OT: June 6, 1944

zappaa

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He led the first wave of troop carriers at Omaha beach on DDay 1.
He was in a small specially designed 6 man boat where he manned the twin 50 machine gun providing cover fire. Two men on his boat were seriously injured and he used to show us the small scar on his right hand where he was grazed.
He spoke of being anxious and resolved but not scared, there was an overwhelming feeling of one foot in front of the other, doing your job for the man next to you and fighting for your country.
On Dday 2 he was part of the detail that pulled bloated bodies out of the water and it made him sick….he learned that in comparison to war baseball would be easy.
He was 18.
He came from a place where the standard issue of Navy gear he received the day he arrived at basic training was the most amount of clothes he ever owned at one time
 
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He led the first wave of troop carriers at Omaha beach on DDay 1.
He was in a small specially designed 6 man boat where he manned the twin 50 machine gun providing cover fire. Two men on his boat were seriously injured and he used to show us the small scar on his right hand where he was grazed.
He spoke of being anxious and resolved but not scared, there was an overwhelming feeling of one foot in front of the other, doing your job for the man next to you and fighting for your country.
On Dday 2 he was part of the detail that pulled bloated bodies out of the water and it made him sick….he learned that in comparison to war baseball would be easy.
Thanks @zappaa . My dad was in the Pacific as well as an uncle. But one of my uncles was part of the tank corp that landed on the Normandy beach D-Day +1.
 

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I respond to this post every year just so they are not forgotten.

My grandfather was Fox Company, 506th PIR, 101st AB. He parachuted in around 2am on June 6th. I've read more books than I can count on the 101st AB and specifically 506th PIR.

One of the first people my grandfather encountered on the ground outside of St. Mere Eglise was the famous Bill Guarnere from Easy Company (Band of Brothers).

Must have taken enormous courage unlike anything I could ever imagine.

One of my favorite books:
 

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I respond to this post every year just so they are not forgotten.

My grandfather was Fox Company, 506th PIR, 101st AB. He parachuted in around 2am on June 6th. I've read more books than I can count on the 101st AB and specifically 506th PIR.

One of the first people my grandfather encountered on the ground outside of St. Mere Eglise was the famous Bill Guarnere from Easy Company (Band of Brothers).

Must have taken enormous courage unlike anything I could ever imagine.

One of my favorite books:

That generation were very special people. We could all learn something from their dedication and commitment to a common cause.

Even though we bicker amongst ourselves at times, we are all on the same team.

There were no special groups or factions landing on those beaches. We owe a debt we can never fully repay. Just doing our part for the common good can honor their sacrifice. Do something for others in their memory.
Action not talk.
 

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Amazing stuff and just extreme bravery of all the men and women involved. I wish my Dad had talked more about his time. I would usually only get a glimpse into his experience only when his old friends from the Army would come visit.

My Dad was already inland in what was to become Patton's 3rd Army. I know that Dad spoke of the sky just turning like night from all the planes in the sky.

He did not participate that day but was in the Battle of the Bulge, rode in a half track right behind Patton as they marched toward Berlin only to be so pissed that they were not the one who got the honor of taking Berlin and Hitler, as they were there first and wanted to end the war.
But during his time under Patton, at the age of 19 - 2 purple hearts, a bronze star, MIA for a month and field promoted to Srgt. He left the war with a 2-3 inch piece of shrapnel left in his leg. It was in his upper thigh and very noticeable. I don't know how he managed to do all the active things in life with that in him. But he lived his life with a smile but way too many secrets that he carried inside.
 

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I respond to this post every year just so they are not forgotten.

My grandfather was Fox Company, 506th PIR, 101st AB. He parachuted in around 2am on June 6th. I've read more books than I can count on the 101st AB and specifically 506th PIR.

One of the first people my grandfather encountered on the ground outside of St. Mere Eglise was the famous Bill Guarnere from Easy Company (Band of Brothers).

Must have taken enormous courage unlike anything I could ever imagine.

One of my favorite books:

A couple of years before Bill Guarnere and Babe Hefron passed away I ran into the both of them in the Bourse Building in Philadelphia…

I introduced myself to them, shook their hand….thanked them and brought them a cup of coffee

Men of courage and honor and was proud to have met them both
 

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He led the first wave of troop carriers at Omaha beach on DDay 1.
He was in a small specially designed 6 man boat where he manned the twin 50 machine gun providing cover fire. Two men on his boat were seriously injured and he used to show us the small scar on his right hand where he was grazed.
He spoke of being anxious and resolved but not scared, there was an overwhelming feeling of one foot in front of the other, doing your job for the man next to you and fighting for your country.
On Dday 2 he was part of the detail that pulled bloated bodies out of the water and it made him sick….he learned that in comparison to war baseball would be easy.
He was 18.
He came from a place where the standard issue of Navy gear he received the day he arrived at basic training was the most amount of clothes he ever owned at one time
Obit for a local guy, West Orange and Manasquan, who was there.........


He was also the author of the book "No Surrender: A World War II Memoir".
 
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Many in my family served in WWII from the Marines in the South Pacific to Army and Army Air Corps in Europe and North Africa. I grew up admiring them all for the kind and generous men that they were, never knowing much of their service until after their passing in almost every case. They were humble but heroes nonetheless.
 

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Not wishing to hijack the thread,but I believe that it's important to pose this question:Had D-Day failed to liberate Europe,would FDR or Truman have dropped the H-bomb on Germany's cities?Keep in the mind the German-American percentage of the USA's population in the 40's was fairly substantial.
 

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Not wishing to hijack the thread,but I believe that it's important to pose this question:Had D-Day failed to liberate Europe,would FDR or Truman have dropped the H-bomb on Germany's cities?Keep in the mind the German-American percentage of the USA's population in the 40's was fairly substantial.

Considering the New Mexico test of the bomb happened 2 months after VE Day I'd say it was never considered and yes you are trying to hijack this thread. And I speak as a person of mostly German heritage who has an uncle buried in that cemetery you see in Pvt. Ryan who landed on D +3, was nominated for a CMH (later reduced to a DSC) for some action that could have been a scene in the movie.
 

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Firebombing of Tokyo killed more people (100k) than any other single bombing
Germany was firebombed and that could have continued
It was Soviet Union that sank Germany's boat - wouldn't have needed nuking.
Hitler was obsessed with Stalingrad even though it had no large strategic significance.
Evil people usually fall due to their compulsions.
Japan is now a favorite country of Americans (especially younger ones) and vice versa is true (even though US ambassador is now irritating everyone)

 

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Not to make it about one man, but not enough people know this about Yogi Berra…
 

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D-Day is a day we should thank every solider that participated in that invasion and honor all that died in that undertaking.
We need not do the usual TKR members BS move of hijacking the issue but remain discussing June 6th 1944 .
Some subjects deserve to be treated with the upmost respect, D-Day and the soldiers involved in it deserve that, especially their sons and daughters posting here about the parent involved in the invasion to free Europe

note: don't reply to the hijack part in this message, please just reply to the events of June 6,1944

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT:
A total of 4,414 Allied troops were killed on D-Day itself, including 2,501 Americans. More than 5,000 were wounded. In the ensuing Battle of Normandy, 73,000 Allied forces were killed and 153,000 wounded. The battle — and especially Allied bombings of French villages and cities — killed around 20,000 French civilians.
 

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D-Day is a day we should thank every solider that participated in that invasion and honor all that died in that undertaking.
We need not do the usual TKR members BS move of hijacking the issue but remain discussing June 6th 1944 .
Some subjects deserve to be treated with the upmost respect, D-Day and the soldiers involved in it deserve that, especially their sons and daughters posting here about the parent involved in the invasion to free Europe

note: don't reply to the hijack part in this message, please just reply to the events of June 6,1944

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT:
A total of 4,414 Allied troops were killed on D-Day itself, including 2,501 Americans. More than 5,000 were wounded. In the ensuing Battle of Normandy, 73,000 Allied forces were killed and 153,000 wounded. The battle — and especially Allied bombings of French villages and cities — killed around 20,000 French civilians.
My dad often referred to the invasion as the liberation of Europe
 

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Have any of you who have Father's, Uncles, Mothers, Aunts, Grandparents, etc that were in WWII ever have the chance to watch SPR or BOB's with them and what was their reactions?

I did not get the chance with my Dad and do not believe he would have watched them.
 

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Have any of you who have Father's, Uncles, Mothers, Aunts, Grandparents, etc that were in WWII ever have the chance to watch SPR or BOB's with them and what was their reactions?

I did not get the chance with my Dad and do not believe he would have watched them.
My father was in the Pacific. Unfortunately we lost him a couple of weeks before it aired. He was looking forward to it.
 
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My dad often referred to the invasion as the liberation of Europe

That brings up an interesting story. One of my cousins and spouse went to France for a vacation and toured that cemetery where their uncle is buried. During the tour my cousin made a comment about "the D Day invasion". The tour guide turned, looked him straight in the eye and said "You mean liberation".
 
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That brings up an interesting story. One of my cousins and spouse went to France for a vacation and toured that cemetery where their uncle is buried. During the tour my cousin made a comment about "the D Day invasion". The tour guide turned, looked him straight in the eye and said "You mean liberation".
D-Day: The Day Each Year Europe Celebrates The Beginning of Their Liberation
>The town of Ste. Marie Eglise has a town crest different from the traditional French crests which usually honor some medieval personage or battle. This crest honors an American military unit, the 82nd Airborne<
https://metroairportnews.com/d-day-...celebrates-the-beginning-of-their-liberation/
 

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My father was in the Pacific. Unfortunately we lost him a couple of weeks before it aired. He was looking forward to it.
My father in law was also in the Pacific, as a SeaBee. He lived until 2015, with his final decades in Fredon up in Sussex County. He hated Saving Private Ryan. I have no idea why and didn't think I should ask. I don't think he knew anything about Band of Brothers...
 

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My father in law was also in the Pacific, as a SeaBee. He lived until 2015, with his final decades in Fredon up in Sussex County. He hated Saving Private Ryan. I have no idea why and didn't think I should ask. I don't think he knew anything about Band of Brothers...

My guess is that the whole premise of sending a patrol out on what, D+3 or D+4, to go find a single paratrooper is farfetched. And face it, the opening 25 minutes is what makes the movie memorable.
 
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My guess is that the whole premise of sending a patrol out on what, D+3 or D+4, to go find a single paratrooper is farfetched. And face it, the opening 25 minutes is what makes the movie memorable.
That movie was based on Frederick Niland had gone missing during the Normandy Invasion, and the U.S. Army commissioned him to be rescued and sent home.
Because one of his brothers Edward was shot down in May of 1944 ,in Burma ,reported missing, and was presumed dead
2 other brothers Robert was killed on D-Day and Preston was killed on Omaha Beach.

The saving Private Ryan was based on getting Frederick "Fritz" Niland
home safe and sound after being part of the D-Day invasion that took the lives of 2 of his brothers and getting him home safely was part of the sole survivor policy the us military had in place
 
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Have any of you who have Father's, Uncles, Mothers, Aunts, Grandparents, etc that were in WWII ever have the chance to watch SPR or BOB's with them and what was their reactions?

I did not get the chance with my Dad and do not believe he would have watched them.
My Dad was too young to have participated, but all of my older uncles passed before the movie/show were produced. None of them spoke about the war at all far as I can remember. Seems that most didn't.

Wouldn't even know they had been sailors/soldiers if it weren't for medals and such hanging on the wall.
 

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My mother's oldest brother, an immigrant from Slovakia at age 13, enlisted in the U.S. Army and is buried in France. My Mom was so young when he embarked that she did not remember him. He was my grandfathers first child. My Mom was his 8th, born 20 years later. She was only 2 when he was killed.
 

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My Dad was too young to have participated, but all of my older uncles passed before the movie/show were produced. None of them spoke about the war at all far as I can remember. Seems that most didn't.

Wouldn't even know they had been sailors/soldiers if it weren't for medals and such hanging on the wall.
That is something I regret. My mother passed when I was very young and my Dad remarried. To the worst nightmare of a step mom you could imagine. But he always had his Medals and patches in perfect condition but packed in a box in his nightstand. He also had a helmet and an old rifle he brought home but had its barrel cemented.
When I got a little older and on my own, I asked Dad if he would be ok if I had a display made for him so his grandchildren would be able to appreciate it all. He told me yes but the day I got there to pick the stuff up to have a display made, “stepmom” had hidden everything and refused to allow it to be done.
A couple years later, I asked Dad again, only to find out she pawned it all off.
 

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Not to deviate from D-Day but my dad was a B-29 navigator in the Pacific based on Tinian. He was on many bombing missions and I have lots of photos of his crew, Tinian, bombing photos they were required to take, etc. he kept in touch with his crew over the years and was proud of his service. He didn’t mind talking about it and we had many conversations about the war and his service. I want to applaud you folks who keep WWII, DDay, etc in remembrance. I fear that with history being taught less and less, and participants and their sons/daughters passing, future generations will lose appreciation and understanding of the Greatest Generation.
 
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He led the first wave of troop carriers at Omaha beach on DDay 1.
He was in a small specially designed 6 man boat where he manned the twin 50 machine gun providing cover fire. Two men on his boat were seriously injured and he used to show us the small scar on his right hand where he was grazed.
He spoke of being anxious and resolved but not scared, there was an overwhelming feeling of one foot in front of the other, doing your job for the man next to you and fighting for your country.
On Dday 2 he was part of the detail that pulled bloated bodies out of the water and it made him sick….he learned that in comparison to war baseball would be easy.
He was 18.
He came from a place where the standard issue of Navy gear he received the day he arrived at basic training was the most amount of clothes he ever owned at one time
The greatest generation.
 
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My father was in the Pacific. Unfortunately we lost him a couple of weeks before it aired. He was looking forward to it.
My uncle drove a tank in the pacific theatre. After the war ended he was the driver for the base commander in Okinawa for a year. He did not watch war movies and rarely spoke of what he experienced.
 

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Lost a great Uncle in the battles of Monte Cassino earlier in 1944. Over 55,000 Allied casualties there which preoccupied the Nazi forces leading up to D Day. This is much less talked about but a very important step toward the Allied Victory. Also had a Great Uncle who served in the Pacific and he said those battles were hell.
 

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One of my uncles was in the Army prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor. In fact, he was on course to complete his tour which was just a few weeks away, when the attack on Pearl Harbor occurred. He stayed in the Army, states-side, as a master sergeant training and preparing soldiers to deploy overseas.

Another Uncle was a MP in the Army. He was stationed in England and later deployed to the European Mainland.

Another uncle served in the Army throughout the Pacific. He was in the battle of Okinawa (Ryukyu Islands), Aleutian Islands, Southern Philippines, and Eastern Mandates. Among his awards he was awarded 2 Bronze Stars and a Purple Heart.

Another uncle served in the Army in the European Theater as part of the 66thInfantry Division, 263rd Infantry Regiment. He, as a 19 year old was in the 1944 Christmas Eve Convoy of ships crossing the English Channel. Their destination was Bastogne to be part of the Battle of the Bulge. The Convoy was attacked by a German U-Boat. The largest ship, The Leopaldville, was hit by a torpedo and sunk in the channel. My uncle witnessed this horrific event from his ship, unreal devastating human loss. They were then sent to France where he was part of several battles. As an Army Medic, he was awarded the Bronze Star Medal and Citation for heroism for aiding a wounded comrade under intense enemy machine gun and small arms fire in Brittany France.

Another uncle, who served in the Army in the 747th tank battalion during WWII. He was part of the tank corps that landed on Normandy, Omaha Beach D-Day +1. The unit received 4 battle stars for engagements in Normandy, Northern France, the Rhineland, and Central Europe. The unit received the Criox de Guerre bravery award, along with a palm from the provisional government of the Republic of France for the defeat of the enemy and the liberation of France.

My father, joined the Navy (Seabees) at 17 and served in Guam. He was training for Operation Downfall, the plan for the invasion of Mainland Japan, as part of the first human wave, until the unconditional surrender that ended the war.

Also had 3 great uncles in Poland. Two were killed in battle, one was put in a “work” camp. He survived but it took an immense toll on him physically and mentally.
 

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Not wishing to hijack the thread,but I believe that it's important to pose this question:Had D-Day failed to liberate Europe,would FDR or Truman have dropped the H-bomb on Germany's cities?Keep in the mind the German-American percentage of the USA's population in the 40's was fairly substantial.
The massive firebombing was just as bad.. if not worse. Besides.. we didn't have many atom bombs.
 

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Considering the New Mexico test of the bomb happened 2 months after VE Day I'd say it was never considered and yes you are trying to hijack this thread. And I speak as a person of mostly German heritage who has an uncle buried in that cemetery you see in Pvt. Ryan who landed on D +3, was nominated for a CMH (later reduced to a DSC) for some action that could have been a scene in the movie.
If the Normandy invasion had failed, though, Germany might not have fallen before the first atom bombs were detonated. And the US and UK might've been looking at the possibility of Germany and then the rest of western Europe eventually being overrun solely by the Red Army. Dropping a bomb on Germany might've been seen as a way to ward off the USSR from driving all the way to the English Channel. I'm sure they must've discussed this possibility.
 

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Good untold WWII history from Col. Macgregor on link (17:50 in)

Bits:

USSR still counting WWII dead - last count Macgregor knows was 39,900,000
Roosevelt sent Stalin enormous amount of supplies, weapons etc via lend-lease arrangements
US supplies were hidden from photographers
Stalin never had to pay back for aid and Britain did
Roosevelt thought British empire evil and Stalin good.
German western front had 40 divisions but they weren't full compliment
Soviets took the brunt of casualties and wore Germany down - then allied invasion of France pulled Stalin out of the fire.
US sent Stalin a lot of oil and they were then selling some to Japan

 

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US sent a lot of Stalin
I can see why Roosevelt would never have considered letting Patton dog Stalin