OT: NYC tolls
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When toll lanes go in traffic builds and backs up on the free lanes, pushing drivers who want to get where they are going into the toll lanes.
And once you install tolls the trend is always to expand them.
Tolls are a regressive tax. The wealthy may sometimes ***** and complain about them, but they know that it’s cheaper for them than having higher income tax rates to pay for the roadways.
Never happen. Citizens are actually engaged here & don’t put up with money grabs and corruption like they do in NJ. When I’m forced to pay a toll I’ll let u know but I got the feeling RU will win 9 games in a season b4 that happens
RU winning 9 games would be a dream. But in the meanwhile, I'll just bump the recent AC is a Dump thread and pretend this season isn't going to be another train wreck.
I'm telling you what I know as someone who has worked in the industry, worked with both NYSDOT and the MTA and was on the ITS steering committee that authored the first proposal for congestion pricing in NYC in 2010.
Yes, it will generate revenue - duh. So yes, that revenue will be subject to various proposals as to how to spend it.
This does not change one simple fact - congestion pricing is implemented to reduce volume. It's why they call it "congestion pricing".
This is not debatable and has nothing to do with which side of the aisle one's political leanings happen to fall. I would point out that in 2010 the mayor of NYC was Mike Bloomberg, who ran as a Republican.
I was in midtown all day today. It's no dirtier than it's ever been (and still better than in the 70s & 80s) and I smelled weed exactly twice, which isn't an upward departure from any previous point in time.
The profusion of illegal weed stores is puzzling, though. I'm not really sure I understand why Adams lets them proliferate, so. Seems to me that closing them down would be a relatively easy thing to do.
IDK, maybe it was the times we were there and the exact locations. November, Times Square on a Friday night, and a few weekends ago, Saturday night, walked through Times Square. Smelled it a lot more than twice. What was more bothersome is we were eating outside on west 55th or 56th street in a nice area, and we had to ask to move, because we caught whiffs at least twice in the first 10 minutes of our being seated.
Yeah, I notice weed stores, and many people selling what I presume was weed on blankets on the street. While not as bad as when I worked in the city in the early 1990s when Times Square still had peep shows and hookers roamed the streets, in my own opinion, it was feeling more like the early 1990s than when Guiliani and then Bloomberg were in charge.
Oh God when we went to the MSU - RU hoops game. The entire train in both directions plus everywhere we went in NYC reeked of Pot.
Maybe it will soon be like to good old days of Death Wish era.
Those people no doubt spend tons of money on Long Island and have no other way to get around.
Oh well. Its about reducing congestion, which is bad for the environment and public health, remember?
Probably as done in Central London - with a large number of cameras/license plate readers.
On a per-miles - perhaps. But looks who is #1 on tolled amount:
But you need alternatives. It's easy to get into NYC without a car. Not so easy to go around Long Island.
And keep their dollars with them.They can stay home...they're the Long Island equivalent of Bennys
You really paid less money. The Goethals bridge toll is paid entering Staten Island, not leaving. That applies to all the inbound bridges, Outerbridge, Goethals, Bayonne and GWB.
My point is that occupancy in 2023 is rapidly increasing.
The MTA chief said today that subway revenue is 70-75% of pre Pandemic level. If not for fare evasion, it would be 80%.
There are plenty of altered license plates were I live. My neighbor's is so scratched up you can hardly make out any number/letter. She also has a registration sticker that expired in Nov 2022.
I see cars with license plate from 2 different states on front and back. Also, you would think you are in Pennsylvania because there are so many of those plates around.
Had my roof replaced this weekend and the workers truck had Virginia plates.
I have seen business pickup trucks with local addresses on their doors and license plates from Georgia.
nyc should pay people to enter
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Hmmm. Responding to yourself. Forget to switch to your troll ID again?
As I said read the Stern report -'so far in 2023 the numbers returning to offices has not improved and not expected to based on Ceo surveys.
No no no!
It's to protect the environment. Didn't you get the memo?
That man behind the curtain is not stealing. Pay him no mind.
Irrelevant--2010 was a lifetime ago--the now understood damage the pandemic shutdowns did to do business screams for common sense scrutiny--which many believe those who dream up these ideas lack.I'll say it again if you want to have more people abandon NYC by working at home put in this congestion pricing nonesense. And yes it has all to do with side of the aisle the politicians and unelected bureaucrats sit.
NYC can send a limo to me and many others to escort us in.
We're never going back to the office. It's time to move past it.
I don't love the congestion pricing idea but it's irrelevant.
Well, then I guess we'll have to take your word for it, since you've never worked in the transportation industry and have never interacted with government agencies for the purpose of developing and implementing policy. Naturally, given all that, you're the expert here.
Someone has to lie about crime. And he's had a tough week.
New Jersey should retaliate by placing a tax on out-of-state residents that access the local beaches (or any of the facilities at Newark airport).
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everyone is an expert in their own mind. which is fine if they would keep it to themselves.
Certain towns do that “tax” thing already when it comes to access of certain facilities to outsiders.
Same around where I live. The number of PA plates in the city is astounding and I'm not sure how to explain that. Same with temporary plates. I'll go out on a limb here and guess that the vast majority are fake. I read somewhere the NYPD is starting to enforce that - hope it's true.
You know nothing about what I did and who I consulted. And what was formulated in 2010 is irrelevant and current conditions need to be considered . I t doesn't take a genius to figure that out but does take opionated, agenda driven dolts to ignore.
If you have relevant experience in these matters, by all means please share.
I suspect that you don't because the claim that a policy formulated 12 years ago is "irrelevant" is just plain stupid, dude. The proper implementation of sound policy is enduring. It endures until something more effective comes along.
One of the people I worked closely with (he was an "Emeritus VP" with the company I worked for) was Larry Yermack. He's known in the transportation industry as "The father of EZ-Pass". He literally invented the architecture. EZ-Pass is more than 20 years old. Is it irrelevant?
No. It is not. EZ-Pass is very much relevant, until such time that it is replaced by tagless tolling. Many jurisdictions have already rolled that out, but it's not universal. And the technology and architecture behind tagless tolling was developed between '09 and '12.
Do you use Google Maps, Apple Maps or Waze to navigate and warn you of traffic hazards and obstructions? Do you know how all that data gets into the apps? Do you know how those green, yellow and red lines appear? Do you know what the base layer technology is behind that? Do you know when it was developed? I do - because I was in the room. And because all that tech was build on an architecture that I personally developed in response to a NYSDOT RFP for customs entry waiting times in 2009. I assure you, it's all very much relevant.
Congestion pricing is no different. The idea has ALWAYS been to use it to reduce / minimize surface street traffic in congested inner cities. The implementation has lagged the concept because - particularly in NYC - the duplication of technology required due to agency fiefdoms has always set everyone's teeth on edge. The decade + delay behind serious implementation conversations is due to a very concrete limitation. If you want to know why, talk to NYFukkinPD.