” McMahill said. He noted that the glass front doors to the hotel were not broken during the explosion.

“I have to thank Elon Musk specifically,” he added, noting that Musk gave authorities “quite a bit of additional information,” including directly sending them video from Tesla charging stations to help with their efforts to track the driver.“
That just makes it funnier. The Teslerati are quoting world renowned structural engineer and explosive ordnance expert, Sheriff McMahill, about it.

The Sheriff looks like a good guy, and served 3 years in the army. It’s nice of him to credit the CEO of Tesla for sharing something any CEO would happily share. But I’m not looking to him for expert analysis on explosions.
 

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Just tested my Tesla adapter today. Have a trip to Boston soon and wanted to make sure I have access to more chargers. Very easy to use and no issues. I was surprised how slowed it charged. It said it was going to take 1 hr to charge 30% (60 to 90). Is that right? I charged for 2 min and got 2%. The math doesn’t make sense.
60 to 90 will charge very slowly. At the lower levels it charges much faster. Slows down as it gets full.
 
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The Las Vegas Sheriff is the one who started said conversation

“A vehicle fire was reported at the hotel just after 8:40 a.m, and crews arrived to find a 2024 Cybertruck engulfed in flames, Las Vegas Sheriff Kevin McMahill said during a news conference.

“The fact that this was a Cybertruck really limited the damage that occurred inside of the valet, because it had most of the blast go up through the truck and out,” McMahill said. He noted that the glass front doors to the hotel were not broken during the explosion.

“I have to thank Elon Musk specifically,” he added, noting that Musk gave authorities “quite a bit of additional information,” including directly sending them video from Tesla charging stations to help with their efforts to track the driver.“
The explosion is always going towards the path of least resistance, I'd be interested to see a comparison with similar explosive's in a traditional truck, but I assume steel quarter panels would still direct the explosion upward.
 

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Other factors would be if it’s a 250 or 150 charger and how many other people are charging there. An hour for 30% does seem off though
This was a 250 KW charger and 5 of the 8 chargers were in used. Do these estimate change while charging?
 

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Found on the internet

Lighting on Tesla SC
20 to 80 24 min
71 to 89 28 min

That 80 to 89 must be super slow.
 

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Found on the internet

Lighting on Tesla SC
20 to 80 24 min
71 to 89 28 min

That 80 to 89 must be super slow.
That looks accurate. Seeing how much of the 250 you’re actually getting when charging tells the story too. It will update as you go based on battery state and how much power you’re actually getting. For a longer trip I’ll charge at home up to 90 before I go, but then only up to 80 or less depending on what I need while I’m out. Hotel valets more and more are charging while you park at night which is a nice feature
 

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The explosion is always going towards the path of least resistance, I'd be interested to see a comparison with similar explosive's in a traditional truck, but I assume steel quarter panels would still direct the explosion upward.
I think the important thing is how people inside the truck do in the various types of collisions people experience in motor vehicles.

How things go when fireworks go off inside the truck bed is probably not a great reason to buy one for most people. And whatever happened clearly didn't go very well for the sole occupant.

It cracks me up that the Teslerati would, predictably, immediately work to spin the event as a positive marketing thing for the Cybertruck.
 

Knight Shift

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I think the tonneau cover is not getting the credit it deserves.
For EV fires, one tool firefighters use is a large thermal blanket that is placed over the vehicle to cut off the flow of air (containing oxygen) to the fire. Same principle as when a frying pan or pot catches fire on a stove top, place a lid over the pan or pot, and the fire will extinguish. Whatever the Tesla had in the rear cargo bed, and it looked like fireworks, if it was ignited, the cargo bed would cover would have at least partially contained the fire and the deployment of fireworks. Think the tonneau cover is standard on the CT, and I think it is a pretty sturdy cover. So yes, it helped, but it is basic common sense.
 

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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all brands. Musk told us it was the safest. Hm.

I know you have a lot of rules for what experts can be trusted and when, so just checking here since you linked the article. The expert in said article says it has nothing to do with the vehicle, but rather driver behavior, right?

“The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example.

“The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities,” iSeeCars executive analyst Karl Brauer said in the report. “A focused, alert driver, traveling at a legal or prudent speed, without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, is the most likely to arrive safely regardless of the vehicle they’re driving.”