OT: Just watched Everything Everywhere All At Once
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Nope. Totally serious. Too much mumbling, too much Philly. And if the film is meant to be, in any small way, an homage to Chuck Wepner then where it landed is a bit disrespectful, is it not? Why not Bayonne instead of Philly?
The mid to late 70s was sparse, from an artistic perspective. We suffered through bad music (disco), bad television and bad movies. I mean, how horrific was Grease? You had people in their 30s playing high school students (ONJ was 30, Stockard Channing was 34) and they looked it.
beaced saw RAMBO.LIKED IT. Never saw ROCKY. BUT I am thinking about getting a date and finding where it might be playing.
I finished Everything Everywhere... but as others say, not Best Picture material. But most of what gets nominated today are more arthouse pieces... and winners are chosen via favoritism and other criteria including voting campaigns "for your consideration".
Back in the 1970s nominations were all good movies.. Rocky was up against this field...
Rocky
All the Presidents Men
Taxi Driver
Network
Bound for Glory (Woodie Guthrie biopic)
Marathon Man and The Omen were also 1976 pics suitable for possible nomination. Keep in mind the Academy voters were more old-conservative Hollywood at the time otherwise All the Presidents would likely have won. Then maybe Network... but that glorified the TV News business... not a Hollywood favorite in the film vs TV debate.
I expect the vote was split many ways for Rocky to win. That the lead actor wrote the story.. that was a Hollywood Rocky story itself. Much like how Matt Damon and Ben Afleck won for Good Will Hunting.
Back in the 1970s nominations were all good movies.. Rocky was up against this field...
Rocky
All the Presidents Men
Taxi Driver
Network
Bound for Glory (Woodie Guthrie biopic)
Marathon Man and The Omen were also 1976 pics suitable for possible nomination. Keep in mind the Academy voters were more old-conservative Hollywood at the time otherwise All the Presidents would likely have won. Then maybe Network... but that glorified the TV News business... not a Hollywood favorite in the film vs TV debate.
I expect the vote was split many ways for Rocky to win. That the lead actor wrote the story.. that was a Hollywood Rocky story itself. Much like how Matt Damon and Ben Afleck won for Good Will Hunting.
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He beaced.. saw a tee-shirt teh other day about having lived through 6/6/66, 7,7,77,etc etc to 2/22/22.. it occurred to me that you have "batted the cycle" in that regard.. so... cheers!
I remember the Daily News headline the next day after Rocky won
Home movie wins best picture
He found Adrian "too shy and retiring" and Paulie "it's just embarrassing. . .the worse method acting."
More here:
Not Siskel or Ebert, but the guy who posted the review on YouTube, had this to say, which is interesting. Some are going to take exception to the comparison to Raging Bull. Funny think, I tried watching Raging Bull more than once and turned it off every time.
I can't say Raging Bull is "bad," but I disliked it.One reason people like Rocky, and particularly a lot of Rutgers fans, is because the underdog wins?
"filmed in raw gritty style by Bill Butler who also photographed The Conversation (1974) and Jaws (1975). Rocky was one of the very first films to use the Stedi-Cam as we see Rocky run up the stairs of the Philadelphia Museum of Art. The art direction of Rocky reminds me of Taxi Driver which was also released in 1976, both films reek of poverty and capture an era than no longer exists, superb locations in both films. The gritty look, writing by Stallone, performances by all and the iconic music by Bill Conti make me feel that Rocky along with Raging Bull are the finest boxing films ever made."
I was told I would not like Everything... I tried TAR but gave up after 35 minutes.
“Cinderella Man” is the one for that IMO.
Not many left from that era, including my late Dad, but they sure loved James Braddock and his story. Especially when considering the time it took place.
He found Adrian "too shy and retiring" and Paulie "it's just embarrassing. . .the worse method acting."
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Not Siskel or Ebert, but the guy who posted the review on YouTube, had this to say, which is interesting. Some are going to take exception to the comparison to Raging Bull. Funny think, I tried watching Raging Bull more than once and turned it off every time.
One reason people like Rocky, and particularly a lot of Rutgers fans, is because the underdog wins?
Stallone himself spoke about the Raging Bull comparison and he said Bull is about a real fighter while Rocky is a metaphor. That's why Rocky opens (Stallone says) with a shot of Jesus over the ring. Rocky is one of the downtrodden, invisible masses but he has a destiny to accomplish - a higher calling he doesn't even know about.
Along the way he encounters a lot of resistance and hostility. Rocky and the people in his life are all broken and frustrated. Rocky is always being insulted and dismissed. Mick calls him a bum who fights like an ape. A young girl he tries to help gives him the "up-yours" sign. A fellow fighter at Rocky's gym tells him how much he likes Rocky's locker after he got after Mickey who took it away from Rocky.
Even Gazzo's driver hates him but Gazzo tells Rock "Some guys they just hate for no reason." Rocky on the other hand is not like that. He does bad things to survive but its just "work" he needs and his heart isn't in it. He's always trying to do good without thinking about it. He's walking down a street and picks-up a drunk passed out on the sidewalk. Most people wouldn't even notice the guy but Rocky helps without giving thought.
In the end when he survives the fight he doesn't even care. Apollo wins but Rocky takes him the distance for the first time. Rocky wins over himself by doing more then he thought he could - surviving.
I always find the love story and the Pauli stuff a drag but they represent a group of unrealized souls with various torments. The construction of the film makes up for it
This is how you win Oscar for editing - Gazzo spits in a long shot.
Then comes a medium shot with Gazzo wiping his mouth after the spit.
Subtle but very smooth transition - clever - the whole film rolls like that
Had not realized that Gazzo, played by Joe Spinell was in Taxi Driver. Obviously, he played Willi Cicci in the Godfather and Part II. He was in another Stallone movie, Nighthawks. He was friends with Sly Stallone and the godfather of Sage Stallone. He died a weird and tragic death in his apartment in Queens- "he cut himself badly on his glass shower stall door after apparently slipping in the bathtub while showering. Soon afterward he fell asleep on his living room couch instead of calling for help."Stallone himself spoke about the Raging Bull comparison and he said Bull is about a real fighter while Rocky is a metaphor. That's why Rocky opens (Stallone says) with a shot of Jesus over the ring. Rocky is one of the downtrodden, invisible masses but he has a destiny to accomplish - a higher calling he doesn't even know about.
Along the way he encounters a lot of resistance and hostility. Rocky and the people in his life are all broken and frustrated. Rocky is always being insulted and dismissed. Mick calls him a bum who fights like an ape. A young girl he tries to help gives him the "up-yours" sign. A fellow fighter at Rocky's gym tells him how much he likes Rocky's locker after he got after Mickey who took it away from Rocky.
Even Gazzo's driver hates him but Gazzo tells Rock "Some guys they just hate for no reason." Rocky on the other hand is not like that. He does bad things to survive but its just "work" he needs and his heart isn't in it. He's always trying to do good without thinking about it. He's walking down a street and picks-up a drunk passed out on the sidewalk. Most people wouldn't even notice the guy but Rocky helps without giving thought.
In the end when he survives the fight he doesn't even care. Apollo wins but Rocky takes him the distance for the first time. Rocky wins over himself by doing more then he thought he could - surviving.
I always find the love story and the Pauli stuff a drag but they represent a group of unrealized souls with various torments. The construction of the film makes up for it
This is how you win Oscar for editing - Gazzo spits in a long shot.
Then comes a medium shot with Gazzo wiping his mouth after the spit.
Subtle but very smooth transition - clever - the whole film rolls like that
Wow - horrible way to go.
He was a great character in the film and especially in that key scene.
If you had to work for a loan shark Gazzo would do - he always looked out for Rock
Another small detail from the key car scene... Rocky tells Gazzo he only got $130 from a borrower who owed $200. Rocky was supposed to break his thumb but then figured he couldn't work and pay. Rocky tells Gazzo he thinks he'll get the other $30 next week. Gazzo says "Sure Rocky Bob is good for it."
By calling borrower "Bob" and calling him "reliable" Gazzo talks about the guy like they are friends. But when Rocky and Gazzo talk out of the car Gazzo says "How come you didn't break this guy's thumb like I told you." So "Bob" goes from being a real person to "this guy" like he' a piece of meat.
A piece of meat is what Rocky is too. When he goes to the ring for the fight, the back of his robe has an ad for "Shamrock Meats" (where he was punching the beef). Mickey sees the ad and asks Rocky "What do you get out of it?" Rocky says "Pauli get three thousand dollars and I get the robe."
Oh and the drunk Rocky picks off the ground at the pub is Lloyd Kaufman of Troma Films (Toxic Avenger, Class of Nuke 'Em High and other films)
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You guys just made me watch Rocky. Sorry 4real- love ya but u r wrong.
It is a Great movie. Everything from the story and the mix if simple and complex.
The filmography is also insane.
It captures that era perfectly.
Now, I’m stuck watching #2 lol
It is a Great movie. Everything from the story and the mix if simple and complex.
The filmography is also insane.
It captures that era perfectly.
Now, I’m stuck watching #2 lol
I'm just curious, how old are you? When this came out, I was 10 years old and it was awesome. I loved the first four Rockys and will watch them on public TV (even though I own the DVDs). Fighting, underdog Rocky and MIckey. Yeah, the acting was not real good but the storyline made up for it.
Are there any present day movie critics (reliable ones) reviewing movies from 50 years ago? Those dudes had their own TV show and were the authoritarians of the day. But to each their own.
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. It's gonna be very difficult to find it in a theater. BUT (and with all do respect to Beaced), there are these neat things called DVDs and/or a nifty concept called on demand/streaming. And by the way, the date will then need to come to you.
First four are all worth the time spent on the couch. I just watched Rocky IV (for the umpteenth time) the other day and Creed 2 (for the 2nd or 3rd time).
But it will be an endless date to nowhere, which could be good or bad depending on the company. It's not in any theaters I know of.
David Goggins opinion of Apollo Creed’s Knockdown of Rocky Balboa in the 14th Round:
We are about the same age. I remember it when it came out, but I did not come to appreciate it until many years later.
@beaced may have a Betamax player. Can we take up a collection for Rocky on Beta? $45 on E-bay.
I was the same.
Movie was ok to me at the time but nothing I wanted to see twice.
Then I studied some film (I once spent a whole day at Hunter College going through Casablanca scene by scene) and picked-up on some inside baseball stuff.
Stallone wasn't doing Shakespeare obviously but the simple dialogue doesn't mean he acted bad. Stallone is playing a simple character like Forrest Gump. A lot of his acting is how he walks, looks, uses props -and with a simple economy most of the time . Stallone had the perfect looks for Rocky - like Peter Lorre had looks for his roles. He does a lot with his expressions.
Michelangelo said that what makes a work of art great isn't what you put into it but what you leave out. In clip below Michael Caine explains why actors shouldn't blink in some scenes
I liked Banshees of Inisherin. Interesting and surprising outcomes when a long term relationship ends.
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My wife and I watched "Everything Everywhere" and while we liked it, couldn't believe it was Best Picture material. I liked Banshees better and that was closer to Best Picture.
IMO, Best Picture for any given year should be something unforgettable, but some years are slower than others, and Hollywood now has a lot of criteria that could remove the actual best picture from consideration.
As far as Rocky and Rambo are concerned, the first movies of both series were great. Rocky II wasn't bad as sequels go, but they should have stopped there. The Rambo series went over the top really quickly, but the first movie was a decent story and plausible. Good entertainment in First Blood, but not best picture material. Rocky was.
IMO, Best Picture for any given year should be something unforgettable, but some years are slower than others, and Hollywood now has a lot of criteria that could remove the actual best picture from consideration.
As far as Rocky and Rambo are concerned, the first movies of both series were great. Rocky II wasn't bad as sequels go, but they should have stopped there. The Rambo series went over the top really quickly, but the first movie was a decent story and plausible. Good entertainment in First Blood, but not best picture material. Rocky was.
Based on all the rave reviews, the last two movies my wife and I watched were Everything Everywhere and Banshees of Inisherin. Both were such a struggle to get through. We hated both. At least with EE, I can understand the appeal to many, just not my cup of tea. Bashees was just boring and weird.
I have not been out to the movies in a very long time.GIVE ME A GOOD GARY COOPER PIC and I will be a happy camper.
there are still people out there that thought Wepner knocked Ali down, I guess Stallone might have thought so for a time..... Wepner stepped on Ali's foot as Ali was moving back
Enjoyed the Caine video
I also like the part where he showed the difference when he would change which eye he was looking at
Very true. My wife and I loved it, but have had friends who hated it. IMO, the "battles" in various versions of the past and future become a bit monotonous, but they are incredibly well done, visually and sonically (and also why it's way better to see in the theater). But at it's heart, it's a great story about family and relationships and focusing on what's really important, not the regret for things that one can't change anyway.
From this post, and others above, it sounds like you need to like weird movies to like it.
It was in and out of our local theater pretty quickly. I feel like I need to track it down and go see it now.
Really? I loved Rocky, but thought the rest of the series mostly sucked.