OT: Penn State 700M stadium renovation

PSU_Nut_rivals17625

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Surprising given the current trends in college athletics

Smaller capacities + more amentities is typically the new norm

Are they adding additional suites & club seating, or is it primarily getting it up to ADA standards, widening seats, better concessions, etc ?
Capacity will be reduced but they say it will remain over 100k. Yes the project is to include more premium seating and suites, They will also be improving circulation and widening concourses. Still very few details have been released.
 

Leonard23

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Where things are going. It’s not 1960 anymore. Fans expect amenities or they’ll just watch from home.
Exactly. That's why we need to convert all seats to chairbacks (like UNC did) ASAP, except for the student section, and add suites/club seats to the west side along with some party deck areas, videoboard over the North gate, distributed sound system, wifi or cell service that actually works well, digital POS, and better concessions. We should follow the Mets strategy of having local food vendors with a stand. Give me Tacoria, Stuff yer face, Hansel and Griddle, etc.
 
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Exactly. That's why we need convert all seats to chairbacks (like UNC did) ASAP, except for the student section, and add suites/club seats to the west side along with some party deck areas, videoboard over the North gate, distributed sound system, wifi or cell service that actually works well, digital POS, and better concessions. We should be following the Mets strategy of having local food vendors with a stand.
Agree x 100000

Add in making the outside brick so it doesn’t look like a disjointed Lego set and we’ll be cooking with gas
 
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RU#1fan

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Exactly. That's why we need convert all seats to chairbacks (like UNC did) ASAP, except for the student section, and add suites/club seats to the west side along with some party deck areas, videoboard over the North gate, distributed sound system, wifi or cell service that actually works well, digital POS, and better concessions. We should follow the Mets strategy of having local food vendors with a stand. Give me Tacoria, Stuff yer face, Hansel and Griddle, etc.
Bingo
Get rid of all of the aluminum bench seating in the stadium and go to chairs {w/cup holders) Capacity will be reduced but revenues will be increased as people will pay more for the comfort/experience. Add in enhanced concessions and upgrades in Digital services … homerun !
 

newell138

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state school, I'm sure many are priced out. The goal of higher education is just that, education. The goal is not to price state residents out. Im not commie by any stretch but in this regard, if you can afford 700mm for stadium renovations, then they can certainly afford to make education cheaper for state residents
News flash, not everyone can afford to go to PSU or many other schools. There are other options, some quite affordable and if desired your degree can still read PSU
 
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Leonard23

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Bingo
Get rid of all of the aluminum bench seating in the stadium and go to chairs {w/cup holders) Capacity will be reduced but revenues will be increased as people will pay more for the comfort/experience. Add in enhanced concessions and upgrades in Digital services … homerun !
Capacity would probably drop from 52,454 to 50,000 with all of that (chairbacks, suites/club seats on West side, and party deck), which is fine. I think our current seats are 21" wide (could be wider at 22" or 24"), but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. UNC chairbacks with armrests are 22" wide, so we'd only lose ~2,000-2,500 seats, if we converted the 39,000 seats in the lower bowl (~29,000) and upper deck (~10,000), excluding the student section in the south end zone.
 
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It is a pretty ugly stadium from the outside - a hodgepodge of steel girders & add on stands...probably a good idea to slap a facade on it.

 

ImBadRU

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Pat Kraft is going all out... in every aggressive way imaginable. He is not playing around.
 
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PSU AD says a new stadium is at least $1.3 billion in 2023 dollars, likely much more by they time construction was completed. (Penn State does not want to fall below 100K capacity.)
Additionally, he said surveys of Penn State fans showed a strong connection to Beaver Stadium, erector set look and all.
 

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Bingo
Get rid of all of the aluminum bench seating in the stadium and go to chairs {w/cup holders) Capacity will be reduced but revenues will be increased as people will pay more for the comfort/experience. Add in enhanced concessions and upgrades in Digital services … homerun !
I’d also throw in a retractable roof. This is 2023. That’s the way it’s headed
 
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I hate them so much but that stadium the 3 times I’ve seen is get us destroyed was full at the start of the game and loud. Some think our tailgate game is good lol go there and see how it’s done. It’s very impressive how passionate those AHoles are with the football program.
 

MADHAT1

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Yes he has and don't indulge an ashholish opinion. SMDH at some of our so-called fans.
making like rumors are facts and misinformation should be shared are the trademarks of assholism .

But back to the op, though I dislike the Nit fanbase for pretending something didn't happen I have to commend them for making sure their Football Program gets what it needs to suceed

Rutgers when it started to plan expanding Rutgers Stadium had the local media against it and some of the Rutgers fanbase didn't think it was necessary and/or to expensive.
Programs like PSU talk about improving their program and the cash starts flowing in while their fanbase loves seeing improvements made no matter the cost.
 
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It is a pretty ugly stadium from the outside - a hodgepodge of steel girders & add on stands...probably a good idea to slap a facade on it.

I agree it is ugly and a dump but I prefer them not waste money on a façade. Even if they put brick around the entire thing is still going to look like a Frankenstein monstrosity.
 
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I hate them so much but that stadium the 3 times I’ve seen is get us destroyed was full at the start of the game and loud. Some think our tailgate game is good lol go there and see how it’s done. It’s very impressive how passionate those AHoles are with the football program.
That passion is what allowed that scandal to happen, though.
 

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It is a pretty ugly stadium from the outside - a hodgepodge of steel girders & add on stands...probably a good idea to slap a facade on it.

When I see pictures of Beaver stadium I’m glad I’m not there when 100k fans are jumping up and down. Did the engineer who calculated structural margin of safety go to Pitt?
 
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RUTGERS95

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Never gonna happen. There's a reason MetLife and Citi Field scrapped their plans for a retractable roof. The costs are astronomical.
that's not why and the costs are actually less than you'd think. The giants said no as they fell the winds and cold give them an advantage. that was a direct quote
 
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RUTGERS95

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News flash, not everyone can afford to go to PSU or many other schools. There are other options, some quite affordable and if desired your degree can still read PSU
slowdown and don't get your panties in a bunch. Anyone who thinks 700mm for a stadium when tuition and college costs keep rising needs their head examined. The state responsibility is to educate it's citizens first, not afford a new looking stadium that is quite fine at the present
 

MADHAT1

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Wow, from this article ( link below)
>Penn State's Board of Trustees approved a $70 million bond sale to fund the project's first phase. Penn State said it would finance the remainder of the proposed $700 budget through fundraising, naming opportunities, premium seating and other options. Kraft said the renovations would create new revenue streams to help pay for the project.

In addition, Penn State is open to receiving separate state funding for the Beaver Stadium renovations. The university has said that no tuition or state appropriations money will be used to pay for the project. <
https://www.si.com/college/pennstat...ses-details-of-beaver-stadium-renovation-plan
 

ImBadRU

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Other than sports, PSU is in decline as an institution. The waste and mismanagement has been enormous. I really think faculty here need to unionize because the BOT's priorities are shall we say askew.
 
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PSU_Nut_rivals17625

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slowdown and don't get your panties in a bunch. Anyone who thinks 700mm for a stadium when tuition and college costs keep rising needs their head examined. The state responsibility is to educate it's citizens first, not afford a new looking stadium that is quite fine at the present
Then shouldn't you be advocating for Rutgers to discontinue sports? If you think a self funded athletic project is wrong how do you justify Rutgers athletics who loses money and takes money directly from students via fees? If you ever been to Beaver Stadium you understand this is not a frivolous renovation. Calling it a dump is being polite. The renovation should have been done 15 years ago. These are actually needed to keep the stadium usable.
 
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Penn State, Temple and U of Pittsburgh are what is strangely categorized by Pennsylvania as “state-related.,” not fully state schools. (PA has a separately system of state colleges/universities such as slippery Rock, Stroudsburg, etc). Anyway, state support for higher education has dwindled in PA. State aid to Penn State provides just about 11 percent of the university’s budget.
PSU’s tuition is more tha $3,000 more for in-state students than Rutgers students pay.

Those average salaries for Rutgers students 10 years after graduation are horrible. Not sure what the majors were, but $65 G is horrible. Guess some of those majors aren't worth the cost.
 

RUScrew85

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Yes he has and don't indulge an ashholish opinion. SMDH at some of our so-called fans.

Is there a link somewhere easily findable? Because I was disappointed in the one time I saw him and another answer very few questions years ago.
 

bigmatt718

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Those average salaries for Rutgers students 10 years after graduation are horrible. Not sure what the majors were, but $65 G is horrible. Guess some of those majors aren't worth the cost.
Many of those majors are not worth the cost. The majors that actually are worth the ROI are engineering and most STEM majors, business majors like accounting/finance/supply chain and anything pre-med (although that can be considered STEM as well). That's about it.
 
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MADHAT1

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Damm now Rutgers courses are the issue along with it's FB Coach
Penn St's ability to put big bucks into it's stadium has become a non factor.

As for Schiano’s role in the Penn State scandal, it is likely impossible to learn anything more about what Schiano did or did not know at Penn State, as McQueary’s account of Schiano’s knowledge was entirely hearsay and the person who allegedly told him denied saying what McQueary claimed .
Court documents bring up Schiano but only as a someone said he knew and without proof of that.
Schiano was never called to give Grand Jury testimony, maybe because he couldn't provide evidence due to the fact he didn't know what Sandusky did.

Small minded people keep on trying to prove Schiano knew, but the evidence isn't there no matter how hard they look and you can bet when Penn State was being investigated over allowing Sandusky to roam free, Greg Schiano wasn't ignored , there was just nothing to investigate over his role or knowledge of what Sandusky did .

Place Schiano knowing in the misinformation category that some people feel spreading helps their agenda and not even caring if there's an once of truth in it.
 

RU#1fan

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Capacity would probably drop from 52,454 to 50,000 with all of that (chairbacks, suites/club seats on West side, and party deck), which is fine. I think our current seats are 21" wide (could be wider at 22" or 24"), but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. UNC chairbacks with armrests are 22" wide, so we'd only lose ~2,000-2,500 seats, if we converted the 39,000 seats in the lower bowl (~29,000) and upper deck (~10,000), excluding the student section in the south end zone.
Yes.. full fold down chairs with at least 22” or even 24” wide.
Losing 3,000 or 4,000 capacity does not matter.
The enhancement will be pay dividends in the future.
 

RUTGERS95

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As for Schiano’s role in the Penn State scandal, it is likely impossible to learn anything more about what Schiano did or did not know at Penn State, as McQueary’s account of Schiano’s knowledge was entirely hearsay and the person who allegedly told him denied saying what McQueary claimed .
Court documents bring up Schiano but only as a someone said he knew and without proof of that.
Schiano was never called to give Grand Jury testimony, maybe because he couldn't provide evidence due to the fact he didn't know what Sandusky did.

Small minded people keep on trying to prove Schiano knew, but the evidence isn't there no matter how hard they look and you can bet when Penn State was being investigated over allowing Sandusky to roam free, Greg Schiano wasn't ignored , there was just nothing to investigate over his role or knowledge of what Sandusky did .

Place Schiano knowing in the misinformation category that some people feel spreading helps their agenda and not even caring if there's an once of truth in it.
I'd like to think otherwise but 'where there is smoke there is fire' usually rings true. I'd love to believe that personal career goals didn't superce moral obligations but we've seen that's not the case too many times.

who knows, I don't but no way it was only just a few who knew or heard something
 

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Many of those majors are not worth the cost. The majors that actually are worth the ROI are engineering and most STEM majors, business majors like accounting/finance/supply chain and anything pre-med (although that can be considered STEM as well). That's about it.
I have one son that has a Civil Engineering degree and the other has a Finance degree, and yes, so many degrees don't translate to much money in the real world.
 
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