OT: Is this ********** question a matter of Age?

[Bulldog Bruce]

I went to State in the late 70s - early 80s and am 51. I read the posts about the TeaBagger and listened to many talk radio opinions on this issue. I am wondering if it as an age issue on who is more dismissive versus who thinks he deserved that punishment.

I know in my day if someone teabagged me, they would only be drinking instant tea after that, because they would have no tea bags available to them any longer. In no way would I look at it as a "prank".

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

definately... I'm 43, and the cat would have had his *** whipped, as well. However, it never, ever would have been considered a criminal or even civil matter.

Society now has too much (forced) tolerance and has been pussified at the same time.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

If it had happened to me, I'd dedicate my life to making his miserable. So jail time would be a relief for the poor guy.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Well heck, if that rials you up, which it should, what about those Glory Holes?

The world is achangin'.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

no one is arguing the guy probably shouldn't have had his *** kicked. the argument is just that spending tax payer money to put this guy in prison for 2 years (or even a few weeks or the costs of house arrest) is pointless. let him pay a fine, do some community service, and the victim can sue him for damages. i think that's plenty of a deterrent to this guy without costing tax payer $$ and pretty much ruining his life with a prison sentence.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

Pretty much this

The guy should have gotten his *** kicked, plain and simple. Also, if you want to make him do any amount of community serve, pay some fine, whatever, that works for me.

Since he didn't do what he did for sexual gratification, labeling him as a sex offender and making him spend years in jail is moronic.

 

[johnson86-1]

I think the teabagger would have been responsible for the costs of house arrest.

no one is arguing the guy probably shouldn't have had his *** kicked. the argument is just that spending tax payer money to put this guy in prison for 2 years (or even a few weeks or the costs of house arrest) is pointless. let him pay a fine, do some community service, and the victim can sue him for damages. i think that's plenty of a deterrent to this guy without costing tax payer $$ and pretty much ruining his life with a prison sentence.

May not do it this way everywhere, but I think you are charged for monitoring expenses where I live if they put you on house arrest.

 

[patdog]

Most rapes aren't for sexual gratification either. It's about the power and humiliation of their victim for them, not the sex. Which is exactly what it was about for this guy.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

Nah, i think it's just homophobia, which does corrolate with age though. I see it as the same as farting on someone. It's gross, grounds for an ***-kicking, but not criminal. It's just balls, old man.

 

[FreeDawg]

Pat, I agree w/ you most of the time

Most rapes aren't for sexual gratification either. It's about the power and humiliation of their victim for them, not the sex. Which is exactly what it was about for this guy.

But to even put ********** and rape in the same sentence, scope, sphere, or anything else is ridiculous. It is a stupid prank of bad taste, period. To send the guy to prison is about the dumbest thing Ive ever heard and I cant fathom anyone who could agree with that

 

[ckDOG]

I'll try to get this locked...what if the guy were a minority or poor?

First off, pleasure is not a prerequisite per the definition of sexual battery in LA. You can still violate the law regardless of your intent. Also, since the victim was inebriated and couldn't defend himself, you are looking at a lot of minimum jail time (25 years) if you objectively apply the law based on what the law says and what's on tape. Fortunately for the guy that screwed up, intent was taken into consideration and is why he was able to negotiate a lesser charge. He should count his blessings for that because it was an open and shut case if it came to that point.

As a side discussion, do you think as many folks would be rationalizing his intent and writing it off as a prank gone too far if he were a minority or a poor person? Or, do you think folks would be calling for prosecution to the fullest extent of the law if, instead of a guy 10 years displaced from the frat house, was a homeless black man stumbling into Krystal looking to beg for a burger? He could have had the same intent and strange sense of humor as the 'Bama teabagger, but I very seriously doubt there would have been any attention paid to this or compassion showed for him when it was noted that he could be facing 25 in the clink.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

It's also partly Halo's fault i guess. Or any of the FPS games where it became fashionable to 'teabag' other players you just killed. Or you could blame Jackass or any other show that's de-sensationalized gross/cruel/harmful 'pranks'.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

PLease include your age

Please post your age during this. My curiosity was to see if the younger folks thought it was not criminal and the older folks think it is criminal. In my mind it is absolutely criminal.

Intent of the act is really not an issue. Many criminal acts are dumb decisions that turns out bad like drunk driving or assault / manslaughter when getting in a fight.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

It's also partly Halo's fault i guess. Or any of the FPS games where it became fashionable to 'teabag' other players you just killed. Or you could blame Jackass or any other show that's de-sensationalized gross/cruel/harmful 'pranks'.

That's interesting. I have a PS3 so never played Halo and I always thought the Jackass movies were crossing the line.

 

[captain.sixpack]

I think it is just a dumb prank. Would you rather have some one teabag you or gorilla mask you?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7mk16_it-s-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-g_fun

ETA: I'm 29

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

Pat, do you think 2 years in a Louisiana Prison is a fair sentence for what he did? Do you think the 10 years & Predator Status/Felony Status was a reasonable penalty as well...

I know we don't see quite eye to eye on this, but im just curious what you think a "fair" penalty would be... not necessarily what the "law" allows for the charge.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

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[TUSK.sixpack]

I'm with you mostly, Bruce... However, I wouldn't classifying as truly "criminal"... unless, perhaps, the teabagger had elephantitis and his balls crushed the guys head giving him brain damage. I just don't think the act warrants years in prison, felony status, sexual predator status, et al.

I'd opt for a huge fine to the "victim" and some community service and, perhaps, some probation... what you think?

 

[seshomoru]

Not even close to a prank.

If you willingly expose your balls in front of a huge crowd and rub them on an incapacitated persons face, you are a pervert. Wanna do it among drunken friends in private? By all means, rub your little nuts away and fight the good fight afterwards. But to an incapacitated stranger? In public? That's criminal.

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[johnson86-1]

Few people are arguing it's not criminal.

Please post your age during this. My curiosity was to see if the younger folks thought it was not criminal and the older folks think it is criminal. In my mind it is absolutely criminal.

Intent of the act is really not an issue. Many criminal acts are dumb decisions that turns out bad like drunk driving or assault / manslaughter when getting in a fight.

Most people agree that it's a crime, it's just not what sane people want to be classified as a sex crime. Most people want people labeled as sex offenders if they do something that seems to indicate it's likely they will commit a sex crime in the future, like committing a sex crime. If we want to start adding to the list of crimes where where the perpetrator is functionally prevented from holding a decent job or living in a decent neighborhood for the rest of his/her life, there are much better places to start. He should be treated just like jackasses that pick a fight when their drunk. Charge him with assault and battery, give him a short or suspended sentence and probation, subject him to civil liability, and let him get back to his life at some point provided he never does it again.

 

[patdog]

I've said since the plea bargain was announced that it was a fair deal for everyone involved. It's usually a fair deal for everyone involved to plea bargain down to a slightly lesser charge. 10 years and permanent sex offender status is harsh for what he did, but it's what the law calls for for the crime he committed. The sex offender status lists should be used for serious sexual crimes only. This shouldn't be on it. But it is, and so are less serious "crimes" like peeing in public.

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

what ^^^he^^^ said.... well stated, 86! nm

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

So if he did it to a random chick it would be ok?

 

[seshomoru]

Go walk into your nearest Krystal...

Whip out your junk and try to rub it on someone's face.

Then just explain it was a prank. I'm sure everyone would be cool with that. Alcohol and mob mentality doesn't make it lesser of a crime. The state of the victim doesn't either.

 

[johnson86-1]

I'm going to call BS on this one.

Most rapes aren't for sexual gratification either. It's about the power and humiliation of their victim for them, not the sex. Which is exactly what it was about for this guy.

I've heard this said before, and I think it's something only an academic could believe if they considered it for even a second. I'm sure there are some people that are so demented it's more about destroying their victim than sex, but I think for the most part, people rape other people because they want sex. I'm guessing excluding prison rapes, more rapes happen in the drunken push too far scenario than the random, violently rape somebody scenario. I think it's also a clue that you're usually going to find rapists' victims are of the gender they're attracted to. Don't think there are a lot of straight rapists that go around raping dudes because it's all about power and humiliation, and not sex.

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

I think the plea was "fair" in the since he was likely gonna get railroaded at trial. he made the wise decision, for sure!

I had happy hour beers with a DA (in another, non LA city) yesterday, and they thought the whole thing was proposterous sp and wouldn't have pursued it at all.

Bama fans need some SEC officials on the bench down there, dammit!

 

[patdog]

Obviously you know a lot more about the motivations of a rapist than the experts do. Don't know why anybody would bother listening to them when you could set them straight if they'd only listen.

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

I think it's 17d up... however, no where near worthy of what a guilty verdict could have allowed.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

So, drunken bar fight, no serious injuries, = 2 years in jail?

If he'd poured ketchup all over the guy, humiliating him on camera and ruining his clothes, = 2 years in jail?

 

[Big Sheep81]

I'm 53 and I'm split on this..

One part says: Give the guy 30 days in jail in a cell with three large horny prison dudes with tattoos and life sentences. Open the door, let him crawl out and then go on television to apologize to the other guy and then pay $50,000 fine to the victim.

The other part says: Ok, this was a bunch of drunk football fans whose stupidity knows no limits in the presence of too much alcohol. Make a public apology (tv again) and then let a jury decide how much he owes the victim and let him pay it out over 5 years. Include his supporters who were present and did not act to stop it.

But in either case, registration as a sex offender slams shut any job other than fuse checker at a dynamite factory for something he did when drunk that enhanced his stupidity. Whether a guy or a girl, this should have been a misdemeanor, not a felony.

And in either case, the victim should have the option to repay the same thing on him and then kick his stupid ***.........

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

Who said it was ok to do to a dude?

Basically, misdemeanor, not felony.

 

[Buford T. Justice]

I think giving him 10 years and sex offender status would have been too harsh. If I was on the jury, I probably would have given him 80 hours of community service, a $5000 fine, and 30-60 days house arrest.

Having said that, if the victim (LSU guy) killed the Bama guy for the transgression, I would let him walk.

 

[seshomoru]

Huh?

 

[ckDOG]

Aggravated assault in LA gets you no more than 6 months

If your issue is with sexual battery carrying a 5 year minimum term (25 if victim is incapacitated), then maybe your beef is with how strict LA laws are? You should either be fighting to change the laws to be easier on those who commit sexual battery or fight the good fight to create a law that exempts sexual battery when it's part of a practical joke. Go forth and make a difference!

 

[FreeDawg]

Im 28 and I dont think he should go to prison. Horrible judgement, but ruining his life is extreme. I do think your right that there is a difference in the ages. One thing I notice (not just this situation) is that the older crowd always push for the harshest punishments but when you gentlemen were making horrible decisions in the 70's-early 80's there were little repercussion. Ive heard my dad and his buddies tell fraternity glory stories partying and the such... Half of their antics then would land you in prison now and they turned out fine.

The main point of my diatribe is that if your 40-50 yrs old, you were allowed to grow up with some bumps along the way but nothing that would hinder your life but a lot of yall now push for punishments that would have lifelong effects on young people.

 

[muddy]

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Rubbing your genitals on a complete stranger against their will is not a prank. That is sexual assault--end of story.

The plea deal given to the teabagger was more than generous, and he should be thankful for the court's mercy.

As for this BS about not ruining the teabagger's life over a "prank," what about the victim? Although the New Orleans Picayune is not listing his name, a quick Google search will turn up that information along with the accompanying video. All of his friends, family and co-workers (not to mention the entire internet) know that he's the guy that got teabagged, and that information is never going away.

 

[johnson86-1]

What experts?

Obviously you know a lot more about the motivations of a rapist than the experts do. Don't know why anybody would bother listening to them when you could set them straight if they'd only listen.

Just curious. I've heard this several times and have never seen a credible source for it. Again, I'm going to be skeptical if you can't show me some examples of rapists that are not attracted to guys that go around raping guys. If you can't find any examples of that, it seems like sexual gratification just might have something to do with it.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

What about if the guy had woke up, saw the guys junk in his face, and proceeded

to beat up the stupid son of a ***** and the little ****** died right there on the Krystal floor. How much time would he have gotten for that?

Just trying to figure out what would have happened to me.

 

[patdog]

Pretty much all of them. There are 5 different classifications of rape and sexual gratification is only 1 of the 5.

 

[mstateglfr]

Who said it was ok to do to a dude?

Basically, misdemeanor, not felony.

You also said-

Nah, i think it's just homophobia, which does corrolate with age though. I see it as the same as farting on someone. It's gross, grounds for an ***-kicking, but not criminal. It's just balls, old man.





I am shocked that someone who has managed to live long enough to log onto the internet sees farting on someone and tbagging this guy as the same thing.
You need to, in public, unzip your pants, pull your balls out, climb on top of someone, and grind your genitals on their face...in public.

that /= farting on someone. Its not the same thing. Its not in the same arena. Its not even the same sport, its so different.


Its just balls? Really? How the hell does someone actually rationalize something like this?
This weekend when my 6yo and 2yo daughters are at the pumpkin patch and some random sleeze tbags a guy on the wagonride out to the pumpkin patch, i will be sure to let everyone know that its just balls so no big deal.