OT: Finebaum at it again.

[RUScrew85]

NJ held out as long as they could.

"Lincoln's 1863 Emancipation Proclamation did not free enslaved African Americans in the Northern States; it freed only those in the mostly southern "rebellious states." Two years later, New Jersey bitterly refused to ratify the Thirteenth Amendment, the United States Constitutional Amendment that abolished slavery and involuntary servitude across the country.

Slavery’s final legal death in New Jersey occurred on January 23, 1866, when in his first official act as governor, Marcus L. Ward of Newark signed a state Constitutional Amendment that brought about an absolute end to slavery in the state. In other words, the institution of slavery in New Jersey survived for months following the declaration of freedom in Texas."

https://nj.gov/state/historical/his-2021-juneteenth.shtml

 

[RUforlife]

The established fact is that college football has evolved into a Southern sport, you can try to argue otherwise, but it is silly and pointless argument. Yes, the B1G has the most lucrative media package, due mainly to three programs, Michigan, Ohio State and to a lesser extent Penn State who dominate the conference from a football perspective, and to which if you removed from the conference the money would not be anywhere near the same. In the South college football has taken an enhanced meaning to communities, almost religious, that is simply not the case in the Rust Belt, West, and Northeast, where it is just one spectator sport among many. If you want to read an excellent book on the subject, I recommend https://lsupress.org/books/detail/origins-of-southern-college-football/. There are also countless articles on the subject matter to numerous for me to list here.

 

[e5fdny]

The established fact is that college football has evolved into a Southern sport, you can try to argue otherwise, but it is silly and pointless argument. Yes, the B1G has the most lucrative media package, due mainly to three programs, Michigan, Ohio State and to a lesser extent Penn State who dominate the conference from a football perspective, and to which if you removed from the conference the money would not be anywhere near the same. In the South college football has taken an enhanced meaning to communities, almost religious, that is simply not the case in the Rust Belt, West, and Northeast, where it is just one spectator sport among many. If you want to read an excellent book on the subject, I recommend https://lsupress.org/books/detail/origins-of-southern-college-football/. There are also countless articles on the subject matter to numerous for me to list here.

“Money talks, *** walks” or something like that.

The established fact is that college football has evolved into a Southern sport, you can try to argue otherwise, but it is silly and pointless argument. Yes, the SEC has ALMOST the most lucrative media package, due mainly to three programs, Alabama, Georgia and to a lesser extent (fill in the blank) who dominate the conference from a football perspective, and to which if you removed from the conference the money would not be anywhere near the same. In the South college football has taken an enhanced meaning to communities, almost religious, that is simply not the case in the Rust Belt, West, and Northeast, where it is just one spectator sport among many. If you want to read an excellent book on the subject, I recommend https://lsupress.org/books/detail/origins-of-southern-college-football/. There are also countless articles on the subject matter to numerous for me to list here.

Agree.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

The established fact is that college football has evolved into a Southern sport, you can try to argue otherwise, but it is silly and pointless argument. Yes, the B1G has the most lucrative media package, due mainly to three programs, Michigan, Ohio State and to a lesser extent Penn State who dominate the conference from a football perspective, and to which if you removed from the conference the money would not be anywhere near the same. In the South college football has taken an enhanced meaning to communities, almost religious, that is simply not the case in the Rust Belt, West, and Northeast, where it is just one spectator sport among many. If you want to read an excellent book on the subject, I recommend https://lsupress.org/books/detail/origins-of-southern-college-football/. There are also countless articles on the subject matter to numerous for me to list here.

Yup exactly. And OSU, Michigan and PSU know it too. So long as the money can match what the SEC delivers, they likely have no interest in partnering with Alabama and company. That’s why the BIG has a good chance of surviving in the long run - thereby preventing the single super league prophecy.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

NJ held out as long as they could.

"Lincoln's 1863 Emancipation Proclamation did not free enslaved African Americans in the Northern States; it freed only those in the mostly southern "rebellious states." Two years later, New Jersey bitterly refused to ratify the Thirteenth Amendment, the United States Constitutional Amendment that abolished slavery and involuntary servitude across the country.

Slavery’s final legal death in New Jersey occurred on January 23, 1866, when in his first official act as governor, Marcus L. Ward of Newark signed a state Constitutional Amendment that brought about an absolute end to slavery in the state. In other words, the institution of slavery in New Jersey survived for months following the declaration of freedom in Texas."

https://nj.gov/state/historical/his-2021-juneteenth.shtml

Interesting.. there weren't many slaves in Jersey at the time. According to the 1860 census there was 1.. ONE slave in New Jersey.

(EDIT: I read that wrong.. that 1 was only in a few counties.. there were 18 total.. 6 male, 12 female)

So, I don't get this. If the slaves were not freed in the South then maybe I could see a powerful coalition of resorts who wanted to continue to attract southern slave owners to summer up here (sailing up the coast).. or maybe involved as labor in shipping.

Such a fight over keeping 18 people enslaved? What powerful politicians or friends/family of, owned them? Ahhh.. Somerset County had half of them... so the rich folk in mansions in Somerset.. figures. Looking through the occupations listed at the bottom, Laborers was number one with 31K and Farmers close at 30K but Servants was number 3 with 22K and number 4 was Farm laborers at 16K.. no other occupation over 10K with Carpenters number 5 at 7.5K.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Here's a novel concept

 

[Knight Shift]

Mrs. Finebaum is a well respected physician.

A proctologist? She spends a lot of time staring at an ahole.

 

[e5fdny]

A proctologist? She spends a lot of time staring at an ahole.

 

[Mr_Twister]

I missed the Paul Finebaum Show this afternoon. Did Paul make any remarks over the SEC‘s less than stellar start to the season? Did Jeff from Columbus OH call to hold Paul’s feet to the fire?

 

[ScarletDave]

The established fact is that college football has evolved into a Southern sport, you can try to argue otherwise, but it is silly and pointless argument. Yes, the B1G has the most lucrative media package, due mainly to three programs, Michigan, Ohio State and to a lesser extent Penn State who dominate the conference from a football perspective, and to which if you removed from the conference the money would not be anywhere near the same. In the South college football has taken an enhanced meaning to communities, almost religious, that is simply not the case in the Rust Belt, West, and Northeast, where it is just one spectator sport among many. If you want to read an excellent book on the subject, I recommend https://lsupress.org/books/detail/origins-of-southern-college-football/. There are also countless articles on the subject matter to numerous for me to list here.

No, the Big Ten is not just OSU, Michigan, and PSU. It has by far the largest alumni base of any conference. Nebraska and Minnesota may not draw a lot of eyeballs compared to Alabama but they do draw more than Missouri and Mississippi State. If you go to downtown Atlanta, youll see lots of Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU etc. hats and shirts. But also lots of Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin etc. grads. When you go to NYC, you still see PSU, Michigan, etc. shirts, but a lot less to none of LSU, Ole Miss, etc.

 

[e5fdny]

No, the Big Ten is not just OSU, Michigan, and PSU. It has by far the largest alumni base of any conference. Nebraska and Minnesota may not draw a lot of eyeballs compared to Alabama but they do draw more than Missouri and Mississippi State. If you go to downtown Atlanta, youll see lots of Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU etc. hats and shirts. But also lots of Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin etc. grads. When you go to NYC, you still see PSU, Michigan, etc. shirts, but a lot less to none of LSU, Ole Miss, etc.

Same thing in Florida.

 

[graystork]

He should ask Arkansas

 

[Mr_Twister]

Finebaum had a sensational conversation this afternoon with 95-year old guest Eddie Conyers, Alabama’s longest tenured employee.
Conyers was great, a very funny guy. He was Alabama’s football practice official for 62 years.
Great anecdotes on Bear Bryant, John Hannah, and Joe Namath.

 

[fsg2_rivals]

Finebaum had a sensational conversation this afternoon with 95-year old guest Eddie Conyers, Alabama’s longest tenured employee.
Conyers was great, a very funny guy. He was Alabama’s football practice official for 62 years.
Great anecdotes on Bear Bryant, John Hannah, and Joe Namath.

Do you have an advertising contract with the guy?

It's like you're talking to your past self.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Do you have an advertising contract with the guy?

It's like you're talking to your past self.

I’d like the Big Ten Network to compete with the Finebaum show. I pull for Rutgers and the Big Ten, but Finebaum’s show beats anything on the Big Ten Network at the same time.

 

[RUGuitarMan1]

NJ held out as long as they could.

"Lincoln's 1863 Emancipation Proclamation did not free enslaved African Americans in the Northern States; it freed only those in the mostly southern "rebellious states." Two years later, New Jersey bitterly refused to ratify the Thirteenth Amendment, the United States Constitutional Amendment that abolished slavery and involuntary servitude across the country.

Slavery’s final legal death in New Jersey occurred on January 23, 1866, when in his first official act as governor, Marcus L. Ward of Newark signed a state Constitutional Amendment that brought about an absolute end to slavery in the state. In other words, the institution of slavery in New Jersey survived for months following the declaration of freedom in Texas."

https://nj.gov/state/historical/his-2021-juneteenth.shtml

Not sure why all this was brought into the discussion. However, while the above is all factual, there is a 100+ years of history left out. Certainly the legacy of the Jim Crow system distinguishes NJ from the old Confederacy. There was without question defacto racism throughout the entire US including NJ, however it was not written into law/social norms as it was in the Deep South until 1960s.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

I’d like the Big Ten Network to compete with the Finebaum show. I pull for Rutgers and the Big Ten, but Finebaum’s show beats anything on the Big Ten Network at the same time.

I doubt anyone really cares. Go spam the B1G offices.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

Finebaum took the Pepsi Challenge and chose JIF.

 

[motorb54]

Not sure why all this was brought into the discussion. However, while the above is all factual, there is a 100+ years of history left out. Certainly the legacy of the Jim Crow system distinguishes NJ from the old Confederacy. There was without question defacto racism throughout the entire US including NJ, however it was not written into law/social norms as it was in the Deep South until 1960s.

Wow! Learn a little more about Wilson. As racist as could be.

 

[RUGuitarMan1]

Wow! Learn a little more about Wilson. As racist as could be.

Correct. What is the overall point?