OT: Outfoxed - Rupert Murdoch

[tm_nj]

Someone recently sent me a link to this old video. I never saw it before and it is interesting.

Note: I am an Independent and I choose my positions "a la carte" so I end up supporting issues on both political sides. I am generally most concerned with Media thought control through appearing to give news while just caring about ratings. That is what caught my eye with this video. I think Fox happens to be the best at this technique.

Outfoxed


This post was edited on 2/28 7:13 PM by tm_nj

 

[Piscataway_rivals]

You should really look into who you get behind. This guy is an Marxist. Please read his quotes I linked to . Yes it is a right wing publication - but these are his words with sources.

I have no problem with Foxnews. They are just the new kids on the block kicking ***. For 2 decades the left fed this country its 'version' of the news thanks to CNN and for even longer via The Gray Lady. No one complains when its their team doing the *** kicking.

Bob McChesney - Marxist

 

[tm_nj]

I am not in support of the Producer and I don't care about his overall views. I am merely acknowledging what I have long believed. The Media is a business and just appears to be objective to the public, which I consider as dishonest behavior.

The situation behind MSNBC is no different. These networks are merely brands that are used to make money and don't care about true journalism or facts.

 

[Piscataway_rivals]

When you use a marxist to push your views it leads to a certain amount of suspition as to what your actual motives are.

Do you think the government should regulate the news?

 

[tm_nj]

No I don't think the government should regulate the news.

 

[LC-88]

The government, and the MSM work for the same masters. Fox, MSNBC, Republican, democrat...going down the same road in the same direction, just in a different lane.

 

[Piscataway_rivals]

Neither do I. There is no such thing as a non-biased news source. Never has been, never will be.

 

[Doctor Worm]

I think this thread shows the difference between the left and the right with regard to the media.

Question - why is Fox consistently killing MSNBC, even in deep blue markets?

IMO, and I have seen polls which bear this out, the left and the right have deeply divided views as to the integrity of the media. Liberals and moderates tend to believe that the "mainstream media" (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN) tries to be fair and generally succeed. Libs tune into MSNBC when they want advocacy journalism. But they realize that MSNBC is not a reliable news source. For the news, they go elsewhere.

Righties, on the other hand, have an ingrained distrust of the mainstream media. Fox is their home for both news and advocacy. Problem is, since its stock in trade is advocacy, Fox is not a good place to go for news, no more than MSNBC is.

 

[lighty]

The right has a distrust of the media because that's what they hear every day on talk radio and cable TV -- ironically... The media.

For whatever reason guys like Rush and Hannity get to blast the media at every turn with followers that don't consider them the media. I've never understood that.

 

[mildone_rivals]

I mostly stopped watching any of the news networks years ago. They've all turned into a sort of hybrid blend of political propagandists and reality TV actors. It's highly sophisticated idea marketing.

I can remember a time when skepticism and critical thought were commonly used to evaluate just about everything. Nowadays, they are only used to oppose the "opposition's" ideas. Nobody wants to point their skepticism or critical thought at their own ideas.

We've been brilliantly brainwashed into arguing ever more polarizing absolutist dogma (almost entirely comprised of utterly unprovable ********) from one of two camps. And both sides are driven by powerful special interests that couldn't care less what's actually good for the country.

It's pretty depressing.


This post was edited on 2/28 9:12 PM by mildone

 

[tm_nj]

I have sadly even seen that the History channel has shows about aliens from space helping to build pyramids, etc. A channel like that gives legitimacy to ideas regarding aliens to people who don't have critical thinking skills. Many news channels are heading in this direction.

I wish more people would see these shows for what they are.

This post was edited on 2/28 9:29 PM by tm_nj

 

[Doctor Worm]

Originally posted by mildone:
I mostly stopped watching any of the news networks years ago. They've all turned into a sort of hybrid blend of political propagandists and reality TV actors. It's highly sophisticated idea marketing.

I can remember a time when skepticism and critical thought were commonly used to evaluate just about everything. Nowadays, they are only used to oppose the "opposition's" ideas. Nobody wants to point their skepticism or critical thought at their own ideas.

We've been brilliantly brainwashed into arguing ever more polarizing absolutist dogma (almost entirely comprised of utterly unprovable ********) from one of two camps. And both sides are driven by powerful special interests that couldn't care less what's actually good for the country.

It's pretty depressing.


This post was edited on 2/28 9:12 PM by mildone

Really? You really that that the traditional three plus CNN deal in "polarizing absolutist dogma"? And are driven by "powerful special interests"? Maybe you should consider tuning in again.

By "powerful special interests", do you mean commercial sponsors? I actually think that the networks do a pretty good job of walling that off. Even left-leaning MSNBC takes energy company money, but that doesn't stop MSNBC from blasting their perceived excesses.

 

[ru109]

It's kind of like the movie "wag the dog" The power brokers in the white house make up a war and sell it to the American people and sitting president wins re-election. The media has slant to big stories, Fergeson, Iraq, etc. You can show a video of one street and things are happening and say "riots in the streets" you go down another street and nothing is going on and say "all is quite and peaceful." Fox goes down one street (and yes the are part of the main stream media) and MSNBC, CNN etc. goes down another. It all depends on what you want from your news as to which TV station you will watch.

 

[RUaMoose_rivals]

"I mostly stopped watching any of the news networks years ago."

Not me. I can't wait to get home to watch Greta, Bill and Megyn. Sometimes, if I get home early or at the gym I tune into Neil and/or "the 5" with Eric, Greg, Bob and Dana. Not a fan of Hannity so I'm glad they moved him to 10p since that's usually my bed time. If i'm up late, I gotta have me some Red Eye.


This post was edited on 3/1 7:20 AM by RUaMoose

 

[mildone_rivals]

Originally posted by Doctor Worm:

Originally posted by mildone:
I mostly stopped watching any of the news networks years ago. They've all turned into a sort of hybrid blend of political propagandists and reality TV actors. It's highly sophisticated idea marketing.

I can remember a time when skepticism and critical thought were commonly used to evaluate just about everything. Nowadays, they are only used to oppose the "opposition's" ideas. Nobody wants to point their skepticism or critical thought at their own ideas.

We've been brilliantly brainwashed into arguing ever more polarizing absolutist dogma (almost entirely comprised of utterly unprovable ********) from one of two camps. And both sides are driven by powerful special interests that couldn't care less what's actually good for the country.

It's pretty depressing.


This post was edited on 2/28 9:12 PM by mildone

Really? You really that that the traditional three plus CNN deal in "polarizing absolutist dogma"? And are driven by "powerful special interests"? Maybe you should consider tuning in again.

By "powerful special interests", do you mean commercial sponsors? I actually think that the networks do a pretty good job of walling that off. Even left-leaning MSNBC takes energy company money, but that doesn't stop MSNBC from blasting their perceived excesses.

I don't mean to imply that it's the media that's driven by special interests; I mean partisanship is driven by special interests. Effectively, the entire country is driven by special interests today. The media is just a part of that problem, just like all of us for allowing it to happen.

At one time, the media seemed more willing to highlight the influence of special interests independently of political bias. Not so much anymore. Unadulterated, non-opinionated, fact-based reporting doesn't pay the bills and is rapidly becoming a thing of the past.

Today, the media, with it's 24 hour news-cycle, is focused solely on ratings. Sensationalism, once a dirty word in journalism, has become so commonplace that people no longer recognize that it's taking place. If the media isn't sensationalizing something, then it's telling us what we want to hear (i.e. MSNBC or Fox).

One doesn't have to be particularly good at pattern-recognition to see all this; it's pretty obvious. But it helps if you remove yourself from the feed for a few months - just go cold turkey on all news sources for three months. Then tune back in and rotate channels. It's eye opening, to say the least.