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Knight Shift said:
Why the need for 220V? If it is something infrequent, could you get a 220V capable portable power station?

While that video gave the nod to the Lightning (was surprised about the storage), I was not that impressed with the review. I was keen on the GMC/Chevy for the fold in rear doors, however, I have a reasonable bias against GM products based on experience. As I noted above, I like that 690 mile range Dodge Ram hybrid that should be out, but I have heard mixed reviews of that technology, and not sure about Dodge/RAM.
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The 220v/240v output is for V2H. I can get a portable gas generator but hate the upkeep on those and it’s not as cool as telling people I can power my house with my truck 😀.

I totally get why the video picked the Lighting. The Silverado is really a SUV dressed up like a truck.
 
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RU-05 said:
They need to remake the body of the CT. There are some who are into it because it's so unique, and there are some who will love anything Elon does, but most people I talk to think that thing is stupid looking.

I imagine a remake is not more then a year or two off.
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I agree with all this.

While I’m not a huge fan of Tesla styling in general (talking about the Y and S), it is fairly distinctive and seems popular with lots of people. It’s just speculation but I think Tesla would do much better to reimagine their truck offering more in the style of their existing cars.

The Cybertruck stands out, but for all the wrong reasons, apparently. Nearly 100% of the comments I hear from everybody I know have been very negative. Even friends or acquaintances who I can’t recall ever making any comment about any cars of any kind have, unprompted, made highly disparaging remarks about the CT’s styling when they see one go by. The sole exception was some middle-school aged boys I once overheard oohing and aahing over one.

That’s no good reason for someone who likes it not to buy it. But if we extrapolate from that anecdotal evidence, it suggests perhaps Tesla shareholders would benefit more from Tesla producing a less polarizing style for its sole truck model.
 
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Unrelated to the discussions above, a friend leased a BMW iX a month ago and likes it. He hit something on the road and wrecked a tire but the rim was fine. Dealer told him they might not be able to get the tire until March! Hard to believe.
 
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29PAS said:
Unrelated to the discussions above, a friend leased a BMW iX a month ago and likes it. He hit something on the road and wrecked a tire but the rim was fine. Dealer told him they might not be able to get the tire until March! Hard to believe.
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If I were him, I’d look at tire rack and/or other dealerships. I can understand shortages, but that seems like a very long wait for something that should not be so hard to get.
 
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RU-05 said:
690? This is a pure EV?

What EV has the highest range?
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No, the Ram is a hybrid motor with a long range. There is a small gasoline engine that, as I understand it, never supplies power to the truck's drivetrain but recharges the hybrid battery.

I think the new Chevy Silverado's have the longest pure EV range, but not sure.
 
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Knight Shift said:
Why the need for 220V? If it is something infrequent, could you get a 220V capable portable power station?

While that video gave the nod to the Lightning (was surprised about the storage), I was not that impressed with the review. I was keen on the GMC/Chevy for the fold in rear doors, however, I have a reasonable bias against GM products based on experience. As I noted above, I like that 690 mile range Dodge Ram hybrid that should be out, but I have heard mixed reviews of that technology, and not sure about Dodge/RAM.
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I wouldn't touch Ram/Dodge anything. Partially bias on a dud of a Durango I had years back but mostly because Chrysler/Fiat/Peugeot/Stellantis just always seems a mess hanging on by a thread. Also brands like Dodge and Jeep seem to be most at home at the bottom of the big reliability surveys. Ram trucks tend to do better, but that's still too many red flags for me.
 
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I wouldn't touch Ram/Dodge anything. Partially bias on a dud of a Durango I had years back but mostly because Chrysler/Fiat/Peugeot/Stellantis just always seems a mess hanging on by a thread. Also brands like Dodge and Jeep seem to be most at home at the bottom of the big reliability surveys. Ram trucks tend to do better, but that's still too many red flags for me.
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Yeah, same for me with some bad GM/Chevy experiences, which are quite old. As for Ram/Dodge, can't find it, but saw something on the interwebs saying something similar to what you said above.
 
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mildone said:
If I were him, I’d look at tire rack and/or other dealerships. I can understand shortages, but that seems like a very long wait for something that should not be so hard to get.
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He checked around and couldn’t find one. I told him he should get them to take a tire from a car on the lot or wherever. They gave him an x7 as a loner and he seems to be content with that. Must really be a special tire.
 
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29PAS said:
He checked around and couldn’t find one. I told him he should get them to take a tire from a car on the lot or wherever. They gave him an x7 as a loner and he seems to be content with that. Must really be a special tire.
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That’s one nice thing w/luxury brands, the loaners are often quite nice.
 
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Saw my 1st GMC Sierra EV Denali. Must belong to one of the construction guys doing work at the high school. It looks sharp and it is big. Doesn’t scream truck.
 
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some video on the CT bombing. The person who drove the CT was suffering from PTSD after war experiences in Iraq. Sad.

 
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imoapie said:
I'd like to see the new Lucid Gravity. Looks very nice online. Their efficiency tech is incredible, thus the high ranges.
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Agree - but it is way too expensive and Lucid lost over $300,000 on each vehicle it sold last quarter. Not sustainable and they would have gone out of business already if not for Saudi money.
 
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In 2024, the world sold 3.5 million more EVs than it did in the previous year, according to a new report by Rho Motion. This increase is larger than the 3.2 million increase in EV sales from the previous year – meaning that EV sales aren’t just up, but that the rate of growth is itself increasing.
However, an entire year of false political, media and industry statements might have had you thinking otherwise.
You’ve probably heard this lie many times over the course of more than a year: that, supposedly, EV sales are in trouble, and are slowing drastically.

Gas car sales are in long-term decline​

Meanwhile, one thing that all of these headlines ignore is that gas car sales are in long-term decline.
Among all the false focus on EV sales throughout the year, relatively fewer headlines have noted that global gas car sales hit their peak in 2017, have not hit that peak again, and likely will never hit that peak again. They’re down about a quarter from that peak, and show no signs of recovering, as it’s likely that any increase in vehicle sales will be taken up by growth in EV sales, not gas car sales.
So the growth in EV sales should look even stronger when compared to the long-term weakness of gas car sales.

 
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Politics aside the push for changing to EVs and hyping them will be far less in the next couple of years and
deals on gas powered vehicles will out pace EVs.
Hopefully the auto industry will evolve towards EVs but not pushed into making EV the only type of vehicle accepted , but the government will give the auto industry its full support when it comes to research and development in manufacturing EVs as well as working with the Auto industry in finding ways to make gas power engines cleaner .
I feel a lot of resentment against EVs was because people felt they were being forced on them and I agree it looked that way.
But EVs probably are the future when driving is considered, but until EVs become more popular the choice of gas or electric should be up to the consumer while the government helps Auto Manufactures find ways to use the cleanest dependable engines in them by giving them tax breaks to make engine emissions as low as they can be
 
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RUDeac said:


there is the demand lol?
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There still will be a demand, but I think Tesla knows without the government pushing EV purchases with incentives so the public buys EVs and loans to the EV manufactures to help expand their plants ,the demand will be lower and gas power engines will be pushed for at least the next 4 years .
EV will go back to a niche market, but a profitable one that reduced the amount manufactured and some EV plants will have a smaller workforce then they had along with plans to add manufacturing plants put on hold.
Tesla will ramp up production in China and other Countries pushing EVs, but reduce the amount made for America and discount inventory not selling as well as planned , to help sales
 
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Hopefully burning every last bit of existing body panels, tooling, clay models, sketches and photographs of the Cybertruck.
 
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Parked my EV outside and not plugged in last night. Battery usage gauge was capped at 60%. That’s the lowest I’ve seen it.
 
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Looked like a Cybertruck meet at the middle school today. It was a Lunar new year event and there were 4 or 5 CTs in the lot. The Asians really like that flashy luxury.
 
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jtung230 said:
Looked like a Cybertruck meet at the middle school today. It was a Lunar new year event and there were 4 or 5 CTs in the lot. The Asians really like that flashy luxury.
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Neighbor bought one and wrapped it in a matte like white. Best looking one I’ve seen thus far
 
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Question about FSD and it's equivalents...

How do those systems manage when the road lines are washed out with all the salt in the winter?
 
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RUevolution36 said:
Question about FSD and it's equivalents...

How do those systems manage when the road lines are washed out with all the salt in the winter?
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The worst experience I had using it was getting off an exit ramp where the markings were somewhat washed from construction. It didn’t manage well and I had to take over to avoid going into the shoulder
 
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jtung230 said:

Good thing it’s not a car company. Sales are way down across the board. Think I saw that it’s also down big in California.
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It all goes back to business 101. Don’t take a dump on the head of your customers. Also trailer trash doesn’t buy Teslas.

If the robotaxi doesn’t pan out or investors lose faith in the robotaxi and combine that with the fact that no one is buying Teslas, this could get ugly real quick. There is also a growing momentum for folks wanting to trade in their model Y and 3 for the Rivian R2 or R3 if Rivian can survive as a company until 2026/2027. I wouldn’t be surprised is Elon uses his influence in the Trump administration to destroy Rivian.
 
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It all goes back to business 101. Don’t take a dump on the head of your customers. Also trailer trash doesn’t buy Teslas.

If the robotaxi doesn’t pan out or investors lose faith in the robotaxi and combine that with the fact that no one is buying Teslas, this could get ugly real quick. There is also a growing momentum for folks wanting to trade in their model Y and 3 for the Rivian R2 or R3 if Rivian can survive as a company until 2026/2027. I wouldn’t be surprised is Elon uses his influence in the Trump administration to destroy Rivian.
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There’s a little bit of hyperbole in “no one is buying teslas.” Surely it was assumed market share would shrink as other companies caught up. The Model Y alone is still outselling Rivian 10:1 in California. I think Hyundai and Kia are the real ones to watch.
 
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There’s a little bit of hyperbole in “no one is buying teslas.” Surely it was assumed market share would shrink as other companies caught up. The Model Y alone is still outselling Rivian 10:1 in California. I think Hyundai and Kia are the real ones to watch.
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Depends on who you talked to, but there was definitely those that mocked the idea that "competition is coming".
 
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Rutgers Chris said:
There’s a little bit of hyperbole in “no one is buying teslas.” Surely it was assumed market share would shrink as other companies caught up. The Model Y alone is still outselling Rivian 10:1 in California. I think Hyundai and Kia are the real ones to watch.
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When your stock is priced for hypergrowth, any decrease in sales is analogous to "no one is buying".

Right now, Tesla is outselling Rivian, but we have to wait and see what happens when R2/3 comes out (if it ever does... still not sure if Rivian will survive). I have a feeling that demand for the Rivian product will outstrip supply very quickly. Hyundai and Kia may take away some customers, but comparatively Rivian is seen as more of a luxury brand.
 
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rurahrah000 said:
When your stock is priced for hypergrowth, any decrease in sales is analogous to "no one is buying".

Right now, Tesla is outselling Rivian, but we have to wait and see what happens when R2/3 comes out (if it ever does... still not sure if Rivian will survive). I have a feeling that demand for the Rivian product will outstrip supply very quickly. Hyundai and Kia may take away some customers, but comparatively Rivian is seen as more of a luxury brand.
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I was down to a Rivian and the Y, just wasn’t very close cost wise and I think Rivian could use a few more years to mature tech/vehicle wise. It’s definitely more of a luxury brand. If it can make something similar to the Ioniq it will get interesting
 
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