Hybrids hold their value best. Followed by ICE vehicles and then EVs bringing up the rear. After 5 years average value is about:
Hybrid - 55-60%
ICE - 50%
EV - 40%
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Hybrid - 55-60%
ICE - 50%
EV - 40%
I had a boss several months back that had a tesla. The worst thing you could do was say the word tesla in a conversation. That was an hour of your life you can't get back.
Its the same w/ Vegans, Vegetarians, Cross Fit members, and hypochondriacs.
"Never poke the animal w/ a stick unless you want to get bit....................."
Tesla is light years ahead of everyone else.
I drove the Tesla that will go 0-60 in 2.something seconds, and I was floored and amazed. they are amazing vehicles. The self driving feature was flawless the day I drove !
If I had the money for a second around town vehicle for work related meeting, I would totally do a Tesla
I drove the Tesla that will go 0-60 in 2.something seconds, and I was floored and amazed. they are amazing vehicles. The self driving feature was flawless the day I drove !
If I had the money for a second around town vehicle for work related meeting, I would totally do a Tesla
Maybe the Mustang Mach E GT does get a true range of 250-275 miles on 100%. But I wouldn't know because I was stomping that ***** to feel that torque.
If you don’t like EVs or don’t want one then don’t buy one.
Nearly all (but not 100%) of people offering negative opinions about them have never owned one and/or haven’t taken the time to understand them.
They are not universally the best vehicle for every situation. One of my vehicles is a regular Ford F-150. It’s a great vehicle but not best-suited for every driving situation. Same for the two Teslas I own. They are not the best vehicle for every situation either. Same for the motorcycle. Same for the RV.
I’m old and have owned ICE vehicles for decades including Corvettes, four wheel drive pickups, regular family cars, and EVs. The Teslas I own most often are the best vehicle for MY current driving needs. Many people who seem to find endless joy in disparaging EVs are usually doing so from a position of ignorance. Not stupidity; ignorance.
Before I bought my first EV, I took a good, long, honest look at how I expected to use it. It made the most sense in MY situation. Everybody’s situation is different.
I (usually) try to keep my comments to a minimum on subjects I know very little about. People who generalize that EVs are inherently bad or stupid are often illustrating their own ignorance.
I reserve the right to comment our sports teams even though I never played college sports, though.
Nearly all (but not 100%) of people offering negative opinions about them have never owned one and/or haven’t taken the time to understand them.
They are not universally the best vehicle for every situation. One of my vehicles is a regular Ford F-150. It’s a great vehicle but not best-suited for every driving situation. Same for the two Teslas I own. They are not the best vehicle for every situation either. Same for the motorcycle. Same for the RV.
I’m old and have owned ICE vehicles for decades including Corvettes, four wheel drive pickups, regular family cars, and EVs. The Teslas I own most often are the best vehicle for MY current driving needs. Many people who seem to find endless joy in disparaging EVs are usually doing so from a position of ignorance. Not stupidity; ignorance.
Before I bought my first EV, I took a good, long, honest look at how I expected to use it. It made the most sense in MY situation. Everybody’s situation is different.
I (usually) try to keep my comments to a minimum on subjects I know very little about. People who generalize that EVs are inherently bad or stupid are often illustrating their own ignorance.
I reserve the right to comment our sports teams even though I never played college sports, though.
Well yeah. I don't that's ever been a problem for anyone. The problem has been the government and car manufacturers rapidly moving to a total EV market and eliminate ICE options. Thankfully, that is starting to moderate and some sanity is returning. But sure, EVs should be available for the people who want to buy one as the market can support it. Same for hybrids. Conventional ICE only models are quickly becoming a dinosaur and will probably die in the next 10 or so years with or without government mandates. Hybrids are just so superior in every way to them.
It was my first time to have a true experience driving a totally electric car. I really wanted to like the car because it was fun to drive. However since it was my first time to have the experience, I learned a lot about charging too.
I wouldn't mind having a BWM I series or that Mach E for my 25 mile commute. But I'd have to know how much it would cost to add a 240v outlet in the garage. That would be the only way. Also How much my electric bill would go up.
Generally speaking, expect to save about $50-$60/month in switching from gas to electricity (less if you use charging stations). Cost to add the outlet could be about $500, but could be a good bit more if your electrical panel needs to be upgraded.
We tried to sell Mach E's and Lightnings here in Brookhaven back when they were the 'craze'. We had customers asking for them fairly regularly for about 5 months in 2022. The problem was, Ford could not build them quickly enough to capitalize on it. By the time we did receive the Mach E's, customer sentiment had changed. So, we ended up transferring three of them to other dealers in east coast states. One was a 2023 that was placed in mannequin demo status, drove it for 10k miles, then took a $28,000 loss on it 18 months later. The Lightning trucks did better. We ordered 5 for retail customers. Each one bought when the trucks arrived. Furthermore, the MSRP on the EVs was actually $10 LESS than the invoice price with NO holdback. So, the dealer made no front-end on the EVs. For the consumer, that's a big, big plus. For Ford dealers who also will not be getting regular service visits from EVs, it is/was a loser.
Both the Mach E and the Lightning haul ***, however.
Just my 2 cents.
Both the Mach E and the Lightning haul ***, however.
Just my 2 cents.
It takes like an hour for a cell phone Li-Ion battery that weighs like 0.5 oz to charge fully from a complete discharge.
Charging one that weighs 800 lbs fully - in 5 minutes - is a total pipe dream. Just doing it in an hour (same as a cell phone battery) is a pretty major miracle of modern technology.
Full EV adoption thus depends less on charge time, and more on range or energy storage capacity of the battery. The charge time problem would have been solved 40 years ago for wireless phones, power tools, electric razors, etc. if it was ever going to happen.
Agreed, I do have a charge at home and would not own an EV otherwise. My home charger uses a 50A plug and I get 9.4 KWH without it being hard wired. I typically use about 30 KWH a day. My car holds 77.4 KWH 3-4 hrs a night and its' good or more if needed.
Fast charging is not meaningful to me unless I am traveling.
My 2023 Ioniq 5 will charge at a super charger or fast charger in about 15 minutes under perfect conditions. May take 25 if it's cold outside, you have to be a bit flexible on this and relax. You get to a charger and it's broken and you curse a bit your choices and there is another one out my way 15 minutes and you have lost an hour if not careful getting charged. Traveling and charging is a pain but TESLA charging network is way better than that. I want a Tesla charge adapter, newer cars come with them.
I plan to make stops with other activities like lunch or even a museum etc..
But even then, charging on the road is not cost effective. I would not buy one to travel but I figure even that could be made better with practice. It can be a pain, making a flight plan for my plane was easier and charging on the road is expensive. I paid 42cents and 62.5cents per KWH when the power was out for two weeks. I was using my car to power my house to keep a few things going as I have a guest house with a fridge and a main house with only one generator. That was cool and way cheaper than buying gas for that generator but is also limited.
I say anyone using a vehicle as a commuter car and rarely travels unless flying as I do, should consider an EV. It's fun to drive, quick as heck, almost no maintenance. You have a cabin air filter, wiper fluid and wheels/tires are about it. You don't even have brake wear as you use regenerative braking for stopping but if you travel a lot or haul heavy loads, stick with what you got for now anyway.
Be great for a 2nd car. Get a used one and drive in ground to commute is not a bad idea. They are certainly cheap to operate.
EV's don't affect it nearly as much as you think. Most charge at night during non-peak hours and don't create problems. AI growth? that is going to be a problem.
I am considering a solar panel system but I cant' yet make the numbers work for me but it's getting closer. AI may push me over the edge. You could see electric prices up by 50% or more in next 3-5 years.
I got 65,000 on my first set of 50,000 mile tires and I still had tread that I would have kept driving another year in my younger state of brokeness.
Not saying that EV's don't weigh more and should have more tire wear but tire wear is not nearly the problem I thought it might be for me.
1. I hear the I can coordinate my charging stops with things like lunch, etc. The problem is the car is telling when you have to stop, which may or may not be when you want to stop. And there may be a lunch spot near the charger or not. Even if there is, it may be something you like, or not.
2. Agree. Or even if you just like the car and like to drive it.
I have no clue why no one has built a car that mimicked the first eco car that MSU built. It simply took the same concept of the diesel freight trains and applied the fuel-electric hybrid drive to the car.
that seems like a winner that would be fantastic for even larger trucks that need a lot of towing capacity. Could you imagine how good a 3/4 ton truck with a diesel-electric hybrid drive would sell? Pull a fifth wheel with a hybrid? That would be phenomenal.
I have a 30 miles city commute to work everyday so 60 miles total. I would love a Tesla to commute in and bum around town in but I do not want to travel out of town in an EV. I saw a video on YouTube a few years ago that a tech reviewer posted where he and his friends traveled like 1000 miles across the county and half were in an EV and the other half were in a regular gas engine car. They timed how long it took them to get to their destination and back home. The guys in the gas car beat them by a full day.
I wouldn’t mind owning a PHEV if I could get 40 miles or so out of a charge. Running around town on all electric would be easy in my retired lifestyle. Only problem they cost a few thousand more than a hybrid on average. I’m a couple of years away from needing a new vehicle so will see what the market looks like then. More than likely a hybrid will be my next vehicle.
My x5 50e gets me 38 - 42 miles per charge. Best car I've ever owned.
It seems like tire wear/expense is a good trade off for not having other maintenance issues. No oil changes, or transmission service, or radiator concerns. Cabin air filter, wiper blades, brake pads are about it. Batteries can be an issue, but most manufacturers are offering like 8 year factory warranties on batteries.
Its a dirty word these days, but if we could import cheap electric cars from China they would be a big hit as inexpensive commuter cars. They sell for like $1,000, but right now the tariffs and the cost to make one road worthy in the US makes it cost prohibitive.
EVs are basically where ICE cars were 120 or so years ago. How many people back then looked at one of the “new fangled contraptions” and said “Well it ain’t never gonna replace the horse.”
Back then folks would have never believed you would have a gas station on almost every corner as well.
I’m considering one as a commuter when I purchase my next vehicle but I will be changing at home and only using it for shorter trips.
Back then folks would have never believed you would have a gas station on almost every corner as well.
I’m considering one as a commuter when I purchase my next vehicle but I will be changing at home and only using it for shorter trips.
Drive a BMW 5-Series PHEV before I bought my current car (an ICE Mazda 6 turbo). It was awesome. But not much better than my car & cost about twice as much. I think I made the right decision. Still would have been nice to be able to charge at home & get about 25 miles electric before gas engine kicked in.
Something that’s intriguing to me is the Slate electric pickup. Base price is $25000 , 150 miles, no radio, Bluetooth speakers, roll up windows, one color but wrapable any color, just basic transportation. Don’t want a two door pickup, just order the SUV kit, remove the bed and install the rear seats kit. It would make a great everyday vehicle.
We bought a 2025 Tesla Model 3 in December 2024, before the $7500 credit went away. We 17'ing love that car. Fast as sh*t. Drives beautifully and looks great. The only thing I would've done different is spend the extra money to get the Model 3 with the "insane" acceleration. We have a 220V plugin in our garage, and we charge it at home whenever necessary. We've had this car a little over one year. Guess how much money we've spent on gas, oil changes and other maintenance costs? Around $5 for some wiper fluid. Also, somehow, our Model 3 has yet to catch on fire and burn down our house. Tell me you don't like EVs AFTER you've gotten behind the wheel of a Model 3. Ignorance indeed. (Sorry fellas, I couldn't resist.)If you don’t like EVs or don’t want one then don’t buy one.
Nearly all (but not 100%) of people offering negative opinions about them have never owned one and/or haven’t taken the time to understand them.
They are not universally the best vehicle for every situation. One of my vehicles is a regular Ford F-150. It’s a great vehicle but not best-suited for every driving situation. Same for the two Teslas I own. They are not the best vehicle for every situation either. Same for the motorcycle. Same for the RV.
I’m old and have owned ICE vehicles for decades including Corvettes, four wheel drive pickups, regular family cars, and EVs. The Teslas I own most often are the best vehicle for MY current driving needs. Many people who seem to find endless joy in disparaging EVs are usually doing so from a position of ignorance. Not stupidity; ignorance.
Before I bought my first EV, I took a good, long, honest look at how I expected to use it. It made the most sense in MY situation. Everybody’s situation is different.
I (usually) try to keep my comments to a minimum on subjects I know very little about. People who generalize that EVs are inherently bad or stupid are often illustrating their own ignorance.
I reserve the right to comment our sports teams even though I never played college sports, though.
I watched the latest Jay Leno Garage on YouTube earlier this week, that was the featured vehicle is this episode. It's a neat concept but not going to work if the qualities not there. Its a no frills plain Jane electric truck with a lot of customizable features but if the base truck is junk it's doomed
Yep got the model X. Unbelievable awesome car. I just want to go out and let it FSD me every where. I volunteer to drive to lunch at work. Amazed that I can tell grok to navigate anywhere and it takes me there while I watch YouTube
Yes, the FSD is incredible and very useful. I can foresee using it constantly when (if?) I turn 75 or 80.
Driving from Tallahassee to NO today. Put it in standard mode and dark shades then take about a 2 hr nap
