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RUTGERS95 said:
the evidence of those two is still suspect no? what we do have, verifiable, is chinese anchors off of cali coast that date back to pre columbus

I don't recall any record, documented and validated, of viking or polynesians. could be wrong.

i love history, it's fascinating
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They literally found buried Vikings in Newfoundland
 
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RUtix4me said:
Oh jeez, no slight, The vikings and Indigenous people were here first. Columbus day was always taught as celebrating his discovery of the americas and not his heritage…pleaase how stupid can one be?
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You are being stupid, so take your own advice. Columbus' voyagers are some of the most impactful and consequential events in the history of humankind. Did the Vikings and Polynesians make it to North American first? Yes, but those actions never led to widespread knowledge of the continent.

Whining about Columbus is like crapping on Bell or the Wright Brothers for not being the actual first to achieve their inventions. FYI, they weren't, but their work led to widespread knowledge and eventually usage of such technology, so they get the credit.
 
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You are being stupid, so take your own advice. Columbus' voyagers are some of the most impactful and consequential events in the history of humankind. Did the Vikings and Polynesians make it to North American first? Yes, but those actions never led to widespread knowledge of the continent.

Whining about Columbus is like crapping on Bell or the Wright Brothers for not being the actual first to achieve their inventions. FYI, they weren't, but their work led to widespread knowledge and eventually usage of such technology, so they get the credit.
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They were and maybe shouldn't be so celebrated. The man was a despicable human
 
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It could literally not be more obvious that this thread was started precisely so that what ensued would ensue.
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yesrutgers01 said:
They were and maybe shouldn't be so celebrated. The man was a despicable human
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About 95% of humans at that time were despicable, including the indigenous people of North and South America. Should he be celebrated as a great hero? No. Should his journeys be recognized as a true epoch for humanity? Yes.

History needs context and isn't black or white.
 
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About 95% of humans at that time were despicable, including the indigenous people of North and South America. Should he be celebrated as a great hero? No. Should his journeys be recognized as a true epoch for humanity? Yes.

History needs context and isn't black or white.
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Frankly, I have a feeling that for a select few posters here it IS all white.
 
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If Columbus didn't discover America then is he not responsible for what happened to the Native Americans during colonization?

As said above, it was already well known land?
So then has he been misappropriately maligned all these years?
 
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Btw the true Columbus day isn’t for two days, monday was just the bank holiday, so there is still time to celebrate if you haven’t already.
 
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T2Kplus20 said:
About 95% of humans at that time were despicable, including the indigenous people of North and South America. Should he be celebrated as a great hero? No. Should his journeys be recognized as a true epoch for humanity? Yes.

History needs context and isn't black or white.
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He is obsessed with race in a lot of threads because he apparently married a Black chick. He thinks he’s so unique
 
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NickRU714 said:
If Columbus didn't discover America then is he not responsible for what happened to the Native Americans during colonization?

As said above, it was already well known land?
So then has he been misappropriately maligned all these years?
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Wasn't he working for the Spanish at that time and his expedition led the way for other Spaniards to follow...guys like Cortez and Pizarro and all of their further "discoveries" ?
 
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Kbee3 said:
Wasn't he working for the Spanish at that time and his expedition led the way for other Spaniards to follow...guys like Cortez and Pizarro and all of their further "discoveries" ?
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Did he lead the way?
Can he lead the way if it's already known as others said above?
 
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If he did lead the way, sounds like the others who were first weren't really impactful to history and while not first, Columbus did "discover" the land for Europe.
 
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NickRU714 said:
If he did lead the way, sounds like the others who were first weren't really impactful to history and while not first, Columbus did "discover" the land for Europe.
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Then let the friggin Europeans celebrate Columbus Day.
 
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RUTGERS95 said:
I honestly don't think it's that, it's the whole junetenth bs. it's a ridiculous attempt at changing the history and narrative. It's akin to trying to change AD/BC. "The biggest bigotry we are seeing is from the left and few want to call it out.

I personally think we ought to have a civil rights day/week/month on it's own but juneteeth, black heritage month, women's month etc etc is all bs. does nothing but divide
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Juneteetth is certainly not bs. What did slaves have to celebrate on July 4th 1776? I'll wait. We're going to have a big feast and party to celebrate our victory. Mamie get in there and cook us up something special right now. Yeah it must have been a glorious day for my great, great, great, great grandparents. And what about it is changing history as opposing to spotlighting previously unacknowledged history? Not saying that July 4th should not be celebrated by African Americans in these times. But given the historical context Juneteeth is certainly more pertinent as a celebration of freedom.
 
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