System is so screwed up. If you are involved in a crime with a gun you should get 20 years minimum. I’m sure this isn’t the frost arrest for any of the 4. Maybe we should get back to locking criminals up.
OT: Shooting Near Rutgers
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We don't know that for sure. Only one of the four is charged with actually shooting. We know that four were arrested, and two were released; we don't know whether the shooter is one of those released. (The others were charged with offenses like "armed riot.") https://www.tapinto.net/towns/new-b...-with-easton-avenue-shooting-in-new-brunswick
shooter not released
Wait wait wait… so someone shows up to a house party, gets told that they can’t come in, shows a gun and they are let in??? How the f is that anything remotely close to normal. No sh*t the party clears out.
Im not a lawyer but gaining admittance to a residence by brandishing a weapon would probably fall under some category of criminality, would it not??!
I'm just the messenger. The kids are afraid to report anything. When you get a little deep out on Guilden or Delafield, sometimes there are houses of "townies". The students feel if they get the cops involved, they will then be targeted. If they happen to be in the same group/fraternity, Rutgers will then suspend the group for having an unregistered event.
Back in 2017, a student was shot on a porch at 120 Hamilton Street. ( between College and Easton ) Guy wan't being let into a party. He pulled a gun and shot. The shooter got bumped and a friend of mine took a bullet to the shoulder. He was/is fine and has a cool story to tell. Doesn't change the fact that it happened though. I don't believe an arrest was made. Shooter fled on foot.
My sister was being harassed by punks in her California neighborhood. they threatened her and her dog. Luckily, she has friends in the Hells Angels. They paid a visit to the neighborhood and now those same punks smile and wave to her. Cops can't be everywhere. Cops don't prevent crime, they react to it. Not saying that is their fault.
Have not finished reading the rest of the thread yet but guarantee the Jersey City Attorney, who is more dense than cinderblock will be defending this
The argument was they were banned. That was clearly false. I appreciate your concession that you could provide no evidence to the contrary.
Well, if Bubble Bath Girl says so.
I mean, not like a quick glance at his profile would say, compare the FBI with a certain 1930s storm troopers or insist the Capitol Police were in on a plot against the beloved "hostages." But those are the law enforcement that are subject to criticism.
It would have taken you reading the link to what actually happened to understand- but hey- maybe pass on to Gov Christie your thoughts if you don't like the bail reform he signed.
Otherwise sorry the NB shooting wasn't reported on Breitbart or Hannity so you could have been understood.
The only evidence you need is the professional actions of the police got the job done. Cop haters are cop haters whether the police do their job correctly or not.
I think @jerseybird has the better of the argument as a whole. You were criticizing the NB police for not doing enough to catch the perps. Apparently they have. So at this point it's academic whether they should have chased.As for whether they are technically banned from chasing, you're right that they are not. OTOH, it was quite reasonable for them to decide not to chase under the circumstances so it really doesn't matter whether they were legally barred or not.
My main point throughout has been that people saying the laws of the state/city/AG are making life too hard or unfair on the police, at least in the case of the NBPD, is false. I'm glad they caught them. But the other issue is that if they were focused better on that area, which has been a hot spot since I lived around the corner during GS 1.0, the entire incident could have been prevented.
I agree. For example, some people hate the police so much they call those who viciously assault them and end up in prison "hostages." Terrible.
You know there were lots of very fine people on both sides.
Resurfacing this thread in light of a carjacking on campus. When are RUPD and NBPD going to start patrolling more and in greater numbers to deter these crimes? Need many more foot, car, and bike patrols surrounding campus.
Here's a link for folks who, like me, don't wish to give NJ.COM any business:
The targum article says "presented a weapon" but doesn't specify what type of weapon. In any event, people need to be alert and prepared. Don't go to and enter your car if there are people lurking around nearby. Don't enter your car and sit around in it unless it's daytime and there are lots of people around. At night, always have your key ready so you can quickly get in and drive away immediately.
This victim was unharmed. But not all carjackings work out that way. It's best to give up the car quickly and without comment. Under NJ laws, even if you are legally armed, it's still best to give up the car quickly and without comment.
Especially of the car being jacked is a Cybertruck. You will be much better off without it!
And I did not intend to make light of the situation, but IIRC, that is on the edge of where the "campus" ends, the lot behind the Barn. In addition to the RUPD, there are a number of security officers that are walking around the campus. It's New Brunswick, and crimes will happen. Fortunately, nobody was injured.
It is concerning. I lived right around the block from there as a student. Ton of students living off-campus in those adjacent blocks.
Because it is the summer, the student center and College Avenue gym closed well before the carjacking, which was at 11:25 p.m. on a Friday night. The victim's car may well have been the only one in the parking lot and a crime like this takes only a moment. Of course there needs to be better security, but there are limits to what can be done short of stationing a police car in every lot.
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When you were at Camden, did you ever have a problem with crime, or know anyone who did?
Back in the mid 1990's I toured RU Camden law school. It was around sunset, and I asked the postal carrier if the area was safe--his reply was "get out of here before dark."
We also visited Cal about 6 years ago. The area around Berkeley had a similar vibe/element to the New Brunswick area. I think I read somewhere recently that there has been a crime issue near/on that campus. I knew several students at Seton Hall Law who had their cars vandalized, broken into or stolen. It's life on a campus in an urban area. Be aware of your surroundings.
Not being sarcastic here but I do believe they probably have way less security in the summer, fair or not. Who would be over there at that time in August?
I dunno, I spent a summer taking classes and working down there between my junior and senior years. There were many people like me there doing the same thing. Would go out to Patty's, Scarlet Pub, etc. on the weekends. Not saying that it was as crowded as it normally would be, but there were people around.
I lived in NB one summer as well for work. There would definitely be people on Easton Ave late night. Behind the student center, not so sure. Idk how many people go to Olive Branch in the summer- that's the only reason I could conceive being in that lot.
There should be a ton of cameras to catch the guy though...hopefully they do.
I personally agree with both posts. We have a few in my area and when they drive by, most people’s reactions are pretty funny, and not at all complimentary. It’s definitely attention grabbing. Just not positive attention.
But each to their own.
Agreed. The police can’t be everywhere all the time. So people have to exercise some vigilance and make good decisions about parking whenever possible.
Carjackers are not without creativity, so even when driving, people need to be aware of their surroundings and not fall for various carjacking schemes, e.g. being flagged down by “stranded motorists” in remote locations, or being pulled over by unmarked cars that aren’t cops, etc. And technology is used for stealing or carjacking high value cars; employing gps trackers to follow you until you find yourself in a remote location.
A web search will show a bunch of modern carjacking and appropriate responses to avoid becoming a victim.
I took night classes one summer in Camden for grad school around 2004. Had to stop about 10 minutes outside of the city to grab something to eat or drink. Everything was shut down after 5 or so. I didn’t have any issues while there but definitely didn’t stray far from campus
I lived in NB for 3 summers and there were always noticeably fewer people and patrols. Yes, people need to be more vigilant and crimes will occur, but it doesn't seem like there are enough patrols.
We had evening classes ending as late as 10:30. I never heard of anyone having a problem, but keep in mind that the students were leaving as a group. There is a shuttle to the parking lots. Some students took the high-speed line from the station two blocks away -- I never heard of a problem. This might be because the area was patrolled by the Rutgers police, the county police (who function as the Camden police), the Port Authority police (because the campus is adjacent to the Ben Franklin Bridge) and the Camden community college police). My impression was that the campus police were extremely willing to challenge anyone who came on campus who they thought might not have a good reason for being there.
There is a huge exception: some years ago there was a rapist preying on women near the campus. As I remarked on another thread, this individual made the mistake of walking into a Vietnamese-owned grocery, grabbing the proprietor's wife and threatening bodily harm. The proprietor pulled out a gun from under the cash register and shot the guy dead to the regret of no one.
There have been crimes against students living in the dorms. These are occasionally street crimes, but they are at least as often crimes that occur when students visit liquor stores or the nearby bar.
I should also mention that it is impossible to enter the law school without a card swipe or without dealing with a security guard. But I do not know if this is true of all campus buildings -- obviously, it should be.
I don't think there's any greater crime problem at Camden than at the other campuses - by a fluke of geography, the campus is pretty well isolated from the bad neighborhoods in the city.
I haven't been on the Cal campus for a long time. In my experience, one has to be careful there, but no more than in any other urban environmenta.