Market share and sales are two different things. Actual sales are down significantly.
OT: Electric vehicles
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I think the market share drop is even more significant as overall EV sales were up in 2024.
Though you may be talking Germany specifically here, and I'm not sure their overall EV sales.
The comment I was replying to was in general, not specific to Germany. Europe seems to be a little late to the party on a lot of things these days. I see the Model Y transition also being used as the excuse, probably a weak one.
R2/3 are supposed to compete with the model Y. The R1 was Rivian version of Model S. R2/3 is for the regular users.
You are correct... "no one is buying Teslas" is hyperbolic phrase, but to an investor sales down 60% in Germany is the same effect as no one is buying teslas.
That is a crazy number to be down for a company that is supposed to be growing like gangbusters.
To the eye (my eyes anyway), they just don't do it for me.
I like the S and that's about it at this point.
DogShit was well-versed on Tesla and only Tesla. Which is why his broader takes were laughably awful.
In this case, they are losing market share and sales.
Elon was the greatest thing since sliced bread, what happened? 
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Makes sense. That’s why they want FSD so they don’t have to drive.
The Forester hybrid is on track to come out this spring and looks good. With some additional included features, it might be within $1500 of the premium trim package 15 similarly equipped. In the short term the problem waiting could be tariffs. These will be made in the US in 26 but will be imports to start. 26/33 vs 34/35 mpg, with a little more HP with combined electric. 180HP vs 194HP. slightly heavier but estimated to be only about 300lb extra. So close, but I think I have to grab the CVE to avoid tariff risk. Need something in the next 6mo. ugh. no politics pls. it is what it is. Once the tariff risk is gone I think they will sell a ton of these.
Read an article the Chinese EV are taking over in Australia since they don’t manufacture EV so no tariffs necessary. However, the US and Europe wants Australia to stop EV sale due to national security and the cars can spy on them.
China was on Australia early. They are heavily invested there and basically own mining in the country.
This isn't helping as another Summer of Love 2.0 is coming with "mostly peaceful" demonstrations again on the way. https://www.msn.com/en-us/crime/gen...cktails-and-gunfire-at-tesla-lots/ar-AA1AvY9u
Assuming they’re insured 100%, just a few less teslas they have to worry about selling. Genius protest
Game changer
ETA US auto makers better copy it asap.
I’m trying think of a CEO who has done more PR brand destruction while their company was at a peak. Richard Fuld (Lehman Bros) or Ken Lay (Enron) come to mind, but they were doing crooked **** and got caught.
nah - this is temporary. Doge is over on July 1, 2026. Long term Tesla will do fine - there cars are just too good and FSD will be a money printer.
A main concern with fast charging any kind of battery is what happens to the battery over time? A battery that charges in 5 minutes but is substantially degraded in 18 months is a problem
Doge ends and Elon moves on. Of course there is some movement on making Doge permanent but Elon will be gone no later than 7/2026.
Did they catch the person who committed the arson? If not, then how does Musk know the party affiliation if any, of the arsonist?
This is exactly what I warned about, many months or so ago. Run the businesses or be political. Don't do both.
That video was from a week or two ago. He can’t be speaking about the arson specifically in it
Pre-politics people who bought them were pretty happy with them. I have two so maybe I’m biased but there’s relatively no data to show the product isn’t good
Built quality was very well documented. The fan club just dismissed it because it was a Tesla. Also, competition has caught up and the Tesla’s refresh isn’t doing it for people.
Plenty of things to nitpick sure. “Not a good product” would be considered rather hyperbolic. Plenty of non biased outlets rate the cars very well, the model 3 being the best EV rated by several. Even if competition is catching up, that doesn’t make them bad products.