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OT: Rutgers Alum Imprisoned in Iran

DJ Spanky

DJ Spanky

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Hey, it's the country of his birth, he chose to go back there, he even served in their military. This is just something I'm not gonna get too worked up about.
 
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mdk02

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Another hostage for use in renegotiating the nuke deal. Also sends a warning to anyone who's considering competing against and of the Revolutionary Guard monopolies operating in the country.
 
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kennyschiano

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such a messed up place - was once "persia" and a land of culture and history - and then the revolution destroyed all that.

why do people go back? because they still consider it their home and long for what it once was.
 
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religion ruins all social, technological and moral progress. Particularly true off the monotheistic ones that are more intolerant of alternative beliefs (Christianity, Islam, Judaism).
 
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MrsScrew_rivals32693

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"He became a U.S. citizen in 1993. One reason, he later wrote, was to make it easier to get grants and scholarships to pay for his education, and so he could travel without the hassles of an Iranian passport. A year later, in 1994, he returned to Iran to fulfill his compulsory military duty."

so, if I understand this correctly, he became a citizen to have access to American money and to not have to be hassled as an Iranian yet, after he renounced his Iranian citizenship (the only way you can become an American citizen is to renounce the country you came from and pledge allegiance to America) he went back for compulsory military duty? if you are no longer a citizen how is this compulsory?
 
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Sounds like he may have offered himself up as a bargaining chip, not that it it's needed with Obama negotiating. He should have read The Art of the Deal first.
 
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MrsScrew said:
so, if I understand this correctly, he became a citizen to have access to American money and to not have to be hassled as an Iranian yet, after he renounced his Iranian citizenship (the only way you can become an American citizen is to renounce the country you came from and pledge allegiance to America) he went back for compulsory military duty? if you are no longer a citizen how is this compulsory?
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That's not true. You can have dual citizenship as well for certain countries (eg. i'm a dual US and Australian citizen). Only downside (apparently you can even become President so that's not a downside eg. Obama ;)) is you won't be eligible for a lot of defense jobs that require top level security clearances, but who cares.
 
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My parents are both dual citizens of USA and Iran. No one had to renounce anything.

Iran is always on very high alert against espionage from Americans, but particularly Iranian Americans, because so many have served the United States in this regard.
 
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MrsScrew_rivals32693

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I get that there is dual citizenship between countries but if you look at the oath you take when becoming a citizen you do say you renounce. there are a number of countries that don't recognize you as a citizen any longer after you naturalize in the US. I'm actually kind of shocked that Iran is not one of them.
 
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ruhudsonfan

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MrsScrew said:
I get that there is dual citizenship between countries but if you look at the oath you take when becoming a citizen you do say you renounce. there are a number of countries that don't recognize you as a citizen any longer after you naturalize in the US. I'm actually kind of shocked that Iran is not one of them.
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The oath is not the law and has never been enforced that way.

Immediately upon swearing the oath, you are a dual citizen. It is then up to you (or in the case of a handful of countries it happens automatically) to renounce your original citizenship--if you so choose. Nothing in the US Code forces you to formally give up your citizenship to your home country. Taking it a step further, you don't need to relinquish your home country passport either. However, you are required to travel internationally with your US passport on your person.

Many people do it give it up as a means of getting out of mandatory military service in their homeland.
 
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Blitz:

WTF are you talking about? One of the stupidest statements I've read....
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Indeed. The people who condemn Christianity and Judaism as "impediments" to technological and moral progress - while they are living in most technologically advanced and freest nations in history - as produced by Judaeo-Christian culture - are people with something to hide. That's why they resent any genuine moral tones. They should have been born in some tribe in New Guinea - would be a better fit
 
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Monotheistic religions are neither suppressive or encouraging of science in and of themselves. It's what the people in power do with it that matters. Islam was the center of science and research for hundreds of years until the Mongols trashed everything, now they are a back water. Modern evangicals in the U.S. Appear to be fighting a war against science but then you have the Pope who admits to evolution, global warming, etc
 
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Blitz8RUCrazy said:
That's not true. You can have dual citizenship as well for certain countries (eg. i'm a dual US and Australian citizen). Only downside (apparently you can even become President so that's not a downside eg. Obama ;)) is you won't be eligible for a lot of defense jobs that require top level security clearances, but who cares.
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Correct, I know several people with two passports.
 
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If you're the citizen of country X, and you immigrate to the US, in most situations you do not have to renounce your citizenship of country X. If however you are a US national and apply for citizenship in country X, you may lose your citizenship, depending on the circumstances. There's a lot more gray area than you might imagine.
 
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RutgersRaRa

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Blitz8RUCrazy said:
religion ruins all social, technological and moral progress. Particularly true off the monotheistic ones that are more intolerant of alternative beliefs (Christianity, Islam, Judaism).
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Blitz, you should know better than this--there are so many problems with this thesis, both logical and ideological, that it would take days to unfold it. Religion and spirituality don't impede progress; intolerance, which you mentioned, is a bigger problem. If one's beliefs, whether spiritual or atheistic, make them intolerant, the intolerance is the problem, not how they got there. Atheistic douchebags are just as obnoxious and annoying as religious douchebags, they just use different words to convey their poor social skills.

And the notion that religions "ruins" these things is one of those all-too-encompassing statements, as though someone with the faith of one of those three religions could not possibly contribute to scientific advancement or maintain a sense of morality, by which I include kindness, thoughtfulness, generosity, etc. You may not be a fan of those three faiths, or faith at all, and I don't care because it's your life to live. But let's not go overboard here with self-aggrandizing platitudes. I've been there, done that, and it's seriously unattractive. And wrong.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers

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KingHigh said:
My parents are both dual citizens of USA and Iran. No one had to renounce anything.

Iran is always on very high alert against espionage from Americans, but particularly Iranian Americans, because so many have served the United States in this regard.
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yet we are supposed to have negotiations with these people in good faith.
 
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