OT: NY Mets 2025 Season Thread
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That was just something amazing. This kid seems to have an “IT”
mans damn- our offense is running on all cylinders at this point. Gave the bullpen a HUGE break too.
F the Phil’s
mans damn- our offense is running on all cylinders at this point. Gave the bullpen a HUGE break too.
F the Phil’s
Was Gelbs' post game interview comment correct? First Mets rookie pitcher to start his career 3-0?
OK, and if I said rookie "starting" pitcher to start his career 3-0, the statement would be correct?
Or has there been a rookie Mets pitcher who went 3-0 in pitching appearances that did not include starts?
No, your statement would probably not be correct.
There have probably been Met starters who have started their career 3-0, but have had no-decisions interspersed. McLean won his first three starts.
Couldn't swear to that, but I assume it is true, since Gelbs specified "first three starts".
Ladies and gentlemen, Nolan Mclean!!!
First Mets starter to win his first 3 major league starts yes.
First Mets starter to win his first 3 major league starts yes.
That's quite an accomplishment then. Thanks for clarifying.
I tried getting this from Grok, and Grok had not yet logged McLean's third win. But Grok said Dwight Gooden won his first 3 games in 1984. This is not true:
Dwight Gooden 1984 Game by Game Pitching Logs | Baseball Almanac
Dwight Gooden 1984 Game by Game Pitching Logs on Baseball Almanac
www.baseball-almanac.com
Grok cited Ron Darling 1983, but no 3 wins.
However, Grok said Jerry Koosman in 1968, and he went 4-0 in his first 4 starts:
Jerry Koosman 1968 Game by Game Pitching Logs | Baseball Almanac
Jerry Koosman 1968 Game by Game Pitching Logs on Baseball Almanac
www.baseball-almanac.com
Baseball Almanac says Jerry Koosman went 4-0 in 1968, his rookie season:
| 04-11-1968 * | at Dodgers | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 9.0 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 04-17-1968 * | vs Giants | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 9.0 | 10 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 04-23-1968 * | vs Astros | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1.00 | 9.0 | 11 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 04-28-1968 * | at Reds | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3.52 | 7.2 | 3 | 8 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| April 1968 Totals | W | L | Sv | ERA | IP | SO | H | ER | R | HR | BB | IBB | WP | HBP | BK | |
| 4 | 0 | 0 | 1.04 | 34.2 | 27 | 23 | 4 | 5 | 1 | 9 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
Baseball Almanac also says that Jerry Koosman began his Met career in 1967. He came up in September, and retained his rookie status.
Koosman came up in 1967 and went 0-2 in 9 starts. The Mets were 0-9 in those starts.
According to MLB, 1967 did not qualify as his rookie season? In 1967 he had 22.1 Innings pitched.
"A player shall be considered a rookie unless he has exceeded any of the following thresholds in a previous season (or seasons):
• 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues."
Jerry Koosman 1967 Game by Game Pitching Logs | Baseball Almanac
Jerry Koosman 1967 Game by Game Pitching Logs on Baseball Almanac
www.baseball-almanac.com
Sorry for being pedantic, and not detracting from McLean's phenomenal start, but I was a bit incredulous with what Gelbs said, but maybe he was right?
Were the "rookie" rules in effect in 1968?
So Koosman's 1967 season does not count against him because 1968 was his rookie season?
Gelbs was 100% right. The Mets had it up on the scoreboard as well.According to MLB, 1967 did not qualify as his rookie season? In 1967 he had 22.1 Innings pitched.
"A player shall be considered a rookie unless he has exceeded any of the following thresholds in a previous season (or seasons):
• 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues."
Jerry Koosman 1967 Game by Game Pitching Logs | Baseball Almanac
Jerry Koosman 1967 Game by Game Pitching Logs on Baseball Almanacwww.baseball-almanac.com
Sorry for being pedantic, and not detracting from McLean's phenomenal start, but I was a bit incredulous with what Gelbs said, but maybe he was right?
You're considered a rookie until you pass that threshold. As Koosman's first two starts were 0-2 he was automatically out for this stat after he lost his first game as a SP.
1968 was Koosman's rookie season. He finished second in ROY voting that year, behind Johnny Bench. But for purposes of the discussion that is irrelevant. Koosman did not win his first three career starts, which occurred in 1967.According to MLB, 1967 did not qualify as his rookie season? In 1967 he had 22.1 Innings pitched.
"A player shall be considered a rookie unless he has exceeded any of the following thresholds in a previous season (or seasons):
• 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues."
Jerry Koosman 1967 Game by Game Pitching Logs | Baseball Almanac
Jerry Koosman 1967 Game by Game Pitching Logs on Baseball Almanacwww.baseball-almanac.com
Sorry for being pedantic, and not detracting from McLean's phenomenal start, but I was a bit incredulous with what Gelbs said, but maybe he was right?
Were the "rookie" rules in effect in 1968?
So Koosman's 1967 season does not count against him because 1968 was his rookie season?
Gelbs said that McLean was the first Met pitcher to win his first three starts. He said nothing about rookie status.
Thanks to both of you. As I said above, stellar, fantastic, terrific start for McLean!!!
The activity in this thread is amazing. For the love of the game, this fanbase rocks. That’s Yankees-Twins level domination. 
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August 27 Mets Farm Report (Top 30 Prospects per MLB Pipeline)
AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)
Dom Hamel RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
Kevin Parada C (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Brendan Girton RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Saul Garcia RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Colin Houck INF (High A Brooklyn) - 1/3, 2 R, RBI, BB, K, SB(3), .211/.596
Marco Vargas INF (High A Brooklyn) - 1/5, R, 2 K, 2 SB(37), .246/.636
Ronald Hernandez C (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
John Bay OF (High A Brooklyn) - 1/2, HR(1), R, 3 RBI, 2 BB, K, .400/1.625
Joel Diaz RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Noah Hall RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Franklin Gomez LHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Jeremy Rodriguez SS (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
Jose Chirinos RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
Joel Lara RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
Daviel Hurtado LHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)
- Carson Benge OF (AAA Syracuse) - 1/4, R, .250/.618
- Jett Williams SS/OF (AAA Syracuse) - 0/4, K, .190/.552
- Nolan McLean RHP (MLB NY Mets) - 8.0 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 6K, 0 HR, 0.89, W(3-0)
- Jonah Tong RHP (MLB NY Mets) - DNP
- Brandon Sproat RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
- Jacob Reimer 3B (AA Binghamton) - 2/4, HR(9), 2B(10), 2 R, 2 RBI, K, .282/.893
- A.J. Ewing OF/2B (AA Binghamton) - 2/4, R, K, SB(8), .371/.893
- Ryan Clifford 1B/OF (AAA Syracuse) - 1/3, 2B(1), BB, K, .275/.833
- Mitch Voit 2B (Low A St. Lucie) - 0/3, BB, K, .186/.502
- Elian Pena SS (Rookie DSL Mets Orange) - Season Complete
- Will Watson RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
- Eli Serrano OF (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
- Jack Wenninger RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
- Jonathan Santucci LHP (AA Binghamton) - 4.1 IP, 6 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 7 K, 0 HR, 3.00
- Chris Suero C/1B/OF (AA Binghamton) - 0/2, R, BB, 2 K, .240/.745
- Nick Morabito OF (AA Binghamton) - DNP
- Jonathan Pintaro RHP (AAA Syracuse) - 0.1 IP, 1 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 4 BB, 1 K, 0 HR, 5.55
- Antonio Jimenez SS (Low A St. Lucie) - 1/4, K, .246/.602
- Daiverson Gutierrez C (Low A St. Lucie) - 0/3, 2 K, .237/.668
- Dylan Ross RHP (AAA Syracuse) - 2.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 0 K, 0 HR, 2.28
- Boston Baro INF (High A Brooklyn) - 3/5, 2 R, RBI, K, 2 SB(28), .224/.603
- Ryan Lambert RHP (AA Binghamton) - 1.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 0 HR, 1.96
- Zach Thornton LHP (AA Binghamton) - Injured; Out for Season
- Yovanny Rodriguez C (Rookie DSL Mets Orange) - Season Complete
- R.J. Gordon RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
- Douglas Orellana RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
- Peter Kussow RHP (Rookie FCL Mets) - Season Complete
- Edward Lantigua OF (Rookie FCL Mets) - Season Complete
- Trey Snyder SS/3B (Low A St. Lucie) - 0/3, .225/.635
- Camden Lohman RHP (Rookie FCL Mets) - Season Complete
Dom Hamel RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
Kevin Parada C (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Brendan Girton RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Saul Garcia RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
Colin Houck INF (High A Brooklyn) - 1/3, 2 R, RBI, BB, K, SB(3), .211/.596
Marco Vargas INF (High A Brooklyn) - 1/5, R, 2 K, 2 SB(37), .246/.636
Ronald Hernandez C (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
John Bay OF (High A Brooklyn) - 1/2, HR(1), R, 3 RBI, 2 BB, K, .400/1.625
Joel Diaz RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Noah Hall RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Franklin Gomez LHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
Jeremy Rodriguez SS (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
Jose Chirinos RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
Joel Lara RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
Daviel Hurtado LHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
What is Marte’s contract status for next year?
it’s funny, starting the year, I don’t think a single fan would have been upset to trade both of them. But damn, both guys have been super solid.
And if Baty/Vientos keep this up- outside of signing Pete, I would love to go into next year with our core as it is.
it’s funny, starting the year, I don’t think a single fan would have been upset to trade both of them. But damn, both guys have been super solid.
And if Baty/Vientos keep this up- outside of signing Pete, I would love to go into next year with our core as it is.
Got it- if a FA- I may offer him a 1 year deal, nothing more. But man, he has been very good once he got healthy. I’m not sure there will be many guys that will be short term, lower pay that would be better. He isn’t going to be 8 figures
up with Alvarez - good griefMet's looked a little like they took a breath after they swept the Phils- they don't have the luxury to do that.
BTW- Lindor with 24/25 and Soto with 32/22 have a fighters chance to be the only teammates to ever have a 30/30 season in the same year.
BTW- Lindor with 24/25 and Soto with 32/22 have a fighters chance to be the only teammates to ever have a 30/30 season in the same year.
2-3 days or 2-3 weeks?
Shame as we need Alvarez !
Would be tough to go deep in playoffs with Torrens / Senger
A big if...but IF Baty/Vientos/McNeil/Marte keep hitting, we can afford to have the one spot in the lineup that isn't so good, as long as they play defense like Torrens can. Our playoffs will most likely all depend on our pitching staff. Would be great if Tong can start off like McLean has. It may be hard to duplicate but if he is even close to the other kid...
Really need Manaea to get his groove on though. Would love to have the ability to give Senga and Holmes more rest.