Because the left hates him, this will get trashed. I feel this breakthrough holds so much hope for so many with obvious conditions. How long before this can reroute information to a spinal cord injury? https://www.the-sun.com/tech/10229821/elon-musk-brain-microchip-neuralink-first-human-test-subject/
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I could care less about Musk either way but with your starting comments I can say with out a doubt this doesn't belong on the Football Board!
I think it’s hilarious how so many mindless people, from the right and left, form love or hate for public figures based on epically moronic populist narratives. Where the narratives are built from cherry-picked statements or partial truths.
But… but… but I can find some quotes that prove ____________________ (any public figure) is a darling of the ______________________ (any ideology)!
But… but… but I can find some quotes that prove ____________________ (any public figure) is a darling of the ______________________ (any ideology)!
This would merit some serious discussion. "Human cyborg" vs. Eric LeGrand walking out to the 50 to participate in the coin toss and then walking back to the sideline.
I read an article last year that pretty much said the technology Musk is using has been around since the late 80s.
ETA I tried looking for the article but couldn’t find it. I did find that the idea and technology started in the 90s. The stuff they demonstrated in 2021 was already done in 2002. Obviously Musk is very good at making technology better. I’ll wait for the experts analysis.
ETA I tried looking for the article but couldn’t find it. I did find that the idea and technology started in the 90s. The stuff they demonstrated in 2021 was already done in 2002. Obviously Musk is very good at making technology better. I’ll wait for the experts analysis.
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Exactly why I think this holds out hope for all the Eric LeGrand's of the world. Why it deserves to be on this football board!
This one says it’s decade old. I’ll try to find the one I read.
I agree, it would. Who among us wouldn't be overjoyed to see Eric or others in his condition up and walking again?
While stuff like this can be exciting sounding, the devil is in the details. And that article doesn't provide much detail or a road-map to learning the necessary details to gain any real understanding of the technology. Like with commitments by recruits in sports, I'll wait until I see how things work out before getting excited.
I hope they aren't being cruel to animals with this research work. I don't object to using animals or humans in testing. But I would object to doing so in ways that don't protect the test subjects (human or otherwise) from being effectively tortured. And, according to the article, there are questions along those lines.
Musk's assurances on the subject are meaningless (as would be the assurances from anybody within or funding the company). Some level of external oversight would be appropriate for something like this, IMO.
He’s done very well taking older technology and moving it forward with cars and rockets. Hopefully he can do the same here.
Not good for humanity because it will be used by bad actors eventually
I hope it works. There are always ethical committees to deal with the ramifications of medical treatments, so I'm not especially concerned with problems.
Everything is eventually used by bad actors. Religion, narcotic medicines, the internet, nuclear physics, guns, etc.
The trick is to not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
It could have good uses.
It could have bad uses
Seeing as how the sociopaths are way out in front of the normies its no surprise the WEF has been promoting "brain transparency" so that peoples thoughts and feelings are observable.
This is part of the AI con and the new chains that are "all for you."
It could have bad uses
Seeing as how the sociopaths are way out in front of the normies its no surprise the WEF has been promoting "brain transparency" so that peoples thoughts and feelings are observable.
This is part of the AI con and the new chains that are "all for you."
A world in which your boss spies on your brainwaves? That future is near
Davos AM23 - Ready for Brain Transparency? - English
My concern stems from Musk's demonstrated willingness to mislead on a grand scale combined with his enormous wealth. It's tough to impose ethics upon an individual of effectively unlimited means, no matter how many or how dedicated the committees charged with doing so.
So additional oversight is required, IMO. Although I don't really have any great ideas as to how to go about accomplishing that additional independent oversight exactly. Lots of checks and balances I suppose.
This.
Musk enabling Putin is a disgrace and the majority of people despise him.
F him
Your incredibly ignorant take could be said of any new technology.
I wonder if the families of loved ones with brain and spinal injuries share your opinion.
I can't say for sure. But medical research is very tightly regulated, too tightly even. Years ago I know there was an effort to change the process for drugs that might help dying people, since the idea of the FDA preventing people from being harmed is kind of silly when people are going to die anyway and only an experimental treatment might save them. I don't think the FDA can just be held off indefinitely like it's a lawsuit. They shut you down.
Incredibly ignorant describes everything that one posts. He can always be ignored.
Why start the post with a confrontational, and probably untrue, statement? Is that the driving force of all your thoughts?
That's why this board sometimes sucks.
That part of your post I agree with. The rest is just a wee bit too broadly paranoid for me (and I'm a fan of appropriate and tightly-focused paranoia when it comes to things like security and defense).
Anyway, it's an excellent point that sociopathic personalities tend to get ahead of non-sociopathic personalities. That's a critically important observation that, sadly, it seems most people fail to make. Or else they make the observation but fail to consider the ramifications.
Ethics slows down ethical people. We must pass on opportunities that are unethical or immoral. So we're bound to fall behind sociopaths who are not slowed by ethics, at least not directly. Whereas sociopaths are totally free to leverage any opportunity that benefits them no matter how unethical or immoral. So they have far more opportunities than non-sociopaths.
Also, sociopathic personality disorders correlate very strongly with magnetic personalities. Which is how we so often wind up with sociopaths in leadership positions. Show me someone with a cult following, and, way more often than not, I can show you a sociopathic leader.
Like the line in Enemy of the State, who's watching the watchers? It's a problem, but it's a better problem than we'd have if we didn't have any watchers.
Life is complicated and hard. All attempts to make it simple and easy fail, one way or another.
I find that most people who associate strongly with the left or right, seem to be easily misled. They see everything through a political lens and get worked up very easily.
Just what the Globalists and Uniparty wants
Bidunce has been a greater threat to Americans than putin or any foreign leader the last few years.
You’re too programmed and religiously devoted to your PARTY to notice.
Yeah, sorta sets the table for a fight. As someone who doesn’t care for Musk’s politics but works in the healthcare field, this could be really promising and exciting. Need to learn more though.
Not probably untrue. Obviously and unarguably untrue. Also entirely unprovable.
Neither term, "the left" nor "the right", denotes a group of individuals who all think in exactly the same way about everything. Which means by definition that all statements that attempt to broadly stereotype something across either "the left" or "the right" are quite obviously untrue (and unprovable).
Given that, such broadly stereotyping statements are virtually always epically moronic. Not saying the people making them are moronic, although some certainly are. Just saying, the only thing anybody ever actually accomplishes with such broad stereotyping is the internet equivalent of holding up a sign that says "help me, I'm either dumb or having a brain fart right now". Meanwhile, they think they've said something smart.
If someone finds themselves saying such stuff, they should take a break from their echo-chamber material and work to deprogram themselves. They won't. But they really should.
key words: "Need to learn more".
Forgetting political agenda when it comes to Elon, what matters is if it can help those that are paralyzed and have the body fight off diseases .
On the minus side we must worry if this can be used to control people and have them do others bidding that they would have refused to so without the chip planted in them.
So the need to learn more is great advice
What in the world are you talking about - Misleading on a grand scale?? Like him or not the guy is a national treasure. But you have to keep following the one and only true narrative.
Yes take politics out of it it could have been a serious discussion. As @mdk01 said the possibility to see LeGrand stand up and walk off MetLife turf was my first thought too. Derailed from the beginning.
No human being is a national treasure. Cult much?
And, while I hesitate to ask because I know your answer is going to even more nutty than that last one, to which narrative are you referring?
That part of your post I agree with. The rest is just a wee bit too broadly paranoid for me (and I'm a fan of appropriate and tightly-focused paranoia when it comes to things like security and defense).
Anyway, it's an excellent point that sociopathic personalities tend to get ahead of non-sociopathic personalities. That's a critically important observation that, sadly, it seems most people fail to make. Or else they make the observation but fail to consider the ramifications...
Also, sociopathic personality disorders correlate very strongly with magnetic personalities. Which is how we so often wind up with sociopaths in leadership positions. Show me someone with a cult following, and, way more often than not, I can show you a sociopathic leader.
The education system in US had some roots in Prussian military training - authoritarian.
Factories also wanted pre-fabbed drones for workers.
As a result US people are very expert prone.
If an egg-head from MIT says cow toots are destroying the earth there is a sizable population of suggestible people who will run with that.
A lopsided intellect also makes people more suggestible.
Knowledge is like an elixir for the ego - some people become very aggrandized in their own mind.
Abstract ideas can seem more real than reality
People think they are having thoughts but thoughts are having them.
Hitler drove a nation crazy with appeals to resentment and contrived superiority using "science."
People bought into the fab and lost track track or reality as well as their humanity.
We have the same thing going on now with a maniacal tech cohort with super-inflated egos
Add to that the political and economic pod people and a foul brew is concocting.
Lunatics are talking about nukes and having 3-4 wars going at once (CCP's stated goal for US).
Unfortunately the understanding of human character, moral toxins and psychological decay is not understood the way it was in the past - up now means down and vices versa. The bad guys/gals understand manipulation very well because of totalitarian "study" and practice.
We are doing the 30s/40s all over again - but worse
Churchill:
"The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be freed and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science."
"Perverted science" is the road we are on (throw in history, economics and the rest)
Why this thread isn't on the CE board, after this aluminum foil hat post, is puzzling for sure!
Bedeviled fool who continues to drink the Trumpanzee kool-aid.
Keep supporting the most corrupt President in US History. Make sure you continue to donate so all the money can go to his Legal bills. ( any Lawyer who actually gets paid is lucky). The Orange man will do time for his crimes.